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muppetman11 07-11-2017 18:43

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35923674)
Not sure why this is in the sports thread as it doesn't mention increasing BT sports fees, only broadband charges

BT Sport is increasing its prices for some.

Chad 07-11-2017 19:39

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35923674)
Not sure why this is in the sports thread as it doesn't mention increasing BT sports fees, only broadband charges

The article does state:

"In a statement BT said: "We’re changing some of our Landline, Broadband and BT Sport prices on 7 January 2018"

I thought BT Sport had just recently gone up in price? At this rate BT Sport is going to be at least the same price as SKY Sports.

muppetman11 07-11-2017 19:44

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35923692)
The article does state:

"In a statement BT said: "We’re changing some of our Landline, Broadband and BT Sport prices on 7 January 2018"

I thought BT Sport had just recently gone up in price? At this rate BT Sport is going to be at least the same price as SKY Sports.

The new price for BT Sports on Sky for those who do not have BT Broadband is going to £25.99 SD or £30.99 HD. Oh and there's a £20 activation for new subscribers.

Chad 07-11-2017 21:25

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35923694)
The new price for BT Sports on Sky for those who do not have BT Broadband is going to £25.99 SD or £30.99 HD. Oh and there's a £20 activation for new subscribers.

Wow that's getting pretty expensive. I'm going into price comparison mode now :D

So the standard non-offer price for SKY Sports is £27.50 per month plus a further £6.00 for HD. Total amount per month is £33.50.

BT Sport is £25.99 per month plus a further £5.00 for HD. Total amount per month is £30.99 however with the £20.00 activation fee the total amount you'll pay over the first 12 months works out at £32.65. Less than £1 cheaper than SKY Sports. BT also charge a further £6.00 per month if you want to watch BT Sport on a second SKY box. Keep in mind though you get AMC and Boxnation with BT Sport so it might be a good deal for some.

denphone 08-11-2017 09:11

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Sky threatens to shut down Sky News to aid Fox takeover.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41909321

Raider999 08-11-2017 11:27

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35923774)
Sky threatens to shut down Sky News to aid Fox takeover.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41909321

Sky closes sky news down, fox take over then reverse decision and Fox News starts up - or is that too cynical?

Media Boy UK 08-11-2017 17:09

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35923774)
Sky threatens to shut down Sky News to aid Fox takeover.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41909321

Old news - I posted story on the coming soon thread last night.

Now I known what to buy this Xmas.:D

Raider999 08-11-2017 21:02

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35923878)
Old news - I posted story on the coming soon thread last night.

Now I known what to buy this Xmas.:D


Why post on coming soon thread when if anything it is disappearing?

OLD BOY 09-11-2017 08:39

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Because that's what may be coming soon. Blank screens!

muppetman11 09-11-2017 17:13

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Man City sign £10m-plus deal with Amazon Prime for behind-the-scenes TV series

http://bbc.in/2AoBSxG

denphone 09-11-2017 17:20

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35924118)
Man City sign £10m-plus deal with Amazon Prime for behind-the-scenes TV series

http://bbc.in/2AoBSxG

A nice little earner MM but please don't give OB certain ideas.;)

OLD BOY 09-11-2017 17:23

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35924120)
A nice little earner MM but please don't give OB certain ideas.;)

There's none so blind as those who will not see, Den. Do you not notice a certain flow...?

denphone 09-11-2017 17:40

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35924121)
There's none so blind as those who will not see, Den. Do you not notice a certain flow...?

And there is none so blind then one with a set tunnel vision OB.;)

OLD BOY 09-11-2017 18:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35924124)
And there is none so blind then one with a set tunnel vision OB.;)

Oh, I'm pretty broad minded, Den, but I won't go down that route or I will end up off topic! :erm:

The events of 2018 may just start to change your mindset if what theone is saying on the streaming thread comes to pass.

Raider999 09-11-2017 19:22

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Can you record streamed events for time-shifting?

If not it is a retrograde step to the old days before video tape, when you had to sit and watch it live or miss it.:mad:

OLD BOY 09-11-2017 19:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35924163)
Can you record streamed events for time-shifting?

If not it is a retrograde step to the old days before video tape, when you had to sit and watch it live or miss it.:mad:

Well, on the BBC i-Player, you can watch live or on demand. I would have thought that other providers would do the same (like Now TV, for example).

Raider999 09-11-2017 19:42

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35924166)
Well, on the BBC i-Player, you can watch live or on demand. I would have thought that other providers would do the same (like Now TV, for example).

Not sure the NRL streaming will be available in that way (hope I am wrong) - sports fans get a very raw deal when it comes to I-player/catch-up services.

denphone 15-11-2017 09:36

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TalkTalk warms up for Black Friday by adding 30 new channels to its TV packages.

https://www.cable.co.uk/news/black-f...ges-700002032/

jj20x 15-11-2017 15:30

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35925051)
TalkTalk warms up for Black Friday by adding 30 new channels to its TV packages.

https://www.cable.co.uk/news/black-f...ges-700002032/

Indeed, the demand for linear channels appears to be increasing. ;)

OLD BOY 15-11-2017 15:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jj20x (Post 35925094)
Indeed, the demand for linear channels appears to be increasing. ;)

This is an offer! No doubt trying to sell 'em cheap while they can!

jj20x 15-11-2017 15:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35925097)
This is an offer! No doubt trying to sell 'em cheap while they can!

Gosh yes, there may not be enough linear channels left if they wish to repeat the offer next year. :D

denphone 15-11-2017 16:04

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35925097)
This is an offer! No doubt trying to sell 'em cheap while they can!

You must be getting lessons from how politicians answers their questions OB.;)

1andrew1 15-11-2017 22:56

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Amazon secures UK rights to the US Open
Amazon has taken the UK rights to the US Open, freezing out Eurosport which announced it had secured the tennis Grand Slam in continental Europe.
It follows Amazon’s acquisition of the ATP Tennis tour in the summer, outbidding Sky, which is now in the final year of its contract. Sky has also screened the US Open, taking first pick of matches that were then also made available to its rival.
The move has sparked renewed speculation as to whether Amazon will now go on to make a bid for other sporting rights, including the Premier League.
https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2017...o-the-us-open/

Chad 17-11-2017 10:01

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The amount of televised Premiership games to be increased ahead of the rights going out for tenure next month

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42022871

denphone 17-11-2017 10:22

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35925347)
The amount of televised Premiership games to be increased ahead of the rights going out for tenure next month

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42022871

More games as expected on Linear TV...

Gavin-D 17-11-2017 12:30

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Premier League clubs back plans for live Saturday night matches and to increase number of TV fixtures

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...plans-11537302

Mad Max 17-11-2017 12:33

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The greed continues!!

denphone 17-11-2017 12:40

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Free BT Sport and reduced setup fees in BT Black Friday Sale.

https://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/...ck-friday-sale

OLD BOY 17-11-2017 13:19

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
With Amazon securing exclusive tennis rights in the UK, it would seem that the next domino to fall to them could be the Football Premiership rights.

https://www.rapidtvnews.com/20171117...#axzz4yh7IbZKU

However, current thinking seems to be that Amazon will not enter the game until the following bidding process in 2022. This now seems the most likely scenario, but I'm not ruling out the possibility that Amazon might surprise everybody with a bid this time around. Maybe to test the waters, they will start with one of the smaller packages.

denphone 17-11-2017 14:09

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Nice to see a post of such backtracking obfuscating OB.:)

OLD BOY 17-11-2017 14:19

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35925371)
Nice to see a post of such backtracking obfuscating OB.:)

No backtracking at all, Den. If you care to look at my previous posts, you will see that I have been talking about either Amazon or one of the other global players taking over the premiership rights either this time around or next.

I stick by that, and although time would be tight, I still think there is a possibility that Amazon may go for the full monty in the current bidding round. However, 2022 seems more likely.

Raider999 17-11-2017 16:51

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35925366)
With Amazon securing exclusive tennis rights in the UK, it would seem that the next domino to fall to them could be the Football Premiership rights.

https://www.rapidtvnews.com/20171117...#axzz4yh7IbZKU

However, current thinking seems to be that Amazon will not enter the game until the following bidding process in 2022. This now seems the most likely scenario, but I'm not ruling out the possibility that Amazon might surprise everybody with a bid this time around. Maybe to test the waters, they will start with one of the smaller packages.


Same old same old - will you ever give up OB?

At least you have done a u-turn on when!

Are you a politician? Because you ignore the facts and speculate as if it is reality!

OLD BOY 17-11-2017 17:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35925385)
Same old same old - will you ever give up OB?

At least you have done a u-turn on when!

Are you a politician? Because you ignore the facts and speculate as if it is reality!

Where's the u-turn? One or two of you aren't paying attention!

denphone 17-11-2017 18:06

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Well one has certainly not missed your regular contradictory postings and backtracking when it suits your own narrow agenda.

OLD BOY 17-11-2017 19:07

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35925393)
Well one has certainly not missed your regular contradictory postings and backtracking when it suits your own narrow agenda.

I've posted links to support my views, which are not contradictory. You seem to be saying the same thing with everything these days, with nothing to back up your argument.

You can check on what I have said previously very easily on here and if you want to accuse me of contradiicting myself, please provide your evidence. It is only polite to do so.

This time or next. That is what I stand by.

Raider999 17-11-2017 19:15

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35925398)
I've posted links to support my views, which are not contradictory. You seem to be saying the same thing with everything these days, with nothing to back up your argument.

You can check on what I have said previously very easily on here and if you want to accuse me of contradiicting myself, please provide your evidence. It is only polite to do so.

This time or next. That is what I stand by.

Actually, you said Amazon would be bidding for premier league rights this time round, now you are saying next round in 2022 - if that's not contradictory (or a u-turn) I don't know what is.

Keep going like that and eventually you may be correct.

OLD BOY 17-11-2017 19:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35925400)
Actually, you said Amazon would be bidding for premier league rights this time round, now you are saying next round in 2022 - if that's not contradictory (or a u-turn) I don't know what is.

Keep going like that and eventually you may be correct.

This time or next time. It's in my previous posts.

As far back as last June, when this debate started I said we'd have Amazon or one of the big players on the scene by 2024. See #7128, for example.

Some of you either have very short memories or are playing games! Please stop, we are trying to have a debate here.

Raider999 19-11-2017 20:15

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All seems to have gone very quiet as to when Freesports will appear on Virgin.

I have the very basic sky sub at a reduced cost - but Freesports was added, at no additional cost, to my available channels some time ago (oldest recording is 1st September)

With Premier Sports having lost the NRL rights (PS is the source of Freesports programming) there won't be anything worth watching by the time Freesports appears on Virgin.

theone2k10 19-11-2017 20:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35925561)
All seems to have gone very quiet as to when Freesports will appear on Virgin.

I have the very basic sky sub at a reduced cost - but Freesports was added, at no additional cost, to my available channels some time ago (oldest recording is 1st September)

With Premier Sports having lost the NRL rights (PS is the source of Freesports programming) there won't be anything worth watching by the time Freesports appears on Virgin.

Early 2018 is the timeline we have for Freesport on VM.

Raider999 19-11-2017 20:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35925563)
Early 2018 is the timeline we have for Freesport on VM.

Thanks, although I can't really see why it is taking so long.

Mad Max 19-11-2017 21:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35925563)
Early 2018 is the timeline we have for Freesport on VM.

What will they show?

muppetman11 19-11-2017 21:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35925570)
What will they show?

https://www.freesports.tv

Mad Max 19-11-2017 23:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35925572)

Not for me then......

Gavin-D 24-11-2017 13:45

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TalkTalk are going to offer a multiroom tv service sometime in 2018

OLD BOY 24-11-2017 14:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35926178)
TalkTalk are going to offer a multiroom tv service sometime in 2018

Details here.


http://www.a516digital.com/2017/11/t...grated-tv.html

Raider999 24-11-2017 19:57

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35926178)
TalkTalk are going to offer a multiroom tv service sometime in 2018

Wouldn't touch them with your barge pole. Had their tv and broadband for a short period of time - absolutely shocking and don't talk to me about the service (or lack of)

Gavin-D 05-12-2017 15:05

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SyFy added to Now TV entertainment pack

denphone 05-12-2017 16:53

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Top-flight rugby to be shown live on terrestrial TV for first time this month,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-uni...st-time-month/

Raider999 05-12-2017 17:09

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35927580)
Top-flight rugby to be shown live on terrestrial TV for first time this month,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-uni...st-time-month/

Although only 5 games a year (already shown on BT Sports) this is obviously good news for rugby fans

Richc1977 07-12-2017 13:36

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35927574)
SyFy added to Now TV entertainment pack

Didn't know they showed Sport on SyFy

West Ham V Chelsea is showing on Sky Sports Mix this Saturday, becoming the trend now to show a game on mix ahead of an attractive double header.

Raider999 07-12-2017 18:09

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Richc1977 (Post 35927836)
Didn't know they showed Sport on SyFy

West Ham V Chelsea is showing on Sky Sports Mix this Saturday, becoming the trend now to show a game on mix ahead of an attractive double header.

Yes, obviously a teaser to get people to add sky sports.

Good for those that don't subscribe to SS but of little use to those that do.

Media Boy UK 07-12-2017 18:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Richc1977 (Post 35927836)
Didn't know they showed Sport on SyFy

West Ham V Chelsea is showing on Sky Sports Mix this Saturday, becoming the trend now to show a game on mix ahead of an attractive double header.

Fans of Soccer AM note this weekend show will be broadcast at 9pm this Saturday on Sky One, Sky Sports Mix and Sky Sports Main Event.

telegramsam 07-12-2017 19:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35927869)
Yes, obviously a teaser to get people to add sky sports.

Good for those that don't subscribe to SS but of little use to those that do.

Helpful also for those of us who don't sub to sky sports HD.

Raider999 08-12-2017 16:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 35927898)
Helpful also for those of us who don't sub to sky sports HD.


Sorry, I forgot some still watch in standard def

denphone 08-12-2017 16:51

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BBC extends World Snooker broadcast deal up to 2023-24 season.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/snooker/42265468

Gavin-D 14-12-2017 11:13

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Sky Sports and the Professional Darts Corporation sign 7-year contract extension until 2025

OLD BOY 14-12-2017 11:15

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35928076)
BBC extends World Snooker broadcast deal up to 2023-24 season.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/snooker/42265468

Yes, and you can also stream this from the BBC i-Player, Den! ;)

denphone 14-12-2017 12:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35928781)
Sky Sports and the Professional Darts Corporation sign 7-year contract extension until 2025

No surprise there as its generally been a good fit for both sides.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35928782)
Yes, and you can also stream this from the BBC i-Player, Den! ;)

Nice to see you are on the ball for once OB.;)

denphone 18-12-2017 11:59

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BT and Sky may play nice in next Premier League rights bid, UBS suggests.

http://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/...ts-188944.html

Gavin-D 18-12-2017 12:13

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Breakdown of the sale

5 packs of 32 matches
2 packs of 20 matches
No single buyer allowed more than 148 matches each season
3 complete rounds of 10-midweek matches shown live
1 set of Bank Holiday games
8 games being shown on a Saturday night

muppetman11 18-12-2017 14:26

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I'll be devastated if the Premier League don't get as much as they expect..............honest.

denphone 18-12-2017 15:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35929316)
I'll be devastated if the Premier League don't get as much as they expect..............honest.

Well given your legendary respected status on here it would be nice what your thoughts are on the matter MM.;)

muppetman11 18-12-2017 19:55

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35925366)
With Amazon securing exclusive tennis rights in the UK, it would seem that the next domino to fall to them could be the Football Premiership rights.

https://www.rapidtvnews.com/20171117...#axzz4yh7IbZKU

However, current thinking seems to be that Amazon will not enter the game until the following bidding process in 2022. This now seems the most likely scenario, but I'm not ruling out the possibility that Amazon might surprise everybody with a bid this time around. Maybe to test the waters, they will start with one of the smaller packages.

According to Rupert Murdoch in a recent interview on TV he sees Facebook as the biggest threat.

Raider999 18-12-2017 21:23

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Will streaming be profitable though?

For instance, if a company gets a premier league package it won't be one of the all games in one round package, because they simply won't have the infrastructure to be able to film all of them in a 2-3 day period.

Whatever package they bid for the cost of filming and distribution will be enormous compared with the benefits.

Just how much will people pay for access to the stream?

NRL (Australian rugby league) is moving to streaming of all games in 2018 - no indication of cost as yet (apart from saying an equivalent for a different sport was approx. £20pm) - NRL was on Premier Sports (£10pm) so as far as I can see there will be few people willing to pay much more than £5pm for access to the streaming.

I i agine the feed will be from Australian broadcasters so apart from cost for the rights and streaming costs there can be little extra costs, but will they be able to make it pay?

telegramsam 19-12-2017 06:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35929416)
Will streaming be profitable though?

For instance, if a company gets a premier league package it won't be one of the all games in one round package, because they simply won't have the infrastructure to be able to film all of them in a 2-3 day period.
If someone like Amazon got some of the Premier League matches I think it would alienate a hell of a lot of people like me who don't want to sit in front of a computer screen watching football or have the know how to hook it up to their TV.
Whatever package they bid for the cost of filming and distribution will be enormous compared with the benefits.

Just how much will people pay for access to the stream?

NRL (Australian rugby league) is moving to streaming of all games in 2018 - no indication of cost as yet (apart from saying an equivalent for a different sport was approx. £20pm) - NRL was on Premier Sports (£10pm) so as far as I can see there will be few people willing to pay much more than £5pm for access to the streaming.

I i agine the feed will be from Australian broadcasters so apart from cost for the rights and streaming costs there can be little extra costs, but will they be able to make it pay?


OLD BOY 19-12-2017 11:20

Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35929416)
Will streaming be profitable though?

For instance, if a company gets a premier league package it won't be one of the all games in one round package, because they simply won't have the infrastructure to be able to film all of them in a 2-3 day period.

Whatever package they bid for the cost of filming and distribution will be enormous compared with the benefits.

Just how much will people pay for access to the stream?

NRL (Australian rugby league) is moving to streaming of all games in 2018 - no indication of cost as yet (apart from saying an equivalent for a different sport was approx. £20pm) - NRL was on Premier Sports (£10pm) so as far as I can see there will be few people willing to pay much more than £5pm for access to the streaming.

I i agine the feed will be from Australian broadcasters so apart from cost for the rights and streaming costs there can be little extra costs, but will they be able to make it pay?

Some good points being made about this, but in my view, none of these are unresolvable problems.

As far as the cost and resources required for infrastructure is concerned, I think someone has already made the point that they could rely on the filming that is organised by the Premier League itself. Until I read that, and I assume it was true, I had no idea that filming was taking place separately to that provided by Sky and BT. If true, I don't know whether the technical and professional quality is the same, but if so, it would appear that this problem is solved. If not, then clearly, the costs would be high, but if BT could do it, I'm sure that the big players, with their wads of money, can as well. If either Sky or BT lose out completely, the opportunity is already there for the incoming company to take over the infrastructure and employees (under TUPE).

The biggest problem, in my view, is accessing the same number or more viewers than BT and Sky manage to now, to make this pay. Given the current position with the roll out of broadband in this country, and the slow speeds many people have to put up with, my guess is that the new player(s) will go for a combination of streaming, existing channel outlets and new ones as well.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35929398)
According to Rupert Murdoch in a recent interview on TV he sees Facebook as the biggest threat.

Maybe they are, although Facebook does not currently have subscribers to a TV service like Amazon or Netflix. YouTube would be a more likely contender in my view, but I'm sure that Rupert, with his knowledge of and contacts in the industry must have his reasons for believing that to be the case.

Raider999 19-12-2017 11:54

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If streamers are taking any of the PL packages they will need to film/broadcast and stream it themselves (or pay someone to do it for them) as these will be additional matches To those shown by Sky/BT.

This will be a considerable cost per match, which the will either have to absorb or pass on.

The big question is will they expect people to subscribe for months/season or on an individual match basis.

If it is on a package basis will enough people pay enough to make it viable? Will there be sky high prices for pubs/clubs?

If it is on an individual basis people will be likely to only stream the big games.

No disrespect intended but who would pay to stream the likes of Stoke v Burnley, whereas some might to watch Man City v Man Utd at a reasonable price.

denphone 19-12-2017 16:10

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A+E Networks and TalkTalk sign new “long-term” carriage deal.

http://www.seenit.co.uk/ae-networks-...carriage-deal/

muppetman11 04-01-2018 12:01

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Interestingly Den the Telegraph don't share your optimism for big increases on the Premier League rights.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...eague-pay-cut/

denphone 04-01-2018 12:05

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35930945)
Interestingly Den the Telegraph don't share your optimism for big increases on the Premier League rights.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...eague-pay-cut/

Well we shall see MM as read other publications and they differ in their thoughts.

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Bridge says the present holders of the live rights for the Premier League, Sky and BT Sport, will not go down without a fight, even though analysts say Sky could reportedly be forced to pay an extra £600 million ($803 million) annually due to increased competition.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/sky-not-li...022713707.html

Chad 04-01-2018 12:28

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35930946)
Well we shall see MM as read other publications and they differ in their thoughts.



https://uk.news.yahoo.com/sky-not-li...022713707.html

The story from Yahoo was published before SKY and BT agreed to wholesale each others channels. Not too sure the article would read the same today.

denphone 04-01-2018 12:31

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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35930950)
The story from Yahoo was published before SKY and BT agreed to wholesale each others channels. Not too sure the article would read the same today.

Well we shall see Chad as given my track record you might well be right but my hunch is for money raised from the TV rights to rise by 10 to 15% for the Premier league.

muppetman11 04-01-2018 12:46

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With the fact that the Premier League are making more games available the rights very well could increase overall but it will be interesting to see on a match by match basis.

Sky always paid more and funded it by passing on price increases however this luxury has now come to an end in fact they've had to lower the cost of packages.

I've seen a deal knocking about some are being offered now of Sky Sports for £15 a month for 3 years. If that doesn't tell you how things are going I don't know what does.

Raider999 04-01-2018 14:01

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35930954)
With the fact that the Premier League are making more games available the rights very well could increase overall but it will be interesting to see on a match by match basis.

Sky always paid more and funded it by passing on price increases however this luxury has now come to an end in fact they've had to lower the cost of packages.

I've seen a deal knocking about some are being offered now of Sky Sports for £15 a month for 3 years. If that doesn't tell you how things are going I don't know what does.


I predicted the gravy train may have hit the buffers some time ago in response to posts that streaming would take over.

The BT/Sky agreement seems to have at least put the brakes on. I read this article twice this morning with interest. PL bosses are still talking up streamer interest despite quotes from those companies denying interest at this time.

The next time PL rights come up for grabs (2021/2022) may be the time streamers try to come on board assuming PL doesn't do the obvious thing - setting up their own subscription based streams.

OLD BOY 04-01-2018 16:25

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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35930978)
I predicted the gravy train may have hit the buffers some time ago in response to posts that streaming would take over.

The BT/Sky agreement seems to have at least put the brakes on. I read this article twice this morning with interest. PL bosses are still talking up streamer interest despite quotes from those companies denying interest at this time.

The next time PL rights come up for grabs (2021/2022) may be the time streamers try to come on board assuming PL doesn't do the obvious thing - setting up their own subscription based streams.




I think that is the most likely, not least because we are still working on getting our broadband infrastructure up to date. If the streamers won rights to the Premiership matches this time around, too any people would be unable to stream these matches to their TV sets.

I think it is possible that Amazon could go for it this time, but if they do, they could decide to supplement their streaming service with some broadcast linear channels of their own. This would ensure that they had access to maximum audience share.

vincerooney 04-01-2018 18:17

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35930997)
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I think that is the most likely, not least because we are still working on getting our broadband infrastructure up to date. If the streamers won rights to the Premiership matches this time around, too any people would be unable to stream these matches to their TV sets.

I think it is possible that Amazon could go for it this time, but if they do, they could decide to supplement their streaming service with some broadcast linear channels of their own. This would ensure that they had access to maximum audience share.

I very much agree about the future could be streaming for sports. Far too many tosh teams currently in the top flight. Sometimes I can’t even be bothered switching on for an “exciting” Bournemouth vs West Brom game etc.

I believe viewership are down? So that’ll mean ads are down. Sky must be starting to realise it’s value isn’t as high now. Teams like leeds, Derby, forest, Sheffield’s not being present doesn’t help either!

muppetman11 04-01-2018 20:55

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/...-uk-tv-rights/

Mad Max 04-01-2018 21:44

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35931032)


Den won't be having any of that.......;)

denphone 05-01-2018 04:37

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35931052)
Den won't be having any of that.......;)

Its not about having any of it MM but you have heard of over exaggerated hyperbole as that is what it has always been IMO and nothing more.

OLD BOY 05-01-2018 09:19

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35931032)

Good find, muppetman, well done!

---------- Post added at 09:19 ---------- Previous post was at 09:17 ----------

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35931080)
Its not about having any of it MM but you have heard of over exaggerated hyperbole as that is what it has always been IMO and nothing more.

Not really, Den. We are now experiencing a period of rapid change and we cannot rely entirely on what has happened in previous years to predict the future.

denphone 08-01-2018 16:24

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BT hikes prices yet again with BT Sport and broadband customers bearing the brunt.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/b...-sport-3367895

Paul 08-01-2018 17:08

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We used to have BT Sport when it was £5 month, then they hiked it up, so we ditched it.

denphone 08-01-2018 17:14

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Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35931572)
We used to have BT Sport when it was £5 month, then they hiked it up, so we ditched it.

One wonders what is in store for Virgin customers once the 3 year deal ends as personally l think it will get taken out of their main TV pack and will be a standalone subscription.

Dave42 08-01-2018 17:46

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35931567)
BT hikes prices yet again with BT Sport and broadband customers bearing the brunt.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/b...-sport-3367895

we all know price will only ever go up Den

denphone 08-01-2018 18:02

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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35931579)
we all know price will only ever go up Den

And with a certain channel on its way the trajectory will be further upwards one imagines.

theone2k10 08-01-2018 18:08

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35931574)
One wonders what is in store for Virgin customers once the 3 year deal ends as personally l think it will get taken out of their main TV pack and will be a standalone subscription.

I've already said this is going to happen but few believed me, this new price rise adds more concrete to my theory.
I honestly hope you guys on VM do get to keep it in XL but i highly doubt it will happen, or if it does it'll be at a big cost.

Dave42 08-01-2018 18:13

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Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35931584)
I've already said this is going to happen but few believed me, this new price rise adds more concrete to my theory.
I honestly hope you guys on VM do get to keep it in XL but i highly doubt it will happen, or if it does it'll be at a big cost.

it suits both parties to do a deal still say they will but we will see if they don't they lose lots of viewers I certainly wont be paying extra for it

theone2k10 08-01-2018 18:15

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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35931586)
it suits both parties to do a deal still say they will but we will see if they don't they lose lots of viewers I certainly wont be paying extra for it

It could flip either way tbh as you say BT would indeed lost a lot of veiwers but the flip side is VM could also lose a lot of tv customers too.
The cost of watching sport now is getting silly tbh i don't think it'll be too long before it reaches breaking point for a lot of people and the bubble bursts.

alwaysabear 08-01-2018 18:39

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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35931586)
it suits both parties to do a deal still say they will but we will see if they don't they lose lots of viewers I certainly wont be paying extra for it

I am with you Dave, if BT Sport stay's in XL fine, if it moves to stand alone I will not be paying extra.

Mad Max 08-01-2018 20:04

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Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 35931593)
I am with you Dave, if BT Sport stay's in XL fine, if it moves to stand alone I will not be paying extra.

Same here, it's bloody ridiculous what's being charged now, and all for the benefit of over paid, mostly average, football players!

OLD BOY 09-01-2018 07:27

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Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35931587)
It could flip either way tbh as you say BT would indeed lost a lot of veiwers but the flip side is VM could also lose a lot of tv customers too.
The cost of watching sport now is getting silly tbh i don't think it'll be too long before it reaches breaking point for a lot of people and the bubble bursts.

Which is why it would be in the interests of both parties to do a deal, assuming that BT is still in the game when the results of the bidding process are known.

I still say that VM should hold out for AMC as well. We are the only 'major platform' not to have this channel.

MrP 09-01-2018 18:00

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35931617)
Same here, it's bloody ridiculous what's being charged now, and all for the benefit of over paid, mostly average, football players!

But hopefully without a ridiculous price increase to cover it being "free".

Overpaid average footballers...how dare you! Oh take it you're not talking about the National League. My mistake!! :)

denphone 09-01-2018 18:07

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35931663)
Which is why it would be in the interests of both parties to do a deal, assuming that BT is still in the game when the results of the bidding process are known.

I still say that VM should hold out for AMC as well. We are the only 'major platform' not to have this channel.

Not worried about AMC personally as there is not much on there we like but Sky Atlantic would go down well in our household most definitely.

Mad Max 09-01-2018 22:57

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35931738)
Not worried about AMC personally as there is not much on there we like but Sky Atlantic would go down well in our household most definitely.


I'll believe it when I see it, Den!

1andrew1 09-01-2018 23:22

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35931738)
Not worried about AMC personally as there is not much on there we like but Sky Atlantic would go down well in our household most definitely.

I don't know how good AMC in the UK is now. BT no longer seems to advertise it prominently in its press adverts. There is also a possibility that AMC's deal with Amazon could replace the BT deal. https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2017...l-with-amazon/

OLD BOY 10-01-2018 07:46

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35931778)
I don't know how good AMC in the UK is now. BT no longer seems to advertise it prominently in its press adverts. There is also a possibility that AMC's deal with Amazon could replace the BT deal. https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2017...l-with-amazon/

I think this is quite likely, Andrew. The viewing figures for AMC are very low indeed because the audience for this channel comes only from BT subscribers and those Sky satellite viewers who subscribe to BT Sport. AMC will not be too impressed, I dare say, and additionally, BT is under pressure with the amount it is spending on their TV service (due to the cost of premiership rights).

If Amazon were to acquire the channel, it would plug a gap for me as it is the only channel worth having for which I cannot gain access, other than by actually subscribing also to BT TV.

Although some may decry the output of AMC, there are some good films (most of 3 and 4 star quality) and original output on that channel, which compares favourably with Sky One, and without the junk. AMC is the home of Fear the Walking Dead, Breaking Bad and Mad Men, so to my mind, it is a channel worthy of note.

If I could access this channel or its content through Amazon, I would be well pleased.

Chad 10-01-2018 08:19

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35931778)
I don't know how good AMC in the UK is now. BT no longer seems to advertise it prominently in its press adverts. There is also a possibility that AMC's deal with Amazon could replace the BT deal. https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2017...l-with-amazon/

That would be great but maybe not for a few years yet. When I was reading reports of the wholesale deal between SKY and BT last month I read that AMC is not included as part of the deal. BT allegedly are keeping it exclusive to their platform. What this means for SKY customers who currently get AMC on SKY, as part of the BT Sports pack via BT, is anyone's guess. Seems likely AMC will disappear from the SKY epg next year when the wholesale deal kicks in. Certainly looks like BT still has plans for AMC. They're just over 2 years into a multi year exclusive deal.

OLD BOY 10-01-2018 11:42

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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35931792)
That would be great but maybe not for a few years yet. When I was reading reports of the wholesale deal between SKY and BT last month I read that AMC is not included as part of the deal. BT allegedly are keeping it exclusive to their platform. What this means for SKY customers who currently get AMC on SKY, as part of the BT Sports pack via BT, is anyone's guess. Seems likely AMC will disappear from the SKY epg next year when the wholesale deal kicks in. Certainly looks like BT still has plans for AMC. They're just over 2 years into a multi year exclusive deal.

The AMC deal is certainly described as a 'multi-year deal', but I had always assumed that this would expire at the same time as the existing football premiership rights came to an end. If it does, I think AMC will cease to be exclusive to BT, and this is another possible explanation for the channel not being part of the Sky/BT agreement.

So, AMC could be present on Sky without the BT Sport subscription and it could also be made available on Virgin Media.

muppetman11 10-01-2018 20:39

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Matchroom secure new seven-year Sky Sports TV deal until 2025

http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2018/...eal-until-2025

denphone 10-01-2018 20:52

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35931889)
Matchroom secure new seven-year Sky Sports TV deal until 2025

http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2018/...eal-until-2025

No surprise MM as Sky have no intention of relinquishing their grip on most of their sports coverage and give it a few months and they will be announcing that they have won the bulk of the Premier league rights as well.


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