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A lot of people think they could not have done it based on the fact that they are the parents. It is hard to comprehend that parents could be responsible for something like this and people prefer to use sentiment and emotion to distance themselves from such conclusion.

It does look like they have had more involvement than they have said so far.

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A few people are posting here that they find it hard to believe the train of events that are being suggested led to Madeline possible death.

Well would you have believed the train of events that lead to Jamie Bulger's death (Two school boys abduct and murder a child. No way)or the Soham murders (The school caretaker, helped by his wife to cover it up. No one could be that evil.) or Harold Shipman (A GP killing god knows how many people.) Fred West..... I could go on.

I am not comparing the McCanns to these people.

What I am saying is bad things happen in this world.

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It takes that long to get served with a kebab sometimes !!!

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The 81 year old woman in the apartment above apparently heard Maddie crying for 75 mins on the nights they went to dinner shouting for her Daddy. It's heartbreaking :(

This woman also said that she had been broken into a few times and someone else came forward and said they'd also been broken into in the same apartments, bringing the possibility that she could have interupted someone and they took her instead. Doesn't sound likely to me, and i haven't heard that much mentioned about any of this.

Anyway, one other thing i can't get my head around... Kate went to check on them, less than 5 minslater she ran back to the party screaming 'they've taken her'.... so she thought straight away someone had taken her child yet she ran back to the party leaving the twins in the same room, all unlocked and everything???
It's all dodgy i don't know what to make of this whole thing, but i must admit that the more it's looked into the more and more dodgy it sounds against the parents.
But like the parents have also kind of said, while the focus is on them, is anyone still looking into other possibilities, because there could really be someone else out there with a lot more time and less pressure to cover up the crime.

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Yeah apparently his kid was being violently sick so he'd took him/her back to their apartment to sort it out.
This is the husband of the woman who said she saw a man carrying a child in pink pyjama's like Maddie's....:dozey:

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Which just emphasises even more how remote the apartment was from the tapas bar, otherwise she could have just shouted across to Gerry from the apartment.

Or, if you are synical, you might think that she needed to emphasise the "fact" of the abduction by shouting about it in front of everyone in the tapas bar, planting the first seed into the minds of everyone within earshot. Leaving the twins wouldn't be a worry as there was no abductor!

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Jeez, the latest news makes me have to think again.

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Ok the problem i have had with the abduction thing from day one is why take the eldest if you want to snatch a child and you have a choice of three one four and 2 little more then babies which do you take. Some will no doubt go along with the burgler thng and say "ah but maddie was old enough to identify the burgler". Yeah right so some oppurtune thief being seen by a four year old then decides to kidnap her and kill her (sorry he is not going to keep her around) that doesn't add up to me at all.

THAT is the reason this is so talked about because it is but one thing among many many others about this whole situation that just doesn't add up in anyway. Fact that initial statements the mc'canns made about the circumstances in the first place have been completely discredited has nothing to do with anything according to some it was down to them being in a "confused state". Now we have the tried and tested not to mention tired old refrain of "were being framed". Maybe just maybe while some on here seem to have so much trouble accepting this the portugese police have not made a complete cock up that they have actually done their job and for reasons that they are not sharing in accordance with portugese law they have very damn good reason to be looking at the parents.

Arthur you talk about getting angry well your not alone i am sick of a country being derided and insulted because they are not saying\doing what some want them too. Also the portugese police are being helped by the british police so when people shout "frame up" please explain to me why the british police would go along with it.

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Police are apparently playing down claims about DNA

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6988485.stm

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Some thoughts I have had (many are possibly going over old ground and if so I apologise in advance)

• Who had that hire car before the McCann's hired it?
  
• Was it hired locally?
  
• Why were the McCanns still driving the car after it had been examined if it were and contained such important evidence?
  
• Why did they suspect Marat?
  
• How was the body hidden for 25 days without anyone finding it, including sniffer dogs and policemen taking the apartment apart?
  
• How could the body have been disposed of with such media interest in their every move? A 25 day old corpse would be badly decomposed in such a hot country unless refrigerated. How could it go undetected?
  
• How did the McCanns have dinner with their friends, knowing they'd just killed their daughter?
  
• What was the motive to kill their own daughter?
  
• If it were an accident, why cover it up?

A few of the questions that have to be answered

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For the last 3 questions see my post #1121. Don't forget both are doctors, they would clever and more calculating, they would know how to cover their tracks more than most. They can detatch themselves, because what choice did they have if that was the case (accidental death).

If it was a normal accident, there would be no need to cover it up.

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Perhaps so, but a mothers love for her child is surely stronger ?

The first point remains then, decompostion of a corpse (If there was one) Thoughts ?

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Its interesting they'd even search a car that was rented so long after her disappearance. They must have had some reason to suspect them.

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Surely, in cases like this, the family are always considered suspects until evidence proves otherwise.

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I don't think there would have been a motive, perhaps she was ruining the holiday by crying / acting up. More likely she was pushed and banged her head or shook and died. I struggle to imagine how they would kill her any other way than an accident. Why cover it up? maybe they thought they where in a foreign country and did not know what would happen to them and did not fancy rotting away in jail.

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That's the thing - there's various bits here that just don't add up, for either argument - the abduction, or the 'murder' - both seem possible, but there are holes in both theories, and questions that just remain unanswered.