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Re: U.S President: Donald Trump

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35893741)

Obama failed to carry out his 'red line' threat.

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They have a disagreement on a single policy; get real for goodness sake! A job awaits both of you at CNN.

Obama followed Trumps advice if you want to be picky .Trump has done a complete 180 on Syria which is reason enough to suggest that he used the chemical attack to deflect from his problems at home and try to increase his popularity.

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Trump has done a u-turn over his previous isolationist, stay of Syria and don't provoke Russia policy but we should welcome it. There is only so much we should tolerate and gas attacks are a step too far.

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35893752)

Trump has done a complete 180 on Syria which is reason enough to suggest that he used the chemical attack to deflect from his problems at home and try to increase his popularity.

Nonsense. Have you never changed your mind when confronted by stark reality?

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I don't see this as a change of 'policy' or 'direction', I see it as one response to one situation. The rest remains to be seen.

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35893741)

Obama failed to carry out his 'red line' threat.

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They have a disagreement on a single policy; get real for goodness sake! A job awaits both of you at CNN.

Because Obama went for Congressional approval, and was told he wouldn't get it.

Trump didn't go to Congress.

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35893757)

Nonsense. Have you never changed your mind when confronted by stark reality?

So, Trump was wrong when he criticised Obama for wanting to bomb Syria, then, in response to chemical weapons use?

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35893745)

Nice try but Obamacare is not successful, as already pointed out several times.

As for the rest of your post. Obama did not need Congressional approval to begin with, back in 2013, after Assad first used chemical weapons against his own people, he could have gone down the route Trump just has by going down the War Powers Resolution Act of 1973, which so long as the current sitting President notifies congress of his committed military action within 48 hours, the President does not need Congressional Authorization.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Resolution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_S...missile_strike

The bottom line is as history recalls, In 2012, Obama drew a line warning Assad of using chemical weapons, Assad crossed it, with a chemical attack in 2013 and Obama, the US and pretty much the rest of the world did nothing, including ourselves.

You keep repeating anecdotal evidence from your US friends is not the same thing as showing a number of times that Obamacare was not successful.

I have quite a lot of American friends, and my brother-in-law has lived there for the past 5-6 years, and he and a majority of his friends (and quite a lot of my US friends) think it is a success, because 10 million more people are covered.

They explain the price rises as normal (as I showed earlier for the bush Presidency), and whilst our anecdotal evidence is personal experience, 10 million additional people covered is cold hard fact.

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35893752)

LOL. Obama did NOT follow citizen Trump's advice at all, that is just plain daft but not surprising coming from you and btw he has no problems at home. Supreme Court pick now confirmed.

You know, I find it reprehensible that there is still people like you, who it does not matter that an evil ass dictator, gassed his own people, but not just people, children and babies, it was only the other day you was moaning Trump had no plan and now he had a plan all along and just did not broadcast it, followed his plan and took decisive action fast and you're still whinging, damned if he did nothing, but still damned now he has done something, because the crux of your problem is, that it's still Trump.

You know, even Mr K and Damien are honest enough to admit that what Trump did was welcomed, but oh no, not narrow minded martyh and to some degree, I have to include Hugh also here. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35893760)

Because Obama went for Congressional approval, and was told he wouldn't get it.

Trump didn't go to Congress.

As pointed out above. Obama did not need to and nor did Trump.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

You keep repeating anecdotal evidence from your US friends is not the same thing as showing a number of times that Obamacare was not successful.

Nothing anecdotal about it and I will keep on saying it, Obamacare is not successful.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

I have quite a lot of American friends, and my brother-in-law has lived there for the past 5-6 years, and he and a majority of his friends (and quite a lot of my US friends) think it is a success, because 10 million more people are covered.

They explain the price rises as normal (as I showed earlier for the bush Presidency), and whilst our anecdotal evidence is personal experience, 10 million additional people covered is cold hard fact.

I could not careless if one billion additional people were covered, Obamacare is still not successful. You really think a system that puts profit first before wellbeing, is still good?

And there is nothing 'normal' about big massive rises. I don't think so.

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35893745)

As for the rest of your post. Obama did not need Congressional approval to begin with, back in 2013, after Assad first used chemical weapons against his own people, he could have gone down the route Trump just has by going down the War Powers Resolution Act of 1973, which so long as the current sitting President notifies congress of his committed military action within 48 hours, the President does not need Congressional Authorization.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Resolution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_S...missile_strike

The bottom line is as history recalls, In 2012, Obama drew a line warning Assad of using chemical weapons, Assad crossed it, with a chemical attack in 2013 and Obama, the US and pretty much the rest of the world did nothing, including ourselves.

Thanks, Mick. I wonder why Obama didn't go down Trump's route and I genuinely don't know the answer to that question.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35893797)

Thanks, Mick. I wonder why Obama didn't go down Trump's route and I genuinely don't know the answer to that question.

I do, Obama tried to get International back up, he asked us but there just was not enough appetite at the time and our parliament voted military action down, remember Daves response, 'I get that and the government will act accordingly.'

It was at a time when people were still reeling about the illegal Iraq war. I don't think Obama wanted to be seen to go to war with Assad and or provoke the Russians alone. In all honesty I just don't think he had the balls because you can't draw a line and then not act when it is crossed and I really don't think he did not act because he was more concerned with what billionaire citizen Trump was saying on Twitter at the time.

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35893790)

You know Mick if you actually ever bothered reading a post properly you would have a bit more respect in this forum.I have not said if i approve or not with Trumps actions SO STOP JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS.Trump repeatedly Twitted that Obama should not get involved in Syria after the last gas attack ,He didn't think it right that America got involved after the last gas attack so what has changed ?

I wouldn't trust trump to do what was right ,i only trust him to what is right for him

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35893757)

Nonsense. Have you never changed your mind when confronted by stark reality?

So after the last gas attack why was he so adamant that the USA shouldn't get involved ?

For the record he should have changed his mind i have no problem with that it's his motives i don't trust

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35893755)

There is only so much we should tolerate and gas attacks are a step too far.

Yes they are i agree so why was Trump so adamant that the USA shouldn't get involved after the last gas attack?

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35893790)

Nothing anecdotal about it and I will keep on saying it, Obamacare is not successful.

I could not careless if one billion additional people were covered, Obamacare is still not successful. You really think a system that puts profit first before wellbeing, is still good?

And there is nothing 'normal' about big massive rises. I don't think so.

Well that says everything we need to know about you and your disgusting attitude to other people REPREHENSIBLE

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If was at all possible Trump has managed to make matters worse in Syria .He needs to take a backseat he is not experienced enough to deal with the situation

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Russia has said it is suspending a deal with the US to prevent mid-air collisions over Syria in response to US air strikes on a Syrian air base.

The Russian Foreign Ministry said following Donald Trump's decision to fire 59 cruise missiles at a military target in Syria on Thursday, Moscow was suspending a memorandum with the US that prevented incidents and ensured flight safety.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7671631.html

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35893831)

You know Mick if you actually ever bothered reading a post properly you would have a bit more respect in this forum.

I am not here to win friends thanks, I have my own. This is a discussion forum, not a playground. However, for the record. I did read your post properly.

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Originally Posted by martyh

I have not said if i approve or not with Trumps actions SO STOP JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS.Trump repeatedly Twitted that Obama should not get involved in Syria after the last gas attack ,He didn't think it right that America got involved after the last gas attack so what has changed ?

When you come out with crap in your earlier post today, that he used the gas attack on kids to make himself popular, one can only conclude you're being super negative as always and certainly not approving.

Either way, is it not blindingly obvious what's changed since Citizen Trump > President of the United States Trump ?

When he made those comments on twitter in 2013, that was citizen Trump speaking, now that he is the President of the U.S, the spot light is now on him, he is wearing the Leaders shoes, so now he is in a responsible position to act and he said it himself, seeing those images of babies choking, was a sure fire thing that he was not going to make the same mistake Obama made by doing nothing, regardless of the fact Trump had tweeted for him to do nothing in 2013, It was now no longer acceptable to just do nothing. I think you're being really naive if you think Obama took any heed of what Citizen Trump was tweeting.

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Originally Posted by martyh

I wouldn't trust trump to do what was right

Well more than half the Worlds leaders disagreed with you and I would say their opinions mattered more, over your negative ones.

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Originally Posted by marty

Well that says everything we need to know about you and your disgusting attitude to other people

No it doesn't. Well done, you totally misread and took what you bolded of my quote and took it out of context, this cherry pickitis is very contagious with some folk on here. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by martyh

If was at all possible Trump has managed to make matters worse in Syria .He needs to take a backseat he is not experienced enough to deal with the situation

Says the voice of experience. NOT. :dozey:

Again, half the worlds leaders would say it's you who lacks foreign policy experience, they feel the U.S response was necessary and appropriate.

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Well done DT... about time some one took the correct response against Asad.

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*sigh* how about everyone stops bickering.

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IF DT didn't get congress approval for the bombing, then surely he has broken the golden rule.

Yes, what he did was right. BUT, this will provoke an evil war with Russia, China and North Korea.
And DT will want to do it his way.

Even though you are a President, you still have to abide by certain rules.

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Which golden rule are you on about Arthur?

He didn't need congressional approval, Russia was informed and it has nothing to do with China or North Korea.

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35893925)

If you think the US, China, North Korea and Russia are all going to war, you're insane. That comment is up there with the most absurd things you consistently come out with. You also appear to have made the assumption that North Korea and China are somewhat strong allies still, they're not. If North Korea ends up in War, it'll be against China long before the US and that's just for tactical reasons.