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I posted as an agnostic and you chose to imply that I'd copied the text from a website. You could have challenged the points made in the post, however, you took the easy route of trying to discredit the post, I doubt you even read the post fully as you seem to have missed that I had said "as an atheist". You then continued to badger Russ!


Playing the victim and looking for a scapegoat is all I have to say.

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Fantastic testimony - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7995676.stm

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i'll take the defensive rebound as a 'no'....

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No one can take away the fact that in general, modern Christians are some of the nicest people you can meet and are the only people willing to help someone down on their luck.

A very good friend of mine was an alcoholic when he left the Army ... He in his own words wasn't a very nice man and was stationed in Northern Ireland during the troubles. He found God and is now a devout Catholic. He goes out of his way to help ANYONE who needs help, is non judgemental and is genuinely a bloody nice chap.

We have an understanding that we just don't mention religion to each other and 8 years on we're still good friends.

This leads me on to say that the only reason this kicked off is because we're sat hundreds of miles apart, hiding behind a keyboard. I'm guilty of this, as is everyone else who's participated in this thread.

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Take what you want, where you want, whenever you want, chummy. ;)

However, in reality, I was pointing out to our rabid atheist chum that he was not providing any facts to back up his assertions, and highlighted this by a quote from the TV program "Dragnet", featuring the actor Jack Webb, who allegedly had a catchphrase "just the facts, ma'am", when questioning suspects/witnesses who waffled on but provided no concrete information, thus the illustrated by the statement "Webb was a stickler for accurate details".

Hope that helps. :)

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Please...please, stop trying to speak for other people. Kudos for the admission but it's not a good idea pressuming to speak for others.

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I speak for everyone on here ... You Russell wouldn't have said some things you said to my face, and I like wise to yours.

Everyone's hiding behind their little plastic keyboard like little anonymous internet warriors.

Anyone can be a hero from a hundred odd miles away.

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You certainly do not speak for me. I'm seriously good at doing that for myself.

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OK this is getting very very silly.

What I've said in this thread I've said to people face to face, on the phone, on the radio etc plenty of times over the years. I've had these types of discussions with countless people before you, louder, nastier and some nicer, and no doubt I will in the future. I have not argued with you once, I have simply countered and pointed out the flaws in your rational. I do it and lots of others do too.

(my birth name is Russ btw)

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Assume you speak for me if you want - you will remain a permanent member of my 'ignore' list whatever you say ...

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And all I did was point out that what you believe in is illogical and irrational and provided the evidence to back up the points... In my opinion.

Where is this getting us? Back to point 'A' again. Off we go AGAIN. :(

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I'll PM you if I see Russ posting anything controversial!!

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Now we're getting somewhere! Finally.

You are welcome to hold the opinion that my beliefs are illogical, irrational etc and I'd go so far as to fight for your right to hold that opinion. Up until this point it was not the angle you were coming from.

I tip my hat to you.

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If someone believes that upon their death flying monkeys will swoop down and carry them off to neverneverland as long as they live their lives by a set of rules, principals, beliefs or anything else you'd like to name it, then that's what they believe. They have faith it will indeed happen.
Who are you to slate them for it?

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As long as it isn't forced onto me, they can believe in what they want to. ;)
They way that he has gone about "debating" has done us atheists a dis-service.

I am breaking a rule here, posting in a religion thread ;)

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absolutely - however I no longer care whether the poster you are replying to assumes the monkeys involved have shaved or hairy armpits when forming the reply, the responses so far have abdicated all claim to reason or logic - which is especially galling when claiming 'science' as the fabric of the reasoning...