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Well, the Disney website says it's not exclusive to Sky. So there you have it. Only the integration is exclusive. Disney will be wanting to get their streamer on as many devices as possible, and we know that VM is interested, because they have been in talks with the company.

https://whatsondisneyplus.com/virgin...he-uk-ireland/

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That’s not an official Disney site - it’s a fan website.

https://whatsondisneyplus.com/team/

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That's a fansite who are only quoting what was apparently told to another site by Virgin... it's not a specific comment by Disney.

Are Virgin and Disney in talks? I would expect they would have given their long standing carriage agreements but clearly 'non-exclusivity' did not extend to a day one launch otherwise Virgin and BT would have been right there.

In the short term I would still look at the pattern across Europe where Disney have launched with specific partners - it's fairly normal practice for a product like Disney+ to scale by initially using exclusive launch partners (who may pay premiums for that privilege and likely also have to promote it like O2 are doing already)... the UK is likely no different yet I'm sure at some point Disney will extend to other platforms... I just would not rely on anything until an official release hits (or does not).

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Question .how have i been offered it via my smart TV .not that I want it !

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Has anyone else had e mails on virgin address saying that you need to amend/change password followed up with your payment has not gone through..Guess it's a data breach on virgin ,as while I have a Netflix account it was not setup or run via my virgin email. Only happened after internet was down for about two days !!

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Be very wary. That sounds like a phishing attempt.

Some of the current ones are listed here:
https://community.virginmedia.com/t5...ernet_Security

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Tbf you did mate yes, i'm sure SKY have their paws in O2 too i believe SKY Mobile runs on o2 maybe that's how O2 got the D+ deal.

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The Walt Disney Company has just announced that its streaming service Disney + has more than 50 million subscribers.

https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/08/di...m-subscribers/

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It's doing really well for a fairly new service especially as Netflix has 160million subscribers and they've been around for longer.
One feels this time next year Disney+ could surpass 200million subs.

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Disney is doing very well right now because you can access a huge wedge of its back catalogue for a tiny fraction of the cost of buying or even renting DVDs or Blu Rays. It does however appear to have made a strategic error, with little evidence of original serials in production. Netflix, (partly because it was forced to, due to not starting with a load of stuff it already owned) has commissioned an absolute barrow load of original content. Almost every week you have a new reason to keep subscribing. Disney is going to have to take this seriously. This time next year I won’t be paying £60 just to retain access to a video library where the family has already watched everything worth watching.

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Three scripted serials released since the service launched 5 months ago, for a total of just 28 30-40 minute episodes. It’s not brilliant - barely more than one full season of one broadcast series.

Granted there’s more scripted stuff in the pipeline, but based on the info in the wiki it’s not going to amount to more than 100 episodes, and based on their present form they’re going for 30-40 minute running times rather than the hour long format that’s more common in made-to-stream content.

Disney above everyone else has the financial firepower to absolutely ace this, but they do seem to be resting on brand power to draw people in. I maintain that the only thing that truly makes the difference between competing streamers all charging £5-£10 a month is the quantity and quality of their original commissions. (Which is why I’m ignoring the generally poor quality, shrill, studio based (or worse, handycam fly on the wall format) unscripted rubbish all the streamers are equally guilty of).

By this time next year Disney is going to have to be doing better than this.

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This was why I said I’d probably cancel the service , we have Sky TV so have either seen a large amount of the Disney back catalogue or are not interested in some of it.

It’s going to have to spend a lot more on original content to keep us paying month to month.

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thanks just put it to spam as soon as l saw it.As l said Netflix account is not via virgin and was,/ is set up on an other e mail site in fact it's all l use it for ! lose track of e mail address some times as l try to use a different one of each product l use.

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How many outside of the Internet forums really care that much about 4K and HDR , I speak to many friends who have 4K TVs and the majority haven't a clue what they are watching and always state they find HD good enough. Aside from the AV enthusiasts many either have set sizes they can't tell much difference or find the HD feeds perfectly adequate.

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It eventually will get updated to add 4k and hdr.

Even the menu on Q looks poor as it's either 720p or lower just now.

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It really does depend on the size of your TV. HD is acceptable on my set, but UHD is superb.

I no longer watch anything in Standard Definition (except the BBC regional news, for which we have no choice) as the picture on SD channels is far from good.

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Not much choice there currently as every time the main news bulletin finishes one has to change channels again to watch the regional bulletin.

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I can't believe the BBC still hasn't sorted this for the English regions. Wales, Scotland and NI all got complete HD variants years ago.

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l suspect now it will be even lower down on their list of priorities which is not surprising given the current circumstances but it would be nice sometime in the next couple of years to get it.

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I think the cost for satellite provision will be the biggest £ hurdle for regional BBC1 HD variations. Cable and Freeview don't need to carry them all simultaneously, satellite does.

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My tv is HDR but 2k i believe but even 2k looks stuuning on a 43inch set.

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thanks for posting this wondered what people were moaning about ! ;)

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I have to agree with that, sport in particular is far better in HD than SD.

Having said that, I have friends (who obviously need to visit Specsavers) who watch SD as they can't see any difference!

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It is not so noticeable on smaller screens. I think also some people do not have the picture settings properly set up.

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I still wonder how many think having an HD capable screen is them watching it in HD. Some won't realise they need to tune to an HD channel too. HD swaps and increasingly capable First Time Set-up routines will have decreased this but some just aren't bother, or familiar, with what's available/possible on the equipment they own. And HD scaling technology has improved too, so some SD channels look surprisingly good.

Relatives of mine have an LCD TV from the era where digital tuners weren't standard and it's 26". They aren't bothered that much by size (neither am I for that matter) but only with this lockdown have they really looked outside their usual limited channel choice. They've had an HD Freesat box since before switchover (I advised it, they probably would've had an SD Freeview box otherwise) and barely watched anything outside BBC and STV. Now they are looking further down the channel guide and using the streaming box I fortunately gave them a year or so ago, so they've had plenty more to distract them in these difficult times. I'm getting off topic here...I still don't think they are fussed with HD but the apps, now they are now finally exploring, are much more important. They haven't got duff eyesight, as they've commented on the picture quality on our TV when they've visited (in the past), they just haven't been bothered about seeking it out at home.

Our newest TV was excellent with default settings out of the box. I'd imagine it doesn't occur to many that they may need to.

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Actually, i think that maybe some people have unknowingly not set up their cable box and tv.

They have left it as delivered and thus an interlaced picture is automatically chosen from the box and i have found this to be better for SD TV.

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You can now subscribe to Disney+ through SKY direct https://www.sky.com/shop/tv/disney-plus

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Comcast launches an early preview of the premium tier of the NBCUniversal streaming service Peacock.

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2020...eid=3598503789

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From your link For the USA commercial channels, that's amazing - it's normally around 15-20 minutes per hour.

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Netflix is now worth more than Disney. https://news.newonnetflix.info/news/..._DdwlVDItmt3_g

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UK is not far behind now. On UK tv you oftenhave three four-minute breaks in programme billed as 60 minutes - so 12 minutes - and there are also 3-4 minutes at the end of the programme too.

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It's a brilliant idea and I hope it catches on.

I really like their tiers:

1. Limited content for free and with ads
2. Full content with ads for $5. For Comcast customers (and hopefully Sky customers too) its free.
3. Full content without ads for $10.

And I hope we get them here.

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I have no doubt that we will. Hopefully, though, the service will not be exclusive to Sky.

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Consider me one of the ones who has some doubt!

I know it was originally announced that it would come to Sky's platforms but the fact they have gone quiet about it is rather telling - and having seen what it is, I can understand why...

It looks very slick and I think it may quietly pay off for NBCU but it really does appear to very much be a solution for the US market at present, addressing doubts in both pay tv and broadcast in the States as well as the ad sales market.

(Not forgetting Peacock is built from the foundations of NowTV and will likely pull in elements from Adsmart via OnePlatform).

Yet apart from the free tier and the ad technology, I'm not exactly sure what it does that Sky and Now TV (and it's variants) don't already do or could not do? Sky does VOD, ad tech, ad sales and already hosts/makes Peacock-bound content. And not exactly sure what solution it solves for the UK market where we have a healthy market both for PSB and VOD platforms?

If we don't see it, I expect we'll see the originals and the tech plugged into Sky/NowTV in someway - and if it does come? I still don't see the point of it and would be surprised if it replicates the US service. I'm sure we'll see in due course... I just think Sky/Comcast have growing D2C strategies in place already across Europe and Peacock adds little to what they have already.

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Got a nice surprise from NOW TV recently.

My £1.80 per month deal entered it's final month so was contemplating cancelling to see if they would offer anything else.

They didn't even give me a chance to do this, I received an e-mail saying thanks for being a loyal customer, your £1.80 per month deal will continue for another 6 months.

Great result

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While Netflix (and others) are enjoying the financial consequences of a third of the planet generally staying indoors I stumbled across this article that I think sums up a lot of the streaming industry.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...business-model

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Yes I've had that as well, at least Now TV are offering customers good deals and decent content to boot, but Amazon and Netflix continue to charge people the full rate whilst gaining millions of more customers, you'd have thought that they would apply some sort of deal in the current pandemic, but hey ho, I suppose that's the greed factor kicking in.

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Yes, that certainly plays to your mindset, jfman.

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Amazon have always been greedy treat their staff appaullingly too, if you look closely you'll often see stuff that has Amazon prime delivery available is often more expensive than none prime so you're really paying the Amazon tax twice.
Netflix imo are getting too big for their boots.

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It’s hardly a mindset Old Boy.

There’s many examples of such companies especially in crowded markets. I’ve not seen anyone justify why streaming will be any different. Consumers don’t have a limited supply of time and/or money therefore the bubble will burst for some.

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I don't think it's anything to do with greed.

Perhaps you could explain why any business that is raking in new customers would offer a discount?

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It wasn't an attack, Hugh; more an observation. Jfman has been consistent in his view that Netflix will fail.

I don't see it, myself.

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To an outside observer, indistinguishable... ;)

You did not attempt to rebut what he had posted, just make a comment about him.

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And yet you don't give any counter statements to the article.

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I’ve also not said Netflix will necessarily fail.

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It's all been said, again and again. Let's not go around in yet another circle.

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Why does everything have to be rebutted? I was acknowledging that the article was in line with his oft stated views on here, that's all.

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Because it's the equivalent of "whatever!" - not adding value to the conversation...

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That happens now, does it not? You just need to look at the offers Virgin make to entice new customers.

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The only company that's given me a discount (£25 one-off payment) because of the Coronavirus is my car insurance company who I'm six months into a contract with, as their claim rate has plummeted. I suspect the Now TV discount is more due to competition in the streaming market, particularly from new entrant Disney +.
If Amazon and Netflix are still gaining "millions of more customers" then there's little incentive for them to drop their prices now. They might have to do this later if the expected global recession occurs though.

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It's the way you've interpreted it, Hugh.

What I meant was that the article confirmed jfman's view, which he had expressed on these forums.

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Apparently the entire boxset of scrubs has arrived on All4. However nothing on virgin media. do we not have the full features and content of All4?

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Yes, that certainly plays to your mindset, OLD BOY.

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I've not seen it on SKYs boxsets either yet, maybe it goes live tomorrow?

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It's on All4's website, the app on my Samsung TV and the Now TV box so I assume it will arrive on the remaining platforms imminently.

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Yeah just checked on my nvidia shield it's on there.

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Unfortunately not yet. I appears that the actual All4 app might be about to be added to VM, but in the meantime it's just a limited selection of Catch Up and On Demand content on VM.

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All4 without the ads would be good.

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And are you suggesting that Netflix is like Deliveroo? What is your view?

Takeaways tend to be expensive, so if there is a economic downturn, yes this could hurt Deliveroo. But Netflix is cheaper and besides, if people can't afford to go out, have takeaways etc, I suggest to you that this would be good for Netflix and the other streamers. People have got to have some pleasures in life.

The other point I'd make is that regardless of the virus and its after effects, Netflix has created a systemic change in the media industry forever. Which as I keep saying, is why Murdoch sold out, as he knew he could not compete in the new streaming age with gigantic tech giants with deep pockets.

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My point - not specific to Netflix but the wider streaming industry - was that the hype and market valuations have no link to the underlying business models. The article goes on to say this is a staple of the technology sector just try not to be the last guy holding the shares when it all goes under.

“Deep pockets” are no substitute for an underlying profitable business model.

I do agree with you that being a cheap affordable luxury means the virus doesn’t present a risk to streaming services in itself. Pay-tv (the market that streaming is part of) wasn’t hit in 2008.

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You can have all4 without ads for a small monthly fee.

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I know, it's called All4+ I believe. I would like VM to provide the ITV Hub, All4 and My5 all free of ads, the price being absorbed within the top package.

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Something that’d cost Virgin hundreds of millions of pounds per year and bring no additional content to the party.

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VM are not going to get everything LG do not have bottomless pockets, even on SKY MY5, ALL4 has ads.

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And even those deals outside of ad supported catch-up tv are for a small (in the case of Ch5) or rotating (in the case of CH4) library of 'box set' content, not the whole shebang - as jfman states, it would cost an extraordinary amount especially if the three PSBs are willing to give up potentially lucrative ad revenue they could likely get from the free apps. If catalogue content is such an issue, Virgin would be better off trying to bundle something like Britbox... it provides the service with a lot of content that people may want to watch and would help Britbox scale.

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Come on now, if Old Boy thinks it’s a great idea, then not only is it actually a great idea, it’s going to happen, probably in about 5 years time.

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Exactly there is Acorn tv now as that's new that could be something for VM to look at AMC own it and LG are on good terms with AMC.

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I would have thought it would be quite popular. But Britbox or Acorn with no extra charge would be a good alternative.

If they could provide Hayu and BT Sport at no extra charge, they could do the same here. Sooner or later, they will have to start thinking about packages of streaming services/players in the same way as we have bouquets of channels.

Sky gets it. They provide Sky Box Sets and Netflix at a lesser charge than they would cost separately, for example.

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Of course it would be popular. I love people who give me free stuff.

The question is a simple economic one. Does Virgin Media's financial outlay in your scenario result in more subscribers at the top tier, such that in the end they make more money, not less.

I think it is very unlikely, and clearly so do they. If it was such an obvious winner, they would already be doing it.

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I can see where you're coming from but ultimately it's down to if VM would see it as a way of boosting their tv subs and revenue.

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And as I’ve said all along. If there was anything in it Virgin (or Sky) could have funded linear television variants without adverts for decades now.

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It is about providing packages which customers value, Chris. The cost would come from subscribers, obviously, but overall costs could be kept the same, for example by taking out those channels that very few viewers actually watch.

If they were able to do that for BT Sport....

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Yes, but remember that streamers and players are becoming more popular now as the media scene transforms. It is only a matter of time before Sky and Virgin come to realise that streamers are becoming more popular than TV channels.

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Well given they both sell broadband, manage traffic on said broadband services, resell streaming providers, run comprehensive tv and tv to go platforms (which will likely track viewing and search metadata) and in the case of Sky, own a suite of OTT services across Europe, I would suspect they have a pretty good idea already of how pay tv is doing these days!

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BT Sport when it was able to show live sport was a premium channel. The less popular channels are not. They may well be paying VM to be on the platform, so removing them could increase costs to subscribers. And I'm sure VM constantly reviews its portfolio of channels.

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Niche channels often have to pay for carriage, they don’t get paid by VM.

It’s amazing how easy everything seems from the comfort of your armchair.

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The BT Sport comparison is a red herring. This gave BT (and ESPN, Setanta) fixed revenue from a subscriber base far less likely to subscribe than their counterparts on the Sky platform. It was an easy win. Virgin get to bundle Premiership football without having to take a risk on the rights, and worry about how to sell them to Sky customers.

For streaming services, especially where the broadcaster relies heavily on advertising revenue, the calculation becomes far more complex.

For Virgin, or Sky, there's no new content.

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I'm pretty sure VM know a lot more than us mere mortals on this forum as to what their customers watch and don't watch.

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You just have to "believe" more... ;)

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:D:D:D

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Just to come back to this from last week:Although I can not and nether can anyone else, say which streamers will be successful in the long term, do you not accept that the film/tv industry is going through a systemic change and it will likley be streamers which will be the winners overall, rather than traditional tv channels and cinemas. That is not hype, but a massive shift in how the media industry does business.

Streamers are/will be the business model.

On profits, if the streamers emulate Malone's way of doing business, they will always be in debt and never in profit, something we've spoken about before. And no, I'm not thrilled with that way of doing business, but I suppose not paying taxes is very "profitable".

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I've never said that streaming won't be successful - only that it's not as black and white as being portrayed by some on the forum. There's also limited space in the pay-tv market (which streaming is part of). Not every new streamer is guaranteed success although the underlying hype is that they can all be the 'next Netflix'.

I agree that the industry is changing - content owners are pushing end to end distribution of their content and removing the middle men.

However at the same time I see it as an evolution not a revolution. It's still just television. The point I've consistently made is that linear remains cheap for anyone who owns the content anyway - these will be companies also involved in streaming content. These companies won't see it as a zero sum game the way it's portrayed here. It's an additional revenue stream (pun not intended) that costs virtually nothing to maintain.

The danger being that lenders are comfortable with cable operators because of the huge asset - the network. Even where massive state intervention funds FTTP networks the majority of consumers - worldwide - will end up in practice having a choice of one or two ISPs in addition to cable.

A streamer in a chunk of debt that is heavily reliant on third parties for content is always at risk of a new entrant (especially a content owner) coming in and offering a like for like service minus the huge costs in servicing the debt. That's a lower price point to consumers and greater market share in theory.

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Hmm, come back to this at some point on the linear thread, but for now..

There can't be systemic change and business as usual. Either there has/will be a tipping point and business is done differently, or not. Whether that's revolution or evolution, not sure, but yes it is still tv.

I agree though, that for our country and some other markets, it's no so black and white, or at least not yet as we're very different to the States. But in America, it's clear that pay tv is in terminal decline and streaming is on the rise. If and when, the tech cos move into sports in a very big way, that would be the final death knell for the traditional cable/satellite tv services over there.


I think anything internet related is always at risk of someone new coming along, so in that sense, I agree. But Netflix is huge now with a vast catalogue of its own content and others like Disney and Comcast have vast libraries of their own content, plus theme parks (virus, not withstanding) so these are massive assets in their own right too.

On networks, some see them as assets (like bricks and mortar) and others see them as liabilities which need tons of money to keep maintaining, so not sure I'd quite equate networks to streamers.

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Lenders like cable companies because they get regular income each month from subscribers which equates to paying off the interest on the debt. This is in contrast to some other types of business that may be nore erratic or seasonal in nature.

There don't seem to be many pure streaming companies entering the market apart from Quibi which seems more like an experiment funded by existing content producers. Otherwise, it's just existing players like Disney, ITV and AMC monetising back catalogues and companies active in other regions like 11 Sports and DAZN entering more countries.

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At long last it seems Sky will be releasing HDR with updates for the Disney + and Netflix apps to HDR in the coming months the caveat being anyone with a V1 box (Internal power Supply) won't be able as the box isn't compatible.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc...heres-a-catch/

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And yet Sky apply a discount for their Netflix/Box sets package. How do you explain that then?

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It's strange that it has taken so long, but nice to see HDR coming to Sky.

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Netflix aren’t advertising funded. Plus it’s discounted Netflix, not free Netflix.

The comparison for hypothetical ad-free streaming from ITV/C4/Five isn’t the same.

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Neither of these points take away from the fact that VM could offer these services for the same subscription cost as now. You are putting problems in the way.

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Sounds dangerously close to socialism Old Boy. Virgin, out of the goodness of their hearts, pay hundreds of millions to broadcasters for lost advertising revenue to give us a free app. And my bill won't go up?

Sounds perfect. A bit too perfect.

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Netflix to automatically close paying accounts that have been dormant for over a year

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...-a9527626.html

Hundreds of thousands of accounts apparently

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This is only my opinion but Netflix are starting to cheese people off one thinks first with their vpn blocking, not everyone uses vpns to bypass geo restrictions, then constant price rises now this.
Are they trying to bury themselves?

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Surely it's in people's interests who are paying but not using Netflix to no longer be charged by Netflix? They can always re-join if they want.

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I think it is good that they are doing the auto-cancel option - perhaps all companies in all areas of business should be forced to do this is the customer is not using the service.

Netflix are not the only one using geo-blocking - Amazon and Disney+ do it - Britbox has geo-restrictions too.

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If you think about it, they are doing their customers a favour! They can always rejoin!

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Yeah i wasn't sobre when i commented lol.

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Agreed, see my reply to Andrew :D

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I didn't say that. Virgin could easily re-work their packages to give their viewers the option of discounted streaming instead of discounting channels. The idea is to make their services more attractive to subscribers, not to give anything away 'out of the goodness of their hearts'. :rolleyes:

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I think the issue is that it wouldn’t be “easy”. The major streaming packages are already in millions of households, and ITV, Channel 4 and Five in every household meaning a deal with Virgin would cannibalise existing revenue streams in a way that Setanta, then ESPN and BT would not.

From the Sky basics dispute we identified that the vast majority of channels are on pennies per subscriber - a deal that would most definitely not appeal to the major streamers who are retailing packages at £8 or £9 a month relatively successfully.

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Virgin advertising these services and the content on them would probably be sufficient.

You need to exercise a little imagination instead of codemning every idea out of hand, jfman.

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I’m trying to exercise my imagination here but I don’t see these companies trading hundreds of millions in revenue for a handful of adverts. It’s preposterous to be frank.

Netflix has 11.5 million subscribers in the UK. Let’s say your average Virgin customer is equally as likely as any other to subscribe - that’s 2.3 million cancellations on day 1. £20m a month using the £9 package as the baseline. £240m per year.

But it gets worse - suddenly non-Virgin subscribers look at their phone plus fibre plus Netflix and move to Virgin. More revenue for Virgin, yes. But even less for Netflix.

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Amazon Prime Video will be showing four extra Premier League games this season free of charge.

https://twitter.com/primevideosport/...575104/photo/1