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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36013250)

You seem to believe that an extension is inevitable, Andrew, but it is not. You are conveniently ignoring at least two other possibilities.

1. The EU may fail to grant an extension.

2. Boris's master plan could be to apply for Article 24 of GATT, by which we could apply a protection period of up to 10 years. If the EU is as desperate for a deal as they make out, there is no reason why they should not support this. It deals with the backstop until such time as we agree a trade agreement, as well.

It sounds as though Boris also has other measures up his sleeve, which he is not revealing right now for obvious reasons.

Gatt24 cannot be used as Article 24 only applies to countries who are on the verge of finalizing free-trade agreements with each other

Is our current position anywhere near that ??? I don’t believe so

Also the EU et all would have to agree to the use of Article 24

Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36013258)

And the denials aren't bit of a coincidence?
Other than the backstop, when have they ever said what proposals might be acceptable? It's always been a complete blanket no to the merest hint of a solution. Have Ireland and the EU ever said that X might be made to work? If you actually want to find a solution to something, the usual approach is either try and come up with something yourself, or at least be more supportive of other suggestions.

Because it's all noise. If you don't want a border in Ireland then:

No Brexit
UK stays in a Customs Union
N.Ireland stays in a Customs Union

You can't simultaneously have the whole of the U.K outside of the Customs Union and no border or infrastructure in Ireland. Since all three options above are red lines then we're heading towards a border in Ireland of some sort. We can have checks away from the border but that is still a less than smooth movement between the two countries.

Personally I can see two things happening to avoid it:

We agree to kick the can down the road. N.Ireland stays in the Customs Union for now. Some fudge is made on the backstop (but who knows what that is)
Or, more likely, The Tories win a majority in an election and can ignore the DUP putting the backstop in the Irish sea

Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36013255)

Have to say wish Merkel was our leader. Seems like a nice old bird. And she's vaguely competent, which puts her streets ahead of our leaders/potential leaders

Good old Mutty, ( that’s what they her, it is a term of affection)

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So we won two World Wars.. and still came out on the S*** side.

Strange how the Conservative mob dislike anything with the word UNION in it.

Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36013267)

Good old Mutty, ( that’s what they her, it is a term of affection)

Mutti - German for mummy.

Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion

Anything Jezza can do, BoJo can do better...

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Downing Street Is Split As Senior Boris Johnson Allies Turn On Dominic Cummings
As talks with Brussels appeared close to breakdown on Tuesday, BuzzFeed News can reveal details of a “parallel government” being run out of Number 10 by Johnson’s longstanding adviser Eddie Lister, how the prime minister’s top team is split over its aggressive media strategy, and an imminent power grab over the approach the Conservative Party should take during an election — pencilled in for the end of November — and who should run the campaign.
Several backbench Tory MPs and a core group of cabinet ministers led by Julian Smith, Robert Buckland, Matt Hancock, and Nicky Morgan have raised concerns over the direction taken by Number 10 in recent weeks.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham...ohnsons-allies

Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion

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Originally Posted by richard s (Post 36013270)

So we won two World Wars.. and still came out on the S*** side.

Strange how the Conservative mob dislike anything with the word UNION in it.

Conservative Party is the shortened name. Guess what word appears in the full version.:rolleyes:

It's about not wanting to told to do by other countries and being under their control.

Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36013265)

Because it's all noise.

You're right - it's all noise. But there's plenty of people who are more than happy to convince themselves it's not.

Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36013276)

Conservative Party is the shortened name. Guess what word appears in the full version.:rolleyes:

It's about not wanting to told to do by other countries and being under their control.

Union doesn’t - Unionist does... ;)

And don’t forget, a majority of Conservative members would sacrifice the integrity of the U.K. for Brexit, so don’t seem very "unionist"...

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We seem to be forgetting the principle reason I re-opened this thread. Brexit developments only discussion.

I do not want to see non-Brexit development nonsense shared from social media posted in this topic, unless it is actually in the main news.

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Makes sense, there's not much you can get done between now and January if you have an election in late November.

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EU may offer to extend deadline for Brexit deal to June
The European Union is poised to extend Brexit talks into as late as next summer after the European council and commission presidents dismissed Boris Johnson’s strategy as a “blame game”.
A “range of dates” will now be in play at the meeting of European leaders next week but sources suggested the natural cut-off date would be June.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...deal-to-summer

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36013262)

Exactly and I'm sure we've tried to help Old Boy understand this point before.

No EU country will weaken the union by voting against an extension. It's in no member country's interests.

Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36013296)

No EU country will weaken the union by voting against an extension. It's in no member country's interests.

October, January, now it's June . . eventually it will be 12 month extensions and we still won't get anywhere :rolleyes:

There's only one way out, and everybody knows what it is

Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36013306)

October, January, now it's June . . eventually it will be 12 month extensions and we still won't get anywhere :rolleyes:

There's only one way out, and everybody knows what it is

That may well be true, but leaving without a deal arbitrarily at the end of this month, a date decided by the EU, is reckless. The transitional element of Theresa May’s effectively moved exit day (in real terms) December next year anyway. Why not stay in until then, or as close to then) and leave without a deal? Businesses then can prepare knowing the outcome.

People in darkened rooms can start planning trade deals.

Leaving now is only important to those driven by ideology or the disaster capitalists.

Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36013306)

There's only one way out, and everybody knows what it is

Are you still harking on about revoking Article 50? :D

Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36013309)

Are you still harking on about revoking Article 50? :D

That's funny :clap:

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It does seem Cummings is out of control though. He clearly does not tolerate leaks in No. 10 and so the "leaks" to the Spectator and the one about the Merkel phone call are clearly penned by him.

This description of No. 10 from the other side of the table is apt and accurate:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...brexit-trouble

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Donald Tusk had read the reports while travelling to Berlin. The European council president was going to see Merkel at the chancellery as part of a routine tour of European capitals before next week’s EU summit, where Brexit is again crowding out the agenda. Tusk, an anglophile former Polish prime minister with a sharp turn of phrase, has been deeply frustrated by what he sees as Downing Street’s attempt to avoid responsibility.

As his car headed to the chancellery, he decided it was time to hit back and accused Johnson directly of playing “some stupid blame game” and making a deal impossible. “Where are you going?” he asked in Latin.

He was not alone in that view. In Brussels, European diplomats were aghast at what they saw as the No 10 spin machine out of control. “It’s incredibly immature. Kids in the kindergarten behave more maturely than this,” one senior diplomat said of the latest No 10 briefings. “It’s amazing, that’s all I can say.”

The diplomat told the Guardian it might be better to simply ignore the statements, suggesting they could not represent the strategy of a serious country. “This is so strange and immature. This can’t be government policy, this can’t be a majority opinion in Downing Street.”

The same diplomat described No 10’s account of the call with Merkel as “an incredible distortion of facts”, saying she would have repeated the EU’s longstanding position that a customs border was not compatible with the UK’s obligations under the Good Friday agreement.

Another diplomat described No 10’s account of the call as “quite shocking”, pointing to claims that Merkel had apparently said Germany could leave the EU “no problem” if it wanted. “She would never have mentioned Germany leaving the EU - it’s quite gross and ridiculous,” the diplomat said. “For me, it was obvious that it was designed for a domestic audience but, at the same time, how could they attribute that to the chancellor?”

Embarrassing times to be British ..