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mrmistoffelees 10-02-2019 11:10
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35982802)
Just because you think something will be a disaster does not make it so.
But equally and by your own logic it may well be

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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35982801)
If you think something is going to be a disaster for your country wouldn't you be a traitor to blithely go along with it :shrug:
:clap:

nomadking 10-02-2019 11:16
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35982801)
If you think something is going to be a disaster for your country wouldn't you be a traitor to blithely go along with it :shrug:
Doesn't that include voting Labour?

Damien 10-02-2019 11:41
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35982806)
To others, disaster is seeing your town decimated by the local industries/factories closing and re-opening in a country where the labour and costs are much cheaper.

I think previous Governments have a lot to answer for, and many 'leave' voters were probably of a mind where being in the EU was already a 'life changing' disaster for them and their families/community

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, or wishing to start more silly arguements involving statistics, JLR, Dyson et al. Just saying that for some people a fresh start probably gives them better hope for the future than continuing in a downward spiral.
I don't see how Brexit helps these local factories though. We've already seen Nissan reduce their investment and even if you don't think Brexit was the prime motivation it's worth pointing out that it's now easier for them to trade with the EU from Japan than it is the UK. Adding tariffs to imports and exports is not going to encourage outside investment from outside the UK, we're not making this a cheaper country with which to do business until such a time that we make up all the existing trade access we've got now.

Dyson is an advocate of leaving but when it comes to business he isn't investing in post-Brexit Britain either.

People blamed the EU for globalisation (which obviously it is ultimately part of) but these are processes that are happening anyway.

If people were (rightly) angry at previous governments for letting these things happen then what will happen to those who sold Brexit as a way to revitalise British manufacturing? And when it comes down to it how confident are you that the governments of the future will focus on those industries as opposed to the banking sector when it comes to trade deals with the United States and the rest?

1andrew1 10-02-2019 12:37
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35982820)
I don't see how Brexit helps these local factories though. We've already seen Nissan reduce their investment and even if you don't think Brexit was the prime motivation it's worth pointing out that it's now easier for them to trade with the EU from Japan than it is the UK. Adding tariffs to imports and exports is not going to encourage outside investment from outside the UK, we're not making this a cheaper country with which to do business until such a time that we make up all the existing trade access we've got now.

Dyson is an advocate of leaving but when it comes to business he isn't investing in post-Brexit Britain either.

People blamed the EU for globalisation (which obviously it is ultimately part of) but these are processes that are happening anyway.

If people were (rightly) angry at previous governments for letting these things happen then what will happen to those who sold Brexit as a way to revitalise British manufacturing? And when it comes down to it how confident are you that the governments of the future will focus on those industries as opposed to the banking sector when it comes to trade deals with the United States and the rest?
Worth making the point here that Economists for Brexit has stated that Brexit will lead to the end of manufacturing in the UK. https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news...leave-11269819

Mick 10-02-2019 12:40
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35982803)
Does seem odd that people are happy to support a result, when even the source of the £8 million donation by Aaron Banks is still unknown. A referendum that legally had to be advisory rather than binding in order to get the ballot past the judiciary.
Here you go again with the one sided angle again trying in vain to delegitimise a perfectly legitimate result. :rolleyes:

Any comments on the £9 Million tax funded pro-Remain government leaflet sent to every house in UK ?

Angua 10-02-2019 12:54
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35982825)
Here you go again with the one sided angle again trying in vain to delegitimise a perfectly legitimate result. :rolleyes:

Any comments on the £9 Million tax funded pro-Remain government leaflet sent to every house in UK ?
I know you will never accept the fact that legally the referendum had to be advisory. Nor will you accept people have changed their minds, or that there is no consensus between leave voters about what their version of leave meant.

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2019/02/3.png

Does not change the reality.

Mick 10-02-2019 12:58
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35982801)
If you think something is going to be a disaster for your country wouldn't you be a traitor to blithely go along with it :shrug:
This is highly irrelevant. Most of the MPs campaigned on Manifestos to honour the Referendum result and to be elected on that premise and then go against it is unacceptable. So to answer your irrelevant question, the answer is most definitely and categorically, no.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35982826)
I know you will never accept the fact that legally the referendum had to be advisory. Nor will you accept people have changed their minds, or that there is no consensus between leave voters about what their version of leave meant.

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2019/02/3.png

Does not change the reality.
You seriously trying to argue your case with crap poll data ?

Angua 10-02-2019 13:03
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35982827)
This is highly irrelevant. Most of the MPs campaigned on Manifestos to honour the Referendum result and to be elected on that premise and then go against it is unacceptable. So to answer your irrelevant question, the answer is most definitely and categorically, no.
So MPs should blithely support their parties manifestos, even though the reality is not what they were expecting, or what in good conscience they can continue to support based on updated information.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35982827)
This is highly irrelevant. Most of the MPs campaigned on Manifestos to honour the Referendum result and to be elected on that premise and then go against it is unacceptable. So to answer your irrelevant question, the answer is most definitely and categorically, no.

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You seriously trying to argue your case with crap poll data ?
Just used it to point out how many options there are and that not everyone who voted leave expected the same outcome. But hey, I have learned I will get nothing but derision from you.

Mick 10-02-2019 13:04
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35982829)
So MPs should blithely support their parties manifestos, even though the reality is not what they were expecting, or what in good conscience they can continue to support based on updated information.
There is no updated information. Except the over dramatic scare stories from Remainers.

pip08456 10-02-2019 13:09
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35982814)
But equally and by your own logic it may well be

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:clap:
Correct but equally it would not make you a traitor to blithely go along with it.

I don't believe it will be, there are others who believe it will. Neither can be described as traitors because of what they believe.

Mick 10-02-2019 13:17
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35982829)
So MPs should blithely support their parties manifestos, even though the reality is not what they were expecting, or what in good conscience they can continue to support based on updated information.

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Just used it to point out how many options there are and that not everyone who voted leave expected the same outcome. But hey, I have learned I will get nothing but derision from you.
Perhaps you should stop posting one sided arguments all the time that are easily derided, I see you have completely ignored the issue of the Tax payer funded pro-Remain leaflet. Typical. :rolleyes:

1andrew1 10-02-2019 14:04
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35982833)
Perhaps you should stop posting one sided arguments all the time that are easily derided, I see you have completely ignored the issue of the Tax payer funded pro-Remain leaflet. Typical. :rolleyes:
The official Government leaflet is irrelevant. It was lawful, didn't breach any spending limits and was pretty ineffective. False equivalence.

Angua 10-02-2019 14:13
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35982831)
There is no updated information. Except the over dramatic scare stories from Remainers.
Manifestos are only as good as the day they are printed. They are not guarantees of what a party will do, merely each parties hope for what they might do when in government.

The Tories have already dropped many of their manifesto pledges since 2017.

mrmistoffelees 10-02-2019 16:19
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35982833)
Perhaps you should stop posting one sided arguments all the time that are easily derided, I see you have completely ignored the issue of the Tax payer funded pro-Remain leaflet. Typical. :rolleyes:
Coming from the man who completely ignored facts not so long ago in this thread by declaring the fact he didn’t need to read a link.

There’s more than a whiff of utter hypocrisy about the above post

Mick 10-02-2019 16:34
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35982849)
Coming from the man who completely ignored facts not so long ago in this thread by declaring the fact he didn’t need to read a link.

There’s more than a whiff of utter hypocrisy about the above post
No sense of smell then. I never said I didn’t read the link, I just didn’t believe the story, big difference, so no whiff of hypocrisy here or in my posts.

mrmistoffelees 10-02-2019 16:36
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35982851)
No sense of smell then. I never said I didn’t read the link, I just didn’t believe the story, big difference, so no whiff of hypocrisy here or in my posts.
Too be fair, your words were that 'you didn't need to read the link' which implies that you had not read it.

Apologies for diverting off tangent.

Mick 10-02-2019 16:37
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35982835)
The official Government leaflet is irrelevant. It was lawful, didn't breach any spending limits and was pretty ineffective. False equivalence.
Says you?

Nope it isn’t. I’m right. Tax payer funded propaganda vs. Alleged over spending in one unofficial campaign. The referendum result isn’t illegitimate.

Angua 10-02-2019 19:17
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35982853)
Says you?

Nope it isn’t. I’m right. Tax payer funded propaganda vs. Alleged over spending in one unofficial campaign. The referendum result isn’t illegitimate.
The leaflet was a legal requirement of the Referendum spelling out both sides of the argument as per Venice Commission rules.

Sadly, whilst the UK government clearly embraced many of the principles of the Venice Commission code, these rules, in line with the advisory status of the referendum, aren’t legally binding, so the government is unfortunately at liberty to choose to ignore another highly relevant Venice Commission rule:

Which calls into question the whole legality of the referendum, let alone blithely carrying on regardless.

This is more for the benefit of other FMs.

Mick 10-02-2019 20:18
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35982878)
The leaflet was a legal requirement of the Referendum spelling out both sides of the argument as per Venice Commission rules.

Sadly, whilst the UK government clearly embraced many of the principles of the Venice Commission code, these rules, in line with the advisory status of the referendum, aren’t legally binding, so the government is unfortunately at liberty to choose to ignore another highly relevant Venice Commission rule:

Which calls into question the whole legality of the referendum, let alone blithely carrying on regardless.

This is more for the benefit of other FMs.
All irrelevant. A Democratic process took place, it must be enacted.

Pierre 10-02-2019 22:24
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35982820)
I don't see how Brexit helps these local factories though. We've already seen Nissan reduce their investment and even if you don't think Brexit was the prime motivation it's worth pointing out that it's now easier for them to trade with the EU from Japan than it is the UK. Adding tariffs to imports and exports is not going to encourage outside investment from outside the UK, we're not making this a cheaper country with which to do business until such a time that we make up all the existing trade access we've got now.

Dyson is an advocate of leaving but when it comes to business he isn't investing in post-Brexit Britain either.

People blamed the EU for globalisation (which obviously it is ultimately part of) but these are processes that are happening anyway.

If people were (rightly) angry at previous governments for letting these things happen then what will happen to those who sold Brexit as a way to revitalise British manufacturing? And when it comes down to it how confident are you that the governments of the future will focus on those industries as opposed to the banking sector when it comes to trade deals with the United States and the rest?
Why do peopykeep on thinking that the economy was a key factor in the result.............it wasn’t

Sephiroth 11-02-2019 06:45
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35982820)
I don't see how Brexit helps these local factories though. We've already seen Nissan reduce their investment and even if you don't think Brexit was the prime motivation it's worth pointing out that it's now easier for them to trade with the EU from Japan than it is the UK. Adding tariffs to imports and exports is not going to encourage outside investment from outside the UK, we're not making this a cheaper country with which to do business until such a time that we make up all the existing trade access we've got now.

Dyson is an advocate of leaving but when it comes to business he isn't investing in post-Brexit Britain either.

People blamed the EU for globalisation (which obviously it is ultimately part of) but these are processes that are happening anyway.

If people were (rightly) angry at previous governments for letting these things happen then what will happen to those who sold Brexit as a way to revitalise British manufacturing? And when it comes down to it how confident are you that the governments of the future will focus on those industries as opposed to the banking sector when it comes to trade deals with the United States and the rest?
All this navel contemplation is pointless. 52% of those voting in the referendum, having heard/read both sides' arguments, voted to leave the EU.

The rest of the bleating is point less and those trying to thwart the Referendum outcome are anti-democratic. The UK is big enough to make its own way in the world as do all the other countries not in the EU.

Angua 11-02-2019 07:20
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35982899)
Why do peopykeep on thinking that the economy was a key factor in the result.............it wasn’t
Mostly it was to poke in the eye to the government for not listening.

Meanwhile, the reason the referendum was held was just to hold the Tories together.
We will crash out of the EU on 29th March just to stop the Tories losing council seats.

None of which is anything to do with the EU, who oddly enough most MPs of all shades prefer.

Hugh 11-02-2019 08:59
Re: Brexit
 
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d...TM_1Imag_CR1_2
Quote:
A 20 per cent drop in the value of the pound might not be “such a bad thing”, David Davis has claimed as he called for a tax-cutting no-deal budget.

The former Brexit secretary urged Philip Hammond, the chancellor, to draw up tax and spending changes to create a “pro-business, pro-trade, pro-environment” Brexit in the spring.

Writing for The Times Red Box politics site, Mr Davis brushed aside “another doom-laden growth forecast” from Mark Carney, the Bank of England governor, which downgraded predictions for this year from 1.7 per cent to 1.2 per cent.

“If we must leave without a deal then so be it and we can cut our tariffs to zero to help manage short-term disruption,” Mr Davis said.

He argued that a sharp fall in the value of the pound could be a good thing. “Analysts predict that in the event of no deal, sterling could fall by over 20 per cent,” he said.

“Is this such a bad thing? Our goods will become 20 per cent more competitive on the global market and our EU competitors’ goods would be less competitive.” However, it would cost Britons holidaying in Europe much more, while companies importing from Europe would face increased costs.

nomadking 11-02-2019 09:26
Re: Brexit
 
If instead of the Remain side saying that Sterling would fall, they said it would rise, then it would rise, instead of fall.


The markets follow the prediction, NOTHING ELSE. If the prediction is that it will fall, then they have to sell as quickly as they can to get the best price. Guess what happens when they sell? The price of Sterling goes down making it FALSELY look as though the prediction was right. It was the ANTICIPATION of a fall that created the fall. Not only that, but once the price has bottomed out, they can buy back Sterling at a LOWER price, thereby ending up with MORE money than they started out with.

Damien 11-02-2019 10:15
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35982918)
If instead of the Remain side saying that Sterling would fall, they said it would rise, then it would rise, instead of fall.


The markets follow the prediction, NOTHING ELSE. If the prediction is that it will fall, then they have to sell as quickly as they can to get the best price. Guess what happens when they sell? The price of Sterling goes down making it FALSELY look as though the prediction was right. It was the ANTICIPATION of a fall that created the fall. Not only that, but once the price has bottomed out, they can buy back Sterling at a LOWER price, thereby ending up with MORE money than they started out with.
Sterling is not Bitcoin.

If this were true that sterling would have eventually recovered in the two years following the vote as people would think the underlying value of the currency is stronger than the speculators think. It didn't.

Speculation is only part of what drives currency and stock markets. There are other types of investors who make longer term bets and valuations of what they're buying. The currency market itself is also driven by the performance of the underlying economy and the companies within it, the economic policies of the central bank/government in charge of it and the confidence people have in the stability of the government.

It's hard to precisely value a currency, people a look more experienced than us find it hard to do, but it's just not all random speculation. Some of it is but those people do short term bets.

jonbxx 11-02-2019 10:33
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35982914)
Quote:
A 20 per cent drop in the value of the pound might not be “such a bad thing”, David Davis has claimed as he called for a tax-cutting no-deal budget.

The former Brexit secretary urged Philip Hammond, the chancellor, to draw up tax and spending changes to create a “pro-business, pro-trade, pro-environment” Brexit in the spring.

Writing for The Times Red Box politics site, Mr Davis brushed aside “another doom-laden growth forecast” from Mark Carney, the Bank of England governor, which downgraded predictions for this year from 1.7 per cent to 1.2 per cent.

“If we must leave without a deal then so be it and we can cut our tariffs to zero to help manage short-term disruption,” Mr Davis said.

He argued that a sharp fall in the value of the pound could be a good thing. “Analysts predict that in the event of no deal, sterling could fall by over 20 per cent,” he said.

“Is this such a bad thing? Our goods will become 20 per cent more competitive on the global market and our EU competitors’ goods would be less competitive.” However, it would cost Britons holidaying in Europe much more, while companies importing from Europe would face increased costs.
Yes, David, our exports will become 20% more competitive. However, the UK is not a primary manufacturer, we need to import parts and raw materials to make finished goods and they will be 20% more expensive. Let's also ignore the tariff and non-tariff trade barriers too...

ianch99 11-02-2019 12:30
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35982914)
Quote:
Writing for The Times Red Box politics site, Mr Davis brushed aside “another doom-laden growth forecast” from Mark Carney, the Bank of England governor, which downgraded predictions for this year from 1.7 per cent to 1.2 per cent.
UK economic growth slowest since 2012

Quote:
The UK economy expanded at its slowest annual rate in six years in 2018 after a sharp contraction in December.

Growth in the year was 1.4%, down from 1.8% in 2017 and the slowest rate since 2012, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said.
Can someone tell Mr Davis?

Carth 11-02-2019 12:49
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35982928)
Can someone tell Mr Davis?
Can someone tell ianch99 that the worlds economies are also not very stable either ;)

Mick 11-02-2019 13:01
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35982928)



Can someone tell Mr Davis?
You need telling yourself - You post as if it's all to do with Brexit and nothing else - it isn't.

You do know there is a German Recession?

Also....
  • Ireland is in trouble, Italy also in recession. these are EU Member States..... No comment on these troubling times in the corrupted EU and it's economic bubble ???
  • No comment on the absolute dire youth unemployment in Greece, not far off 50%?!?!?!?!
  • And the corrupted EU appears to be doing bugger all about it.
  • No comment on Protesters in France having their hands blown off by Macron's heavy handed tactics at the weekend, I've seen footage of old people being beaten around the head by heavy handed police forces, some vehicles with the EU flag on, is this what the EU represents, utter disgusting violence being levied against it's citizens in a perfectly legitimate democratic process???

It is not looking at all rosy in the disgusting and corrupted, dictatorship EU, at the moment.

Anti-EU Sentiment is rising sharply. As it should for the Anti-Democratic and corrupted EU.

RichardCoulter 11-02-2019 13:43
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35982919)
Sterling is not Bitcoin.

If this were true that sterling would have eventually recovered in the two years following the vote as people would think the underlying value of the currency is stronger than the speculators think. It didn't.

Speculation is only part of what drives currency and stock markets. There are other types of investors who make longer term bets and valuations of what they're buying. The currency market itself is also driven by the performance of the underlying economy and the companies within it, the economic policies of the central bank/government in charge of it and the confidence people have in the stability of the government.

It's hard to precisely value a currency, people a look more experienced than us find it hard to do, but it's just not all random speculation. Some of it is but those people do short term bets.
When I asked my accountant and Financial Adviser what the likely outcome would be to the pound in the event of a no deal Brexit, both said that, in reality, nobody knows.

As a result, they are advising people to hedge their bets.

ianch99 11-02-2019 14:38
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35982930)
Can someone tell ianch99 that the worlds economies are also not very stable either ;)
Bless. You do know that you can tell me yourself?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35982933)
You need telling yourself - You post as if it's all to do with Brexit and nothing else - it isn't.

You do know there is a German Recession?

Also....
  • Ireland is in trouble, Italy also in recession. these are EU Member States..... No comment on these troubling times in the corrupted EU and it's economic bubble ???
  • No comment on the absolute dire youth unemployment in Greece, not far off 50%?!?!?!?!
  • And the corrupted EU appears to be doing bugger all about it.
  • No comment on Protesters in France having their hands blown off by Macron's heavy handed tactics at the weekend, I've seen footage of old people being beaten around the head by heavy handed police forces, some vehicles with the EU flag on, is this what the EU represents, utter disgusting violence being levied against it's citizens in a perfectly legitimate democratic process???

It is not looking at all rosy in the disgusting and corrupted, dictatorship EU, at the moment.

Anti-EU Sentiment is rising sharply. As it should for the Anti-Democratic and corrupted EU.
What on earth do you mean by "No comment on Protesters in France having their hands blown off"? Very strange ..

Do you think repeating "corrupted EU", "dictatorship EU", etc. ad nauseam really moves the debate forward?

RichardCoulter 11-02-2019 14:53
Re: Brexit
 
Thought i'd share some advice I received today.

If we leave the EU without a deal, passports will have to have at least six months left before expiry or travel will be refused.

If the EHIC card ceases to be valid, insurance prices will go up as, apparently, the benefits of free/reduced price health treatment are factored in when insurance prices are calculated.

Chris 11-02-2019 15:06
Re: Brexit
 
All true, but at the same time that has all been fairly widely discussed in here and in the media recently.

Having six months left on your passport is the normal rule. Only within the Schengen area is it reduced to one month or less. It is convenient if your passport happens to be coming to its end but in the context of a 10 year lifespan, for most people, most of the time, it makes little practical difference.

As far as travel insurance goes, yes, it’s true that insurers currently rely on the provisions of the EHIC to keep their costs down. When you fall ill while travelling within the EU they expect you to rely on your EHIC and for that reason they will not normally cover you for any medical expenses that are covered by the EHIC. Worth remembering, however, is that in most places state medical provision involves co-payment or pay-and-claim, and you only get the same state medical cover as a resident of the country would be entitled to. If the UK entirely withdraws from the EHIC system then yes, you will have to have travel insurance to cover any and all costs, and that is inevitably going to cost more. However, I’d argue that what you end up with, for a near-trivial increase in the overall cost of your holiday, is a far more comprehensive medical cover than you get with the EHIC.

This to me illustrates one of the central follies of the continuing remain campaign against leaving the EU (or else leaving softly, in name only). The increase in cost and inconvenience in terms of travelling within the EU is minor, and only affects those who actually travel. Most people don’t travel overseas, or do only rarely. The ones who do so regularly and face maximum inconvenience are the ones best able to afford it and most able to do the admin.

Polly Toynbee railing against Brexit because it makes it harder for her to visit Tuscany isn’t a good look when large swathes of impoverished communities in this country, who voted Leave, can only dream of that sort of luxury.

jfman 11-02-2019 15:17
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 35982923)
Yes, David, our exports will become 20% more competitive. However, the UK is not a primary manufacturer, we need to import parts and raw materials to make finished goods and they will be 20% more expensive. Let's also ignore the tariff and non-tariff trade barriers too...
Someone should tell David Davis the pound is presently down 20% from it’s 5 year high in 2015. Manufacturing hasn’t took off.

Hugh 11-02-2019 15:49
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35982944)
Thought i'd share some advice I received today.

If we leave the EU without a deal, passports will have to have at least six months left before expiry or travel will be refused.

If the EHIC card ceases to be valid, insurance prices will go up as, apparently, the benefits of free/reduced price health treatment are factored in when insurance prices are calculated.
Posted on the 2nd February in this thread... ;)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35981762)
Heads up for anyone going on holiday or work in the EU (except Ireland) and Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway, and Switzerland after March 2019, if we have a "no deal" Brexit - you will need to have six months left on your passport at the end of your travel, whereas currently you don’t.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/passport...e-after-brexit

This is neither pro or anti-Brexit, just trying to help people before the rush in April/May (if we have a ‘no deal’ Brexit when people realise they will need to get a passport sooner than they thought*).

*me, for instance, as up to today I thought my passport, which expires in October 19, would cover me for Barcelona in May, Italy in June, and Cyprus in September.

RichardCoulter 11-02-2019 16:23
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35982950)
Posted on the 2nd February in this thread... ;)
What's the current arrangement? Presumably all is well if your passport covers the duration of your stay??

Damien 11-02-2019 16:36
Re: Brexit
 
The passport thing isn't too bad. I thinking the fact EU-wide roaming is going is the bigger issue for me, it's been so useful the last few years where you don't have to switch off a bunch of stuff on the phone, ration map usage, try and make you're in a wi-fi spot when doing anything real only to get a £60 addition to the monthly phone bill anyway

jfman 11-02-2019 16:57
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35982960)
The passport thing isn't too bad. I thinking the fact EU-wide roaming is going is the bigger issue for me, it's been so useful the last few years where you don't have to switch off a bunch of stuff on the phone, ration map usage, try and make you're in a wi-fi spot when doing anything real only to get a £60 addition to the monthly phone bill anyway
What actually happens with mobile networks will be unclear. Vodafone included some roaming prior to the EU rule coming into force, and their existing free roaming zone includes Turkey which has a Vodafone network.

As Telefonica O2 and Vodafone operate across the Eurozone I don’t think they will go back to charging. They may offer a limited data allowance instead of the full UK allowance.

Sephiroth 11-02-2019 17:00
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35982940)
<SNIP>

Do you think repeating "corrupted EU", "dictatorship EU", etc. ad nauseam really moves the debate forward?
I'll add "perfidious", "hegemonic" and "awful" to Mick's list. You need reminding.

The Remainers' constant stream of Project Fear material certainly doesn't take the debate forward.

Hugh 11-02-2019 17:01
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35982956)
What's the current arrangement? Presumably all is well if your passport covers the duration of your stay??
It does - but if we have a "no deal" Brexit, it won't cover any of my trips (as it will have less than six months).

I will be renewing it this weekend, that way I won't have any concerns (having paid for the flights, GP tickets, and accommodation for the Barca trip, it would be silly to put those at risk).

jonbxx 11-02-2019 17:07
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35982933)
You need telling yourself - You post as if it's all to do with Brexit and nothing else - it isn't.

You do know there is a German Recession?

Also....
  • Ireland is in trouble, Italy also in recession. these are EU Member States..... No comment on these troubling times in the corrupted EU and it's economic bubble ???
  • No comment on the absolute dire youth unemployment in Greece, not far off 50%?!?!?!?!
  • And the corrupted EU appears to be doing bugger all about it.
  • No comment on Protesters in France having their hands blown off by Macron's heavy handed tactics at the weekend, I've seen footage of old people being beaten around the head by heavy handed police forces, some vehicles with the EU flag on, is this what the EU represents, utter disgusting violence being levied against it's citizens in a perfectly legitimate democratic process???

It is not looking at all rosy in the disgusting and corrupted, dictatorship EU, at the moment.

Anti-EU Sentiment is rising sharply. As it should for the Anti-Democratic and corrupted EU.
  • Germany isn't in recession - it has had one bad quarter, mainly due to low car sales. Annualised growth is about the same as the UK at 1.1%
  • Italy isn't in recession either though that's closer with two bad quarters
  • Irelands GDP growth last quarter was 4.5x the UKs. Annualised growth is the same. Growth in Ireland is softening due to some troublesome neighbours
  • Greeces youth unemployment is bad but it's nowhere near 50%. Greeces GDP growth is 5x the UKs. Annualised, it's still twice the UK

RichardCoulter 11-02-2019 17:23
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35982962)
What actually happens with mobile networks will be unclear. Vodafone included some roaming prior to the EU rule coming into force, and their existing free roaming zone includes Turkey which has a Vodafone network.

As Telefonica O2 and Vodafone operate across the Eurozone I don’t think they will go back to charging. They may offer a limited data allowance instead of the full UK allowance.
It was on the news today that only two of the networks will continue with free roaming and that there's no guarantee that this will continue indefinitely.

Anyone affected would be better off buying a local PAYG SIM card than paying roaming charges.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35982964)
It does - but if we have a "no deal" Brexit, it won't cover any of my trips (as it will have less than six months).

I will be renewing it this weekend, that way I won't have any concerns (having paid for the flights, GP tickets, and accommodation for the Barca trip, it would be silly to put those at risk).
Yes, I think i'd do the same. Presumably if someone had two weeks left and travelled before 11pm on Brexit day, they would be ok for their fortnights holiday??

Hugh 11-02-2019 17:42
Re: Brexit
 
Not a risk I would take (flights get delayed...)

ianch99 11-02-2019 17:44
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35982964)
It does - but if we have a "no deal" Brexit, it won't cover any of my trips (as it will have less than six months).

I will be renewing it this weekend, that way I won't have any concerns (having paid for the flights, GP tickets, and accommodation for the Barca trip, it would be silly to put those at risk).
My password quite aptly expires on Brexit Day. I will be renewing it the week before on principle after returning from Madrid on the March 25th :)

RichardCoulter 11-02-2019 17:50
Re: Brexit
 
I wonder if those who renew their passports early simply lose out on what they have paid for, or if the unexpired portion is added onto the new passport??

ianch99 11-02-2019 17:53
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35982963)
I'll add "perfidious", "hegemonic" and "awful" to Mick's list. You need reminding.

The Remainers' constant stream of Project Fear material certainly doesn't take the debate forward.
You can add all sort of silly names if you wish :) It doesn't remind me of what you may think it should :p:

Ah, the "Project Fear" comfort blanket again. Denial is no plan I am afraid.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35982975)
I wonder if those who renew their passports early simply lose out on what they have paid for, or if the unexpired portion is added onto the new passport??
I think there was a recent change so people will lose any unexpired part:

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-a8535346.html

Hugh 11-02-2019 18:00
Re: Brexit
 
£75.50* for ten years, £7.55 a year, around £3.80 loss for the six months I have left on my current passport - I’m not worried about something that is the price of a pint of beer.

*if done online.

1andrew1 11-02-2019 20:03
Re: Brexit
 
The Standard nails today's economic news which saw the UK economy shrink in December.
Quote:
We’ve detected a pattern. In the immediate aftermath of the referendum, every anecdote and business story — such as the decision of Nissan to continue with plans to build its new car model in Sunderland — was cheered as proof that “Project Fear” had been baseless.
Then, as the difficulties mounted and businesses became more vocal with their fears, we were told that while Brexit would be a “disruption” it wouldn’t be “the end of the world” — as if the avoidance of Armageddon was supposed to be a positive outcome.
But now, as the economic data shows the evidence of their political folly, and car makers retreat, what do we hear? Nothing.
The silence of the Brexiteers on days like this tells us all we need to know.
https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/c...-a4063326.html

Chris 11-02-2019 20:10
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35983003)
The Standard nails today's economic news which saw the UK economy shrink in December.

https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/c...-a4063326.html
Poor George Osborne really hasn’t got over it has he.

1andrew1 11-02-2019 20:21
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35983005)
Poor George Osborne really hasn’t got over it has he.
He's not had time with his 10 jobs.
But The Evening Standard makes a valid point.

Chris 11-02-2019 20:26
Re: Brexit
 
It isn’t an impersonal entity called the evening standard making a point - it’s an editorial, written (or commissioned) by the editor - one G. Osborne. That tells us all we need to know. ��

Hugh 11-02-2019 20:27
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35983005)
Poor George Osborne really hasn’t got over it has he.
Don’t believe he’s in charge of the ONS...

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/gross...todecember2018

1andrew1 11-02-2019 20:45
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35983010)
It isn’t an impersonal entity called the evening standard making a point - it’s an editorial, written (or commissioned) by the editor - one G. Osborne. That tells us all we need to know. ��
Not entirely. Newspaper's editorial approaches are usually somewhat more complex. Take the left-wing The Mirror with right-winger Piers Morgan once its editor as one example.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35983012)
Don’t believe he’s in charge of the ONS...

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/gross...todecember2018
Put your glasses on Hugh, and read that press release again. ;)

Pierre 11-02-2019 20:47
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35982962)
What actually happens with mobile networks will be unclear. Vodafone included some roaming prior to the EU rule coming into force, and their existing free roaming zone includes Turkey which has a Vodafone network.

As Telefonica O2 and Vodafone operate across the Eurozone I don’t think they will go back to charging. They may offer a limited data allowance instead of the full UK allowance.


https://www.gov.uk/government/public...no-brexit-deal

denphone 11-02-2019 20:49
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35983015)
Not entirely. Newspaper's editorial approaches are usually somewhat more complex. Take the left-wing The Mirror with right-winger Piers Morgan once its editor as one example.
Piers Morgan a man who like to hear his own voice and to put it bluntly is a utter egoistic prat.

Chris 11-02-2019 20:54
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35983015)
Not entirely. Newspaper's editorial approaches are usually somewhat more complex. Take the left-wing The Mirror with right-winger Piers Morgan once its editor as one example.
As someone who used to write Op-Ed ... I know. ;)

I also know that the Standard’s editorial line is being closely managed by its editor, former chancellor and, apparently, still major butthurt sufferer, George Osborne. You may be assured that for Osborne, this is deeply personal and anything the Standard offers an opinion on that is in any way related to Brexit has either been written by or commissioned and signed off by him personally.

Mr K 11-02-2019 20:59
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35983021)
Piers Morgan a man who like to hear his own voice and to put it bluntly is a utter egoistic prat.
You're an excellent judge of character Den :D

Mick 11-02-2019 21:17
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 35982966)
  • Germany isn't in recession - it has had one bad quarter, mainly due to low car sales. Annualised growth is about the same as the UK at 1.1%
  • Italy isn't in recession either though that's closer with two bad quarters
  • Irelands GDP growth last quarter was 4.5x the UKs. Annualised growth is the same. Growth in Ireland is softening due to some troublesome neighbours
  • Greeces youth unemployment is bad but it's nowhere near 50%. Greeces GDP growth is 5x the UKs. Annualised, it's still twice the UK
I don't know what news information you've been following but you're wrong on all those points.

It's been in the news this last few weeks, Germany is already there in recession territory, Italy also - Ireland's economy would crash under a No Deal Brexit, so it's not good at all.

I stand by what I say and believe it to be true and it's about time you realised that. :rolleyes:

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35983005)
Poor George Osborne really hasn’t got over it has he.
Exactly, so it's all Fake News coming from the Standard. ;)

jonbxx 12-02-2019 09:54
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35983028)
I don't know what news information you've been following but you're wrong on all those points.

It's been in the news this last few weeks, Germany is already there in recession territory, Italy also - Ireland's economy would crash under a No Deal Brexit, so it's not good at all.

I stand by what I say and believe it to be true and it's about time you realised that. :rolleyes:

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Exactly, so it's all Fake News coming from the Standard. ;)
OK, I am going by the definition of recession being two successive quarters of negative GDP growth so here are the numbers;

Germany
One quarter of negative growth - https://tradingeconomics.com/germany/gdp-growth
Full year GDP growth 1.5% - https://tradingeconomics.com/germany/gdp-growth-annual
Data from German Federal Statistical Office

Italy
OK, now in recession :-)
Two quarters of negative growth - https://tradingeconomics.com/italy/gdp-growth
Full year growth 1% - https://tradingeconomics.com/italy/gdp-growth-annual
Data from Italian National Institute of Statistics

Ireland
Last quarter 0.9% growth - https://tradingeconomics.com/ireland/gdp-growth
Full year growth 4.9% - https://tradingeconomics.com/ireland/gdp-growth-annual
Data from Central Statistics Office Ireland

Greece
Youth unemployment rate 39.1% - https://tradingeconomics.com/greece/...mployment-rate
Last quarter GDP growth 1% - https://tradingeconomics.com/greece/gdp-growth
Annualised growth 2.2% - https://tradingeconomics.com/greece/gdp-growth-annual
Data source National Statistical Service of Greece

United Kingdom
GDP growth 0.2% - https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/gdp-growth
Annualised growth 1.3 % - https://tradingeconomics.com/united-...-growth-annual
Data source Office for National Statistics

Note that some of the data has moved since Yesterday so I apologise for the Italy figures and the comparison with the UK will have moved slightly with the Q4 results.

RichardCoulter 12-02-2019 17:00
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35982980)
£75.50* for ten years, £7.55 a year, around £3.80 loss for the six months I have left on my current passport - I’m not worried about something that is the price of a pint of beer.

*if done online.
This suggests that you will have the unexpired part added onto your new passport*.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...rexit-13834666

But some people should have done it 15 months before Brexit, i'd look into this Hugh in case it messes up your holidays.

*Edit: Just seen Ians post, which says that this has been dropped, however, if you renewed it early last time, this could have consequnces as per the link.

jfman 12-02-2019 22:23
Re: Brexit
 
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...r-a-long-delay

It’s going to be a long 45 days.

Angua 12-02-2019 23:15
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35983119)
May's arrogance in assuming the EU would even sanction a long delay is bizarre. All this just to stop some Tories losing council seats.

1andrew1 13-02-2019 00:11
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35983120)
May's arrogance in assuming the EU would even sanction a long delay is bizarre. All this just to stop some Tories losing council seats.
I think the EU would probably sanction it. It's less disruptive to them, they'll get a financial contribution and it increases the chances - albeit only slightly - of the UK never leaving. And EU companies' investments in the UK like Airbus and BMW won't be marked down in value.
Question is would the UK Parliament vote for an extension?

Angua 13-02-2019 06:52
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35983122)
I think the EU would probably sanction it. It's less disruptive to them, they'll get a financial contribution and it increases the chances - albeit only slightly - of the UK never leaving. And EU companies' investments in the UK like Airbus and BMW won't be marked down in value.
Question is would the UK Parliament vote for an extension?
Why? They have already stated they have no wish to extend A50 beyond early June due to the EU elections. They need to know we wish to remain part of the EU to continue beyond June, or all they will get is a load of anti EU politicians from the UK disrupting things.

Instead, the rumblings from Scotland & NI are getting louder towards breaking away from England & Wales.

Damien 13-02-2019 12:20
Re: Brexit
 
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...road-kc38hn3mr

Quote:
Ford has become the latest carmaker to sound the alarm over Brexit, saying that it is stepping up preparations to move production out of Britain.

The business, which has 13,000 staff in the UK, told the prime minister on a private call with business leaders that it was preparing alternative sites abroad.

ianch99 13-02-2019 12:50
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35983145)
How is this not Project Fear? Serious question. For those who want Brexit at all costs, this will mean nothing to them and for those who have said this all along, you just add it to the pile.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35983125)
Why? They have already stated they have no wish to extend A50 beyond early June due to the EU elections. They need to know we wish to remain part of the EU to continue beyond June, or all they will get is a load of anti EU politicians from the UK disrupting things.

Instead, the rumblings from Scotland & NI are getting louder towards breaking away from England & Wales.
A number of people have said that Brexit can lead to parts of the Union breaking away.

Sinn Fean seem to think that it is a good time to crawl out from what cave they have been hiding in to get on the Brexit bandwagon:

https://www.derrynow.com/news/sinn-f...nane-td/267780

Quote:
“Finally, the people of the north must be given a say in their own future – either it is with an isolated and inward–looking Britain or it is with a reunified Ireland. Brexit puts a border poll – a referendum on Irish unity – firmly on the agenda.


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Looks like the "narrative" that the Tories plain messed up the ferry contract has some validity:

Government sued over no-deal ferry contracts

Quote:
The government is being sued for its decision to charter firms to run extra ferries, including one with no ships, in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

Channel Tunnel operator Eurotunnel, said the contracts, revealed after Christmas, were decided in a "secretive and flawed procurement process".

The move comes days after Seaborne, one of the firms chosen, had its contract axed after its funding fell through.

nomadking 13-02-2019 13:07
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35983145)
They were talking about doing that around 40 years ago.

papa smurf 13-02-2019 13:13
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35983151)
They were talking about doing that around 40 years ago.
Well they've got 44 days to get it done before brexit.

djfunkdup 13-02-2019 13:54
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35983152)
Well they've got 44 days to get it done before brexit.

If they work weekends it's 44 yea ,Otherwise its 33 working days until Brexit ;)

jonbxx 13-02-2019 15:45
Re: Brexit
 
Good exclusive from the Super Soaraway Sun with a slide from DfIT on the state of play for trade deals signed and need to be signed before the end of March - https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/stat...45062882942976

Hugh 13-02-2019 16:35
Re: Brexit
 
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8777766.html
Quote:
Brexit: Government admits it has 'run out of time' to find ships to bring emergency supplies after no-deal

Officials have admitted they have “run out of time” to find ships to bring emergency supplies after a no-deal Brexit, following the Seaborne Freight fiasco.

No further “large amount of further additional capacity” will be available across the Channel before the end of March, MPs were told – by either sea or rail.

The admission follows the embarrassment of the cancelled contract handed to Seaborne – a firm with no ships – which has sparked calls for Chris Grayling, the transport secretary, to be sacked.

“It would not be possible to complete procurement and make it operational for 29 March,” the department for transport’s director general admitted.

1andrew1 13-02-2019 20:12
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35983146)
How is this not Project Fear? Serious question. For those who want Brexit at all costs, this will mean nothing to them and for those who have said this all along, you just add it to the pile.
I suspect that quite a few of those who want it at all costs are not very economically active (pensioners/between jobs/very low-paid jobs whom it can't get any worse for) or are well-off speculators who will cleverly use it to make a killing.

Carth 13-02-2019 22:04
Re: Brexit
 
Ford have been cutting back for years, much of it bugger all to do with Brexit.

They used to make all JLR engines until JLR built their own factories to produce their own engines.

As with other motor companies, they also see Diesel engines as a lost cause now too, electric engines are all the rage . . not sure where those are produced . . Romania?

1andrew1 13-02-2019 22:15
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35983182)
Ford have been cutting back for years, much of it bugger all to do with Brexit.

They used to make all JLR engines until JLR built their own factories to produce their own engines.

As with other motor companies, they also see Diesel engines as a lost cause now too, electric engines are all the rage . . not sure where those are produced . . Romania?
Agreed they've downsized over the years and have lost the JLR contract.
The latest announcement is Brexit-related though and seems to be a statement of intent in the case of no deal.

Angua 14-02-2019 07:27
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35983183)
Agreed they've downsized over the years and have lost the JLR contract.
The latest announcement is Brexit-related though and seems to be a statement of intent in the case of no deal.
Who can blame them. Pointless producing more than the local market needs.

GDP on manufactured goods will suffer reduced exports.

RichardCoulter 14-02-2019 14:51
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35983167)
I'm glad I have been going against Government advice and stockpiling food & medicine.

What an incompetent shower these ministers have turned out to be.

The chairman of Tesco, John Allan, has tweeted to say that if we leave without a deal, we'll be alright if we're "happy to live on spam and canned pesches"!

denphone 14-02-2019 15:12
Re: Brexit
 
l quite like the odd tin of spam.:)

daveeb 14-02-2019 15:17
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35983204)
l quite like the odd tin of spam.:)
Dried eggs and chicory coffee too, maybe some delicious cakes sweetened with carrot...i don't know what people are worrying about :erm:

heero_yuy 14-02-2019 15:19
Re: Brexit
 
It's all a capitalist conspriacy to make you buy more product you don't need that will go off and be thrown away whilst fattening the bottom line of the big supermarkets. :D

papa smurf 14-02-2019 15:39
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35983204)
l quite like the odd tin of spam.:)
Ooh no not even if was starving.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35983201)
I'm glad I have been going against Government advice and stockpiling food & medicine.

What an incompetent shower these ministers have turned out to be.

The chairman of Tesco, John Allan, has tweeted to say that if we leave without a deal, we'll be alright if we're "happy to live on spam and canned pesches"!
Be prepared dib dib.

RichardCoulter 14-02-2019 17:18
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35983206)
It's all a capitalist conspriacy to make you buy more product you don't need that will go off and be thrown away whilst fattening the bottom line of the big supermarkets. :D
Well, i've bought canned products, so if there doesn't turn out to be any shortages, it won't go to waste.

1andrew1 14-02-2019 19:46
Re: Brexit
 
Another step back for the "Strong and stable government"
Quote:
Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has called on the prime minister - who did not take part in the debate - to "admit her Brexit strategy has failed".
Tory Brexiteer rebels abstained, saying the government's motion implied a no-deal Brexit would be ruled out.
Ministers said that was not the case but defeat would make life more difficult for the PM in EU talks.
https://news.sky.com/story/live-ther...rexit-11637081

Arthurgray50@blu 14-02-2019 21:57
Theresa May must resign
 
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexi...cid=spartandhp

With this defeat tonight. Theresa May must go to the country with a General Election.

More and more companies are moving out of the UK as the thought of a No Deal with effect every worker in the country.
The emergency services will be on red alert.

The only saddest thing is that Jeremy Corbyn doesn't have the bottle to run the Country - and l am a Labour voter.

Theresa May must let the country decide again. Other she is going to be forced out. And that will mean a General Election:(

TheDaddy 14-02-2019 22:12
Re: Theresa May must resign
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35983234)
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexi...cid=spartandhp

With this defeat tonight. Theresa May must go to the country with a General Election.

More and more companies are moving out of the UK as the thought of a No Deal with effect every worker in the country.
The emergency services will be on red alert.

The only saddest thing is that Jeremy Corbyn doesn't have the bottle to run the Country - and l am a Labour voter.

Theresa May must let the country decide again. Other she is going to be forced out. And that will mean a General Election:(
Great idea, hold a general election with 43 days is it left till we leave, outstanding idea, it'll give the new leader a matter of hours to renegotiate, anyway this is what you voted for Arthur, bit late having buyers remorse now

denphone 15-02-2019 05:29
Re: Theresa May must resign
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35983234)
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexi...cid=spartandhp

With this defeat tonight. Theresa May must go to the country with a General Election.
Well she has already been defeated 17 times in this parliament Arthur so another one won't make much difference.;)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ity_government)

arcimedes 15-02-2019 10:08
Re: Theresa May must resign
 
I am worried that I seem to be agreeing with Arthur! Although I would prefer it if she just resigned.

denphone 15-02-2019 10:13
Re: Theresa May must resign
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by arcimedes (Post 35983239)
I am worried that I seem to be agreeing with Arthur! Although I would prefer it if she just resigned.
If she resigns the chaos is likely to ensue even more.

papa smurf 15-02-2019 10:15
Re: Theresa May must resign
 
If she resigned who would replace her?

Carth 15-02-2019 10:22
Re: Theresa May must resign
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35983241)
If she resigned who would replace her?
I'd vote for Chris :D :D :D

denphone 15-02-2019 10:24
Re: Theresa May must resign
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35983243)
I'd vote for Chris :D :D :D
l can think of someone better.;):D

Carth 15-02-2019 10:24
Re: Theresa May must resign
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35983245)
l can think of someone better.;):D
Mick was first choice, but thought I'd give everyone a fighting chance ;)

denphone 15-02-2019 10:25
Re: Theresa May must resign
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35983241)
If she resigned who would replace her?
Someone who could unite them but then again that is a pretty well impossible job.

mrmistoffelees 15-02-2019 10:27
Re: Theresa May must resign
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35983236)
Great idea, hold a general election with 43 days is it left till we leave, outstanding idea, it'll give the new leader a matter of hours to renegotiate, anyway this is what you voted for Arthur, bit late having buyers remorse now

:clap:

Gavin78 15-02-2019 11:13
Re: Brexit
 
I saw post as part of an article about how Europeans see Brexit - Mr Omtzigt, the chief Brexit planner in the Dutch parliament, said: "You would expect a country that has run an empire to be able to do planning one, two or five years ahead because that is what you did when you had an empire.

"And now, before a crucial day, we are only two months less and still haven't taken a decision - let alone do implementation."

I agree with his statement, Brexit has shown how weak our country has become we have become reliant on other countries making day to day decisions for us and now people are scared to go it alone.

We need to stand upto the bullies in Europe because well the truth is they are more reliant on us than we are them cracks are showing they say we are playing a bad game but I think Europe is playing a bigger game perhaps TM knows this and is playing it.

All I know is empires fall and the EU will be the next one we just need to hold out a while longer I'm wondering if the EU will break down in the final hour?

Carth 15-02-2019 11:29
Re: Brexit
 
Decision making has become a nightmare, not only for those in politics but those who need to manage situations at their work place.

I'm sure I won't be the only one on here who has made a decision, and accepted responsibility for it, just to be shot down in flames because it goes against some small minority view or stance that has the 'potential' to cause problems further down the line.

While decision makers run around in circles trying to appease everyone . . nothing is actually getting done :dozey:

nomadking 15-02-2019 11:31
Re: Brexit
 
The issues nowadays are much varied and complex. Plus we have a dearth of 5th columnists determined to sabotage anything and everything.

Hugh 15-02-2019 11:56
Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35983263)
The issues nowadays are much varied and complex. Plus we have a dearth of 5th columnists determined to sabotage anything and everything.
People saying "but have you thought about the impact of that" are not "5th columnists", and saying they are is just trying to inflame things.

We live in a democracy where dissent should be welcomed, not suppressed by using emotive and derogatory language.

nomadking 15-02-2019 12:11
Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35983271)
People saying "but have you thought about the impact of that" are not "5th columnists", and saying they are is just trying to inflame things.

We live in a democracy where dissent should be welcomed, not suppressed by using emotive and derogatory language.
Disrupting and obstructing the democratic vote, ie Brexit, by every underhand trick, ARE the actions of a 5th column.
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A fifth column is any group of people who undermine a larger group from within, usually in favour of an enemy group or nation. The activities of a fifth column can be overt or clandestine.
Would these things be tolerated in the event of a Labour government? If you want something to fail, you can not only actively do something, you can NOT do something that you should.



The EU has, and still is, constantly given the impression we are just going to roll over.

1andrew1 15-02-2019 12:24
Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35983271)
People saying "but have you thought about the impact of that" are not "5th columnists", and saying they are is just trying to inflame things.

We live in a democracy where dissent should be welcomed, not suppressed by using emotive and derogatory language.
Nomadking said a dearth of fifth columnists which means a scarcity of fifth columnists so I'm totally confused by his argument!

RichardCoulter 15-02-2019 13:19
Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35983261)
Decision making has become a nightmare, not only for those in politics but those who need to manage situations at their work place.

I'm sure I won't be the only one on here who has made a decision, and accepted responsibility for it, just to be shot down in flames because it goes against some small minority view or stance that has the 'potential' to cause problems further down the line.

While decision makers run around in circles trying to appease everyone . . nothing is actually getting done :dozey:
This should tell you that you need to take a more holistic view of matters when making managerial decisions.

Often, it's down to ignorance as opposed to malice when decisions are made that would disproportionately impact minority groups, so these people are actually helping management to reach the correct decision.

A good example of this was when we had a new office door installed. The mechanism for the code to gain entry was placed halfway down because they wanted to try & make the workplace more accessible to wheelchair users and dwarfs. It was done with good intentions, but because they hadn't actually discussed this with disabled people, it had to be changed as some disabilities prevent people from bending down.

It was resolved by issuing everbody with key fobs and placing two readers at eye and waist level. A quick consultation with disabled representatives would have saved management time, money & embarrassment.

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I saw on the BBC news last night that Germany had said that they would "feel the pain of the UK leaving the EU, but that they would always put Europe first".

I'm assuming that they were referring to trade deals.


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