Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Hi All, I am an old Offshore Radio Pirate/Free Radio supporter and it has suddenly struck me that this old Pirate related music could have the words altered to suite our cause? -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLBq6Vu9KC4

Best to all, davethejag

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Congrats to all .. threads just gone past 500 pages!!

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I Spy For The BTi ;)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

My MP submitted a question to the Home Office and today I recieved a letter with the response. I've typed it out below:

Home Office
The Rt Hon Tony McNulty MP
Minister of State

Dear Serials MP

Thank you for your letter of 21 April to Vernon Coaker on behalf of Serial, who contacted you to express concern about targeted online advertising and the use of that technology by internet service providers. I am replying as the Minister responsible for the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 (RIPA) which provides for the lawful interception of communications and the criminal offence of unlawful interception.

The Home Office has considered the issue of Targeted Online Advertising in general without specific regard to any particular application such as the one you mention. The Home Office came to the conclusion that it might be possible for Targeted Online Advertising services to be lawful under RIPA. It might also be the case that Targeted Online Advertising is delivered in a way that is not considered as interception as defined by RIPA. It does rather depend on how those services are offered and how they work. I should point out that we are, of course, unable to provide a definitive statement of the law, which only a court could give.

The Home Office does not take forward investigations or prosecutions under RIPA. The Investigatory Powers Tribunal investigates complaints about the alleged use of interception when conducted by state bodies such as the Police and Security Service, but does not investigate commercial companies. Any investigation of a complaint against a company for breaching RIPA legislation would need to be taken up by the police.

The Information Commissioner's Office has provided a view that Targetted Online Advertising could operate in a way that is in compliance with the Data Protection Act, but that he is keeping the targeted online advertising products under review and will be strongly influenced by the experience of those users who choose to participate in any trials and the way in which they are able to make that decision to participate.

Tony McNulty

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

So the ICO waits to see what the 10,000 carefully selected 'vegetables' will say.

Figures..

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Don't forget this:

http://www.clickz.com/showPage.html?page=3629297

For the upcoming trial Adam Liversage, BT's chief press officer said:

"We won't know who any of the users are, so any feedback we receive is likely to be the customers choosing to do so through our forums,"

Note, this means anyone in or out of the trial can post feedback in the forums and BT can't distinguish.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I think they missing the point that BT did a covert trial not once but twice without the consent of those involved in the two trials, so why are they not looking into them never mind the new trail.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

He'll need a translator to exchange 'grunt' into English first. ;)


Reminds me of that old spitting image sketch. Thatcher and the cabinet sat around a large dinning table.

Waitress: "what would you like?"

Thatcher: "I'll have the steak.., raw"

Waitress: "What about the vegetables?"

Thatcher: "Oh they'll have the same"

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Whats happening with the 80/"0 Video's ? Did the dog eat the tape or some other poor excuse come out i have not seen.


Mr Hanff any joy getting the unedited BBC footage of kent being, well kent ?


Simon @ 80/20 phorm will ruin your reputation I do hope they paid you enough.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Useless berk. Any excuse not to do anything. Who voted for these morons?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

No I never bothered to ask for it, I can't see them giving it to me.

[deleted text I misread original post]

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

So it doesn't matter if it's illegal, let's just wait and see if there is any perceived outcry. I hope the EC gives the ICO a right old rollicking at some point. I am getting very angry with this lacklustre Government. This is an absolute disgrace the way the Government is handling this.

Phorm is illegal!

START LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC GORDON BROWN! THE BUCK STOPS WITH YOU!

They are so deep inside their ivory towers they have not got any clue what's going on in the real world.

Let us all make sure there is one hell of an outcry!

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I think we need to organise an official demo at some point over the summer, in London outside BT HQ.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I'm in..

why no go to the OIX partners?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

It's amazing that MPs kicked up such a huge stink when they felt we were invading their privacy when a DPA request was made into their expense claims. Look how much trouble they took to try and stop it.

Yet when we try and stop our privacy being breached, they pass the buck and do sod all.

You wonder what the point is sometimes.

OB

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I'd be in if someone wants to provide beer and a bed. :D

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

..the point is there is no alternative but fight justly from within the established rules of the system..

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

This would be a good day for a demo.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I'm in London, so I'd go. Count me in.

Sorry, mate, should have phrased that better.

I meant the point of having these people who are supposed to be working for us, when they clearly don't.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

by far the easyest way is to write it up, and PM Mick (or one of the other mods, i think they also have rights to add it on that news page) the copy, chat and add or edit it there to include any breaking news, then have him/them put it up..

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

...most wont have time.. sadly thats the system.
..and the reason I have spoiled so many ballot papers :D

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

OK the BT AGM sounds like the perfect date for a demo and the Barbican is easy to get to. We will need to organise this properly because we need to get as many people there as possible or it will have zero effect.

I can try and get press and media coverage through my contacts (I don't think it will be a problem) and I will see if I can get some people like Richard Clayton to turn up and do a "soapbox" speech, make it a day long event.

If we are going to do this we are going to need a "team" to help organise it all, it certainly isn't something I can do on my own.

So lets get started on the organising.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

one equation for you...

numbers = impact

I'll commit to bringing 20 with me.. Even If I have to pay their travel and rope in my family.. We all switched from BT and live in London..

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I've just done some analysis for Rob on the webwise.bt.com contact page. It seems they were setting a Netegrity Siteminder Session ID cookie, and other cookies with Rob's email address and date of last visit.

That falls foul of PECR Regulations (regulation 6). Proud to say Dephormation's logging feature captured the cookies, and the redirections :) which would provide evidence to support any complaint.

BT have since changed their www.webwise.bt.com and webwise.bt.com contact pages. They now link to a form on the bt.custhelp.com site (run by IBM in the UK).

Which - of course - if you had the right legal advice in the first place a change wouldn't be necessary.

Has anyone heard or seen the ICO lately?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

He's waiting in the wings to hear talking vegetables.. Complain!

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Oh boy. I feel another letter to my MP coming on...

Dear (my MP)

In a response to a question from a member of the public, The Rt Hon Tony McNulty MP, Home Office Minister of State said in written reply that the Information Commissioner "Is keeping the targeted on-line advertising products under review and will be strongly influenced by the experience of those users who choose to participate in any trials and the way in which they are able to make that decision to participate."

The ICO should ensure that individuals who understand the technicalities of the implementation of any system to deliver targeted advertising are offered the opportunity to take part in such trials. Would you please check if this will be the case?

Furthermore, it is important that the ICO take actions to ensure that individuals are invited to take part who are conversant with the legalities surrounding the running of a system to deliver targeted advertising. Would you ask if this will be the case also?

I feel that this latest information does warrant further questions at a time when BT are continuing to state that they intend to run trials of a system with 10,000 selected customers. We should assume that the 10,000 will indeed be selected, and that selection will exclude the customers whom they know dislike the fact that they have already sought to deceive the public on numerous occasions.

Yours...

Or words to that effect. It will be sent out tomorrow. Of course I doubt that the ICO would do the above, but maybe they might write to the ISPs and tell them to ensure it is not so carefully selected in their own favour?

Hank

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

and he has failed to even conceptualize or address website owners copyright and consent. ;D

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

ok first press release on the demo has just been sent out. So I am moving on this. A website will be setup on www.nodpi.org in the next week which will cover the event. I am going to try and get Dr Clayton, Mr Bohm and a Non Phorm ISP representative to give guest speeches at the event. I might even see if the Earl of Northesk would be willing to come out and show support and if I can find a contact for him, Sir Tim.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Are you saying that they fell foul of PECR but have now sorted it by moving to the IBM UK managed service? Or is your analysis that they are falling foul, even now, with this new set up?

It's absolutely shameful that they've now changed the set up after again being caught in the wrong. When oh when are they going to hold their hands up and tear the agreement with Phorm for Webwise in half?? (ok, maybe not with their hands up at the same time, unless they want to make a positive PR stunt out of it LOL)

Hank

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Yes - in my analysis of Robs log - they broke PERC Reg 6. They set the following cookies;

btcom.userName = (email address)
btcom.dateVisited = (date of visit)
SMSESSION = (Netegrity site minder encrypted cookie)
.. plus a couple of Java and PHP session cookies.

By setting such cookies without specifying their purpose or allowing a user to refuse storage they broke PERC Reg 6. The Netegrity Siteminder cookie is particularly interesting; I believe it contains encrypted user details and could be intended for 'federated identity management' (ie, allowing you to be identified across a range of sites).

Then they covered it up by scrapping the contact form, and linking to IBM UK bt.custhelp.com instead.

Pete

PS As for their new contact form, if someone wants to make a complaint using the new forms (using the Dephormation logging feature) ... send me a PM and I'll review the results.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Currently trying to drum up interest and secure my own attendence to this.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

To follow on from there, he says in the very next paragraph down,

Liversage also made it clear the tests were unrelated to customer perception. "This test is not a customer referendum," he said. "It is simply to ensure that the technology works correctly."

So if the customers are going to have nothing to do or say about the test why are they bothering to publicise it this time and how will we find out if it was successful or not? Or, as they have shown so far, they just don't care!

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

not so much lost focus, just one of many small diversions while we wait on the main events, its all interrelated and theres a place for everyones view here.

http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16069

http://techliberation.com/2008/05/22...-manipulation/
"Tunneling your way around ISP traffic manipulation"

http://www.vnunet.com/computing/news...es-web-4026764
"Misinformation tangles the web

The credibility of the web may suffer due to junk information
Written by Neon Kelly

Computing, 29 May 2008
The spread of false or misleading information on the internet could damage its usefulness as an information tool, according to worldwide web creator Sir Tim Berners-Lee.

Content, rather than infrastructure, will be a major hurdle for the development and use of the web, said Berners-Lee speaking at the Innovation Edge Conference in London last week. “The web works fine, but the society you get on it can be one that you like or one that you don’t,” he said.
"

the lack of high quality Anti DPI (phorm and the Phormettes ,NebuAd ,etc)Interception For Profit video Content and other PR material on the web to point to and help educate and inform the masses ATM is worrying.

this content production is something many readers here, the world over, can help re-balance if they make the time and effort.

after all, not everyones a news writer, or court records employee adept and able to look up the Public domain records of any and all the BT,Phorm related executives past US/UK records and or dealing with the court system references to find copys of this PD information ;)

BTW, this aproach does/can have some very interesting results, as was made clear in the old Amiga court cases etc for bringing interesting facts and documents and other details to light if this aspect of the fight interests you as a reader of the thread :angel:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Hey we should collaborate on the timings, you stage your demo at the BT HQ while me and Stephen Mainwaring are planning to climb the BT Tower dressed as Batman and Robin.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2008/05/9.jpg

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

OK emails sent to Mr Bohm, Dr Clayton, Earl of Northesk. Also posted on the Enta forum on thinkbroadband.com

Just waiting for a PM back from someone with regards to setting up the site on nodpi.org

Alexander Hanff

---------- Post added at 21:36 ---------- Previous post was at 21:31 ----------

I have a response from a non Phorm ISP representative already expressing an interest in attending as a guest speaker. Try to keep up ;p

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

The ICO "will be strongly influenced by the experience of those users who choose to participate in any trials and the way in which they are able to make that decision to participate."

Erm... so, how will the ICO be influenced if they can't ask the customers because no one knows who they are? I suppose the extremely low number of complaints because 10,000 is not many will help the ICO draw a conclusion that no one cares? Or maybe they will care enough to complain and surprise the ICO.

Hank

---------- Post added at 21:44 ---------- Previous post was at 21:40 ----------


Heck Alex! I haven't checked my diary yet. What was the date for the event? It's pages back I think :)

Hank

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Sir Tim has been emailed regarding the event now too.

Alexander Hanff

---------- Post added at 21:45 ---------- Previous post was at 21:44 ----------

July 16th 2008

I don't mess about you know, when I am onto something I move quickly hehehe.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I wonder if Channel 5 and in particular the Gadget show would be interested, especially after their piece on it last week.

I've also written to my MP again expressing my disgust at the governments inaction on this issue. I have also told him I have already been in touch with Mrs Reding and enclosed a copy of her mail.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

...And Channel 4 News as a follow up to their Emma interview... and Breakfast News as a follow up to their Emma interview? And BBC Click too maybe? Amazing how many have followed up on this story already.


Annoying that I will be nearer Aberdeen than London for the BT Group plc 2008 Annual General Meeting held at 10.30am on Wednesday 16 July at the Barbican centre,Silk Street London, EC2Y 8DS :(


Does anyone have a chronological unbiased list of events since this Phorm thing started? Radio 5 Live wants any ideas for business stories to report on. The fall in shares and the reasons behind it certainly make for an interesting story. Go to BBC 5 Live web page and submit on the Contact Us form there (Wake Up To Money is on Monday to Friday and us on the slot before 6am)

Hank

Re: BT Protest IRL
 

OK, I'd like to help spread the word. How about a paragraph of text people can cut and paste around the interweb?

Please include time, date, purpose, etc.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I don't think this is related to the temporary problem yesterday or affects anyone on this forum, but just in case it does.

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcast-Hacked-94826

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Ah - there we go.

One problem: 10:30am on a Wednesday is not the best time for a protest. It's fine if you want to stick to the AGM timetable, but far fewer people will show up on a weekday, especially when it's not even lunch hour. Trust me, I've been to many protests in my life. Weekday protests are always *much* smaller. Please consider this.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

The plan is to make it an all day event. We will need to get some bodies there around 10am to catch BT shareholders on the way in. I am hoping to start the speeches around lunchtime.

Alexander Hanff

---------- Post added at 22:26 ---------- Previous post was at 22:22 ----------


Facebook event link

Alexander Hanff

---------- Post added at 22:35 ---------- Previous post was at 22:26 ----------

k I have 1 confirmed guest speaker so far. Not a bad start :)

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Don't forget the people inside the AGM.

I know Florence has plans and there is Richard Hawkins' kind offer. I think this may have been touched on several weeks ago, but is there a deadline for submitting written questions to the AGM?

If it's on the agenda, it presumably gets sent out to all attendees, so the question would need to be well phrased to attract their interest (or worry about their investment).

Does having a written question preclude a verbal one at the meeting? A question submitted a month earlier may not take into account the latest developments. There may need to be coordination between questioners.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

non BT CF members can join the BT run messageboard if you want to also post there BTW, expect any unpopular posts to be edited or deleted though by the BT Employees.

http://www.beta.bt.com/bta/forums/me...ID=23873#23873
"Peter N http://www.beta.bt.com/bta/forums/im.../03-silver.gif
http://www.beta.bt.com/bta/forums/pe...r/48.png?a=101 Re: BT Webwise Discussion Thread
Posted: May 29, 2008 2:44 PM http://www.beta.bt.com/bta/forums/images/up-10x10.gif in response to: R Jones http://www.beta.bt.com/bta/forums/im...eply-16x16.gif Reply
I tried to keep an eye on C/F but I keep getting deja vu from seeing my own posts reworded.

A quick look today shows the link I posted to Ian Livingstone's pay deal and even someone using the "Le-le-legal" gag that I wrote here. I only posted these last night and there's a number of prolific "contributors" over there who seem to get all of their info by reading this thread and then claiming the ideas as their own. Come on chaps - give credit or try to be original.

There's nothing wrong with posting across the forums to get fresh input but just trawling for ideas and then claiming them without due credit is no better than what Phorm want to do.

I'm glad that there are a couple of people here who post points from C/F onto this forum cos it saves me having to wade through all of the rest of it. Thankfully the info from C/F that gets posted here seems to be properly credited and linked.

In a way, closing the original threads on this forum did us a favour. There's far more useful info on here now and a lot less of the waffle and very few "Yeah dude!" postings that are fillers on the C/F forum.

I'd say that this thread has been more mature as a result and there has been a constant flow of ideas and relevent discussion and I'm proud of what we've done so far and I'm more than proud to be associated with everyone who contributes here.
I do not pay BT to spy on my family."

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Hi Alexander Don't forget that you must coordinate with the Police these days, or you may end up in prison, sorry to put a damper on it!

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Actually, I just spoke to someone about that (someone with a knowledge of these things) and apparently it is not required but it is seen as the polite thing to do. But don't worry I will be notifying the police in due course it was one of the first things I added to the todo list when I had the idea.

Alexander Hanff

---------- Post added at 22:50 ---------- Previous post was at 22:44 ----------

OK Jason from UKFSN is confirmed as one of the guest speakers for the event.

Details on UKFSN can be found here.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Emailing police
 

I'm having an email exchange with the police right now. They wish to know the exact section of the RIPA Act which I allged BT have broken. Can someone please quote the relevant passages?

They also won't accept Emma Sandersons admission on Channel 4 as evidence, since they claim it would not stand up in court. Does anyone have access to a statement by Emma Sanderson or otherwise some other kind of proof that the illegal trials took place?

Thanks!

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

indeed ;)

BTW that bt.custhelp.com url IP was interesting the other day, an internal NTL/VM cable network server ip infact.

http://www.beta.bt.com/bta/forums/me...ID=23586#23586
Posted: May 27, 2008 10:53 PM
"
"
R Jones wrote:
Following my complaints about the difficulty involved in finding out information about Webwise through the official BT sites such as BTYahoo Help pages and the search box on www.bt.com I was referred by the moderator to the bt.custhelp.com "Help and Support" pages, which include the Ask Emma facility [img]Download Failed (1)[/img]

Although a customer seeking information on Webwise from BT might not immediately think of the Support tab on www.bt.com it does return one hit when asked about webwise. (that's the site hosted by rightnowtech/NTLInernet - 81.110.142.41, Registrant: RightNow Technologies 40 Enterprise Blvd Bozeman, MT 59718 US Domain Name: RIGHTNOWTECH.COM)

Just for the record - that site is giving out either wrong or out of date information and does not appear to have been modified at all in the light of the developments of the last month.

snip, snip

Come on BT, the quality of this information is awful.
Aren't you embarrassed?"

david P said:
interesting, i happen to have access to an NTL/Virgin Media cable network....

the pings are appalling right now (due to STM DPI kit probably)but.
tracert 81.110.142.41
1private,
2 <********* >dont want to
3 <369 ms 208 ms 176 ms >give anything away
4 224 ms 339 ms 266 ms bagu-t3core-1b-ge-017-0.inet.ntl.com http://195.182.179.185
5 132 ms 215 ms 233 ms lee-bb-b-so-130-0.inet.ntl.com http://80.5.161.157
6 132 ms 120 ms 245 ms pop-bb-a-as1-0.inet.ntl.com http://213.105.175.130
7 277 ms 200 ms 197 ms popl-t3core-1a-so-000-0.inet.ntl.com http://213.105.174.233
8 47 ms 41 ms 37 ms popl-lam-2-pos000.inet.ntl.com http://62.255.81.42
9 356 ms 259 ms 302 ms 62.255.94.54
10 223 ms 214 ms 20 ms vipuk01.rightnowtech.com http://81.110.142.41

Trace complete.

and this is also very interesting, so many companys custhelp services dependant on a single NTL/VM IP address staying up if nothing else....

the NTL hardware is suprisingly good at staying up, i just hope the peered gateways are far better at latency than the direct internal NTL/VM home customers are getting ATM from the Baguley NW headend [img]Download Failed (1)[/img]

http://www.yougetsignal.com/tools/we...on-web-server/
Remote Address :81.110.142.41
Found 131 domains hosted on the same web server as 81.110.142.41.

airtours.custhelp.com
aqa-examiners.custhelp.com
aqa-examsofficers.custhelp.com
aqa-metrics.custhelp.com
aqa-teachers.custhelp.com
asknet-de.custhelp.com
asknet-en.custhelp.com
athome.custhelp.com
bango.custhelp.com
basingstokeanddeane.custhelp.com
bathspa.custhelp.com
bbc-mca.custhelp.com
bca.custhelp.com
bogo.custhelp.com
bogous.custhelp.com
boylesports.custhelp.com
bt.custhelp.com
btbusiness-preview.custhelp.com
btbusiness.custhelp.com
btfleet.custhelp.com
btsupport.custhelp.com
btvoip.custhelp.com
btybb.custhelp.com
btydialup.custhelp.com
callmobile.custhelp.com
carrentals.custhelp.com
carrick.custhelp.com
cartesis.custhelp.com
ceridian-metrics.custhelp.com
ceridian.custhelp.com
ceridianuk.custhelp.com
charitycommission.custhelp.com
cm-flintshire.custhelp.com
cm-gwynedd.custhelp.com
comet.custhelp.com
congstar.custhelp.com
cornwall-metrics.custhelp.com
cornwall.custhelp.com
cumbria.custhelp.com
cusn.custhelp.com
de-bango.custhelp.com
denbighshire-en.custhelp.com
digidesign.custhelp.com
digitalmaidstone-metrics.custhelp.com
digitalmaidstone.custhelp.com
easycar.custhelp.com
ebay-de.custhelp.com
ebay-it.custhelp.com
ebay-uk.custhelp.com
edexcelexperts.custhelp.com
equilon.custhelp.com
eretail.custhelp.com
eretail2.custhelp.com
est.custhelp.com
flintshire-en.custhelp.com
flythomascook.custhelp.com
freedomdirect.custhelp.com
g4s-internal.custhelp.com
gps-nav.custhelp.com
gwynedd-en.custhelp.com
holidayautos.custhelp.com
imnetfr.custhelp.com
infoco-en.custhelp.com
innocentdrinks.custhelp.com
kabeldeutschland.custhelp.com
kaccess.custhelp.com
kerrier-dc.custhelp.com
kiddicare.custhelp.com
lastminute-france-french.custhelp.com
lastminute-italy-italian.custhelp.com
lastminute-spain-spanish.custhelp.com
lastminute-uk-english.custhelp.com
leicestershire.custhelp.com
marktplaats.custhelp.com
marktplaats4.custhelp.com
moj.custhelp.com
mojdg.custhelp.com
monster-uken.custhelp.com
mycashbackclaim.custhelp.com
mytravel.custhelp.com
naa.custhelp.com
nectarjaal2.custhelp.com
nepic.custhelp.com
ns.custhelp.com
o2online.custhelp.com
onlinesupport.nildram.net
optimal-se.custhelp.com
optimal-se2.custhelp.com
paddypower2.custhelp.com
photobox-en.custhelp.com
photobox-fr.custhelp.com
pioneer-customerrelations.custhelp.com
pioneer.custhelp.com
qca.custhelp.com
resfeber-denmark-danish.custhelp.com
resfeber-norway-norwegian.custhelp.com
resfeber-sweden-swedish.custhelp.com
rtcnorth.custhelp.com
sabmiller.custhelp.com
sedo-de.custhelp.com
sedo-de1.custhelp.com
sedo-fr1.custhelp.com
sedo-int.custhelp.com
sedo-int1.custhelp.com
sedo-us.custhelp.com
sedo-us1.custhelp.com
service.transavia.com
solid-state-logic-en.custhelp.com
stoke.custhelp.com
sunrise.custhelp.com
support.freedom2surf.net
support.streamserve.com
support.take2games.com
tomtom-uk.custhelp.com
travelocity-india-english.custhelp.com
tsn.custhelp.com
tss.custhelp.com
uk-tiscali.custhelp.com
validis.custhelp.com
versatel.custhelp.com
virginatlantic.custhelp.com
voip.nildram.net
wag-cy.custhelp.com
wag-en.custhelp.com
warhammeronline.custhelp.com
www.123-support.co.uk
www.btsupport.net
www.nildram.net
www.webfusion-support.co.uk
www.webfusion-support.com
zuji-apac-english.custhelp.com

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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

OK, Alex, I've added your 'Press Release' to the Phormwatch website.

Keep up the good work.

Re: Emailing police
 

Your best bet is probably referring the Police to the legislation referenced by FIPR, and perhaps also drawing their attention to the opinion of FIPR.

FIPR concluded that there was;

• interception of communications, an offence contrary to section 1 of the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000
• fraud, an offence contrary to section 1 of the Fraud Act 2006
• unlawful processing of sensitive personal data, contrary to the Data Protection Act 1998

You could also mention the criminal liability under paragraph 107 and 110 of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 (given that BT Directors must have been aware they were copying material marked with copyright by owners who have the *exclusive right* to distribute copies).

To quote "UK Intellectual Property Office";

"Copyright applies to computing and the internet in the same way as material in other media. For example, any photographs you place on the internet will be protected in the same way as other artistic works; any original written work will be protected as a literary work, and so on."

Is this IPCC you're in dialog with, or the Police?

Why wouldn't Emma Sandersons TV confession stand up in court? What could be a more flagrant admission? Seems Police are absolutely determined to ignore this if they possibly can, and we mustn't let them.

PS Sorry Alexander. This is your turf ;) You can add something too I bet. Computer Misuse Act etc.

Re: Emailing police
 

look at the register, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02/29/phorm_roundup/, if not alex might be able to get some info from chris williams at the register

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

And to the http://www.inphormationdesk.org home page just after "What you can do".

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Oh yeah, because standing up and admitting to doing something on national television and across the national media is not actually any kind of proof that you did it.

I agree with Dephormation here - it's quite clear that the police don't want to investigate this, possibly because it won't fill quotas or some such.
It'll be nice when the police realise that we don't part with our hard-earned through hefty taxes so they can investigate things that they want to, but things that the public want them to.

Re: Emailing police
 

would some email exchanges do? Like a paragraph that allegedly said: (hypothetically speaking)

............... (rest sent in private message)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

BT CUSTOMERS BEWARE

Do not log into the BT site, then visit any Phorm/third party operated web site with a *.bt.com subdomain;

eg
webwise.bt.com
www.webwise.bt.com

BT.com seem to be using a Siteminder security system that sets one or more cookies in the bt.com domain (potentially including your email address, and a security credential which authenticates you to BT.com).

A third party able to impersonate your IP address may be able to access your account details using a copy of the same security credential (SMSESSION cookie) revealed by your browser. Cookies affected;

SMSESSION = (Netegrity site minder encrypted cookie)

A Phorm/third party web site may have access to your email address (even if you do not enter that email address into any contact forms). Cookies affected;

btcom.userName = (email address)
btcom.dateVisited = (date of visit)

If my analysis is correct (I'd appreciate independent confirmation by a BT subscriber with Netegrity Siteminder knowledge, or sufficient tech insight to confirm the presence and configuration of the cookies manually) this is a very serious privacy and security flaw.

Re: Emailing police
 

Thank you all for the helpful info. I'm collating your posts/info and will again write to the police shortly.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I've referenced this post over on BT Beta forums.

My new tag when communicating with BT/Phorm

"We're watching you, watching us"

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I'll get the 16th July off work tomorrow, so people better show up :)

Also I'm a member of the Barbican so I get 15% off in Barbican cafés, restaurants and bars.
I guess I'll be buying myself a lot of food and beverages ;)

More good news, http://www.donottrustwebwise.org has it's first win. I have a TalkTalk customer who is now looking for a new ISP. Amazing how these webs weave.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Regarding the Police, perhaps we need to put together an 'information pack' which includes the appropriate legal sections, the various legislative answers (EU commision, Serial's reply, reply to the Earl of Northesk's question etc), which state that it is a Police responsibility. In short, everything the police would need to proceed.

We use this to make a mass complaint on the first day of the BT trials. (Maybe wait a day or so to try to get information about the ongoing trial?)

We complain about the BT trials in the past and that we have good reason to believe the crimes may be ongoing.

Also, if they fail to respond, given the responses from the various government bodies, we will complain to the IPCC.

Given the Phorm share price, they must be on to BT every hour to start the trial. BT legal bods must be pressing to delay it to try to cover as many issues as possible. We all know about the mistakes that BT make.

EDIT : Anyone know about the BT Unions stance on this? Would they have concerns that their members may be asked to break the law?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

That is exactly what I thought, already working on my reply :)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Actually, we could make that an Event for the AGM Protest. We can collate all the necessary materials, and then all walk to the nearest police station. It'd be a serious media coup.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

My thought was to do it in hundreds of Police Stations all across the country at the same time. :) When they 'phone up to to get advice, all the lines will be engaged.

It may be better to get in touch with the Computer Crimes Unit though. Anyone know if all forces have these, or just the big ones?

Phormwatch, a good idea though if we have still got nowhere. A big symbolic march to the local nick in front of the media!

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

had a look and found the cookies, logged on to the forum then went to bt.com typed in, clicked at home then clicked login and up pops my a/c without re inputting the login details if thats what you looking for.

Re: Emailing police
 

You should be able to find all the criminal breaches in my dissertation. I don't have time to quote them all at the moment as I am working on the final paper of my degree (due in tomorrow) but if you need any more assistance I will try and put some stuff together tomorrow.

Alexander Hanff

---------- Post added at 01:45 ---------- Previous post was at 01:41 ----------

We should put together a big file and then march down to the Met at the end of the protest (preferably with a paper petition too with signatures collected at the protest) and hand them the whole file, the petition and ask them for a crime reference number in front of the crowd and press/media.

Possibly a good way to end the protest at the end of the day I think.

Alexander Hanff

---------- Post added at 01:46 ---------- Previous post was at 01:45 ----------

I can try and get a response from the CWU (Communications Workers Union).

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

The Metropolitan Police have a Computer Crimes Unit and I think Avon & Somerset still have theirs but most other regional forces only have access to Computer Forensics. In 2001, 43 Regional Police Hi-Tech Units were created but due to performance related budget cuts (they weren't making enough arrests or convictions) by 2006 almost all of these had been dismantled and amalgamated into / replaced by the Serious and Organised Crime Agency (SOCA), a multi-role goon squad in comparison, loosely based on the FBI, and most of the HTCUs original function was lost.

Terrorism is sexy – computer crime doesn't even come close.

Is this the real reason why they are hesitant to investigate? The police will need to build enough of a case to present to the Director of Public Prosecutions who decides whether there's a good chance of the crown winning a court case which will cost the taxpayer millions. Reduced availability of technical expertise to front line officers is going to severely hamper that process.

Astonishingly, currently most regional forces would not even be able to search eBay for stolen goods...

:rolleyes:

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

OK the march from the Barbican to the nearest met police station is 1.5 miles (Charing Cross Police Station on the Strand). We should be able to walk straight down Fleet Street and The Strand to get there, which is somewhat convenient for press coverage :)

Alexander Hanff

---------- Post added at 03:28 ---------- Previous post was at 02:40 ----------

Some more info.

The BT Centre (BT HQ) is just down the road from the Barbican (and enroute almost to the Met Police).

So as I am hashing this together in my head, I propose the following:

Stage 1: 10:00 - End of AGM
Protest starts outside the Barbican until the AGM finishes. Hopefully this will be sometime around lunchtime.

Stage 2: 12:00 - 14:00
Guest speakers. It would be ideal to have this outside the Barbican because I expect it gets quite a lot of foot traffic during lunch time.

Stage 3: 14:00 - 16:00
Protest outside BT Centre.

Stage 4: 16:00 - 17:00
March to Charing Cross Metropolitan Police Station via Fleet Street and The Strand. Once there we hand over the case file and a petition, requesting a crime reference number and an official statement on whether or not they intend to investigate.

During all stages there will be a petition available for people to sign, demanding that the Metropolitan Police investigate the covert trials of 2006/2007 under RIPA, Computer Misuse Act, Fraud Act. This petition will be supplemented with:
Dr Richard Clayton's Technical Report
Mr Nicholas Bohm's Legal Report
Home Office statement saying it is the responsibility of the police
EU Commission Statement stating it is illegal
My Dissertation
Signed and witnessed statements from victims of the trials

We will put together some digital media for people to download and printout as fliers.

I will try and get some sponsorship from somewhere so we can hire a PA and Generator for the speeches. If not we will need to find someone with a PA and Generator who doesn't mind them being used for the event.

Placards are obviously going to need sorting out as well (so start getting your slogan ideas in).

I will send a formal letter to the Met next week telling them about the event and explaining it will be a peaceful protest from 10am - 6pm ending with a March from Newgate St. to Charing Cross Met Police Station. I will include a full itinerary with the letter.

That's how I envision the day going at the moment. I am happy to hear any suggestions people may have.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

i dont know if these mobile phone streaming services will work, but i thought id remind people that they exist, if you want to try and set one of them up if you have the right phones etc, and test them ready for use on the protest perhaps.

there may be some interesting bits of activity that are werth capturing for later reference or near realtime public video record of police refusal to give a crime No. etc.

OC mobile phone 14 FPS Video isnt great, but the sound quality for the qik service seems to show its good enough, so werth a go perhaps if your video camera battery gets drained with overuse

http://www.dailywireless.org/2008/05/19/7771/

http://www.comvu.com/comvu/Support.htm
talks about a 2007 beta but DW references it as though its still beta?...

http://qik.com/
seems to be functioning although again that makes reference to invites?
http://qik.com/blog
http://qik.com/info/faq

---------- Post added at 05:28 ---------- Previous post was at 05:11 ----------

http://usatoday.jiwire.com/wi-fi-wir...re-1250985.htm
Here are details on the Wi-Fi hotspot at Barbican Centre, Silk Street, London, England, GB,WiFi Zone - The Cloud.

interactive picture but heres the static pic from there
http://usatoday.jiwire.com/usatoday-...-default.image

---------- Post added at 05:34 ---------- Previous post was at 05:28 ----------

iv not looked very hard, but it seems if theres only the cloud there, then Fleet Street and The Strand will be a problem for laptop wifi connections.

3G mobile broadband will work OC but thats more restrictive and costs per Mbit usually...

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

The bt.com and the BT Beta forum login are the same anyway.

But even if you ARENT logged in to bt.com if you go to Webwise then it acccesses the BT login information and Pete is investigating how much of the cookie information may be getting sent to phorm.

We're watching BT watching us.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

BT CUSTOMERS BEWARE

To repeat last nights warning in plain English...Do not log into the BT site, then visit any Phorm/third party operated BT.com web site.

Sites Potentially Affected Include

webwise.bt.com
www.webwise.bt.com

Explanation

BT seem to be using a 'single sign on' product (called Siteminder) which allows you to log in once and gain access to any BT.com web site without being prompted for your user name or password. This is convenient, you sign on once and gain seamless access to all BT.com web sites.

During the login process cookie values are set for all BT.com web sites (cookies which include your email address, and a security credential which authenticates you to BT.com web sites).

Your browser will present those cookies to any BT.com web site trusting that those sites would not exist without BT consent. This will include BT.com web sites operated by Phorm/third parties outside BT's network, such as webwise.bt.com and www.webwise.bt.com.

This creates a security and privacy risk for the following reasons.

A security risk is created because an untrustworthy third party able to operate a BT.com web site, who is able to impersonate your IP address, and present a copy of your security credential, may be able to access your BT.com services and account details. This is called a replay/spoofing attack, a known security risk in single sign on solutions.

A privacy risk is created because a third party able to operate a BT.com web site has immediate access to your email address, whether or not you choose to enter that information. This allows third parties to link your email address and IP address simply by visiting their web site.

When Webwise/OIX is trialled, third parties would be able to link your email address, IP address and Webwise UID. If you delete your Webwise UID cookie, third parties would be able to link old/new Webwise UIDs knowing your email address.

Cookies Affected

SMSESSION = (Netegrity site minder encrypted cookie)
btcom.userName = (email address)
btcom.dateVisited = (date of visit)

Conclusion

By allowing Phorm to operate a *.bt.com web site... BT may be giving your email address, and security credentials away to Phorm.

Sites like bt.custhelp.com and bt.webwise.com will not be affected (because the browser will not recognise them as BT.com sites).

If my analysis is correct (I'd appreciate independent confirmation by a BT subscriber with Netegrity Siteminder knowledge, or sufficient tech insight to confirm the presence and configuration of the cookies manually) this is a very serious privacy and security flaw.

If I'm proved incorrect I will (of course) immediately post a retraction, but until you hear otherwise you may prefer to log out of BT.com before you visit webwise.bt.com or www.webwise.bt.com.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Do you mind if I copy this post to BT Beta forum AND send an email copy direct to Emma Sanderson (it should delay the trials again)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Not at all, the earlier this is confirmed (or denied) the better.

If I'm correct, the solutions BT need to implement are one of

Either

or

or


Pete

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

this morning the BT Webwise contact.php page
http://webwise.bt.com/webwise/contact.php
is redesigned with two submission options
for contacting or complaining!
Both now point with url links to contact forms on bt.custhelp.com locations which is different from yesterday where they were javascript and ended up with ww3.phorm.com via a webwise.bt.com location

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

They objected to the pages being reported as phishing and strongly denied this was the case. However the fact that they've changed them so quickly proves one thing: they know they were in the wrong.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

*CONFIRMED*

The btcom.userName/btcom.dateVisited/btcom.isLoggedIn are 'domain cookies' that will be sent to any *.bt.com web site... including webwise.bt.com and www.webwise.bt.com... revealing your email address to Phorm (simply by browsing the pages on webwise.bt.com/ www.webwise.bt.com).

I've asked Rob to do an additional test; I suspect btcom.userName cookie remains set even if you have logged out of bt.com... If so, this would make your email address almost unconditionally available to third parties such as Phorm if you have ever logged in to BT.com.

And presumeably it has been leaking email addresses for months.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I can confirm that a bt.com username cookie remains set AFTER I logout of bt.com. Currently I am only logged into and showing this one CF page, and my bt.com cookies are (FIREFOX)

btcom.dateVisited
JSESSIONIS_btPortalWebApp (contains encryped data)
btcom.isLoggedIn (says Yes)
btcom.userName (contains my email address for bt.com login- was supposed to expire five minutes ago - the time I logged off bt.com)
SMSESSION (says LOGGEDOFF)
JMSESSIONID_bta (contains encrypted data)
btcom.isLoggedIn (says No)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Keep your eye on El Reg today, a little birdie told me they may be posting a new Phorm article ;)

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

On the subject of spreading the word, has anyone got any contacts with the PC magazines?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Unbelieveable.

So in effect BT have merrily gifted Phorm a list of customer email addresses, enough information to spoof a login session, and for the avoidance of doubt a flag that tells Phorm whether or not the customer was logged in.

And even if you are diligent and log out of BT.com, your email address is still secretly provided to Phorm anyway.

While Kent Erfsfs was simultaneously assuring BT customers “We cannot know who you are or where you’ve been”.

Quite unbelieveable. And quite intolerable if you're a BT customer concerned about Phorm.

All this while claiming ehanced privacy and security.

Re: Emailing police
 

All you need to do it make a transcript of the Channel 4 interview and sign it as a witness. Get Pete John, Stephen Mainwaring and Alexander Hanff to sign a similar witness statement then the police will have to accept it as evidence of a crime.

here is the video you need to transcribe.
http://www.channel4.com/news/article...tomers/1933047




NOTE: I have examined "the evidence" myself and after some consideration I have concluded that it was not a rubber faced spitting image effigy of blotchy faced Emma, so we can eliminate it being a hoax. (and besides ITV are responsible for those rubber grotesques not Channel 4)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Hi All, Very busy again!! I do not know if anybody has posted this before but I have just seen it -

"Another tech stock whose bubble may have been burst is Phorm, the former 121Media. The group sells software that tracks user behaviour online to help advertisers target their message. But we think that a growing storm in the US about privacy and data protection could limit the market for this, and advised selling the shares at 1713p earlier this month"

Taken from here -


http://www.investorschronicle.co.uk/...OP-IC-TIPS.jsp

davethejag

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

what about the storm over here in the UK????

US coverage seems to be far less than over here, thanks to CF , el reg, badphorm etc

peter

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I always read the other el reg articles. It is surprising how many Phorm BT/Webwise comments you can add to other slightly related articles. I reckon I get in about two to three anti Phorm comments per week.

Re: Emailing police
 

Don't worry about this, I will soon have some evidence that the police will not be able to contest (by soon I mean next week). I can't give too many details at the moment, but rest assured, it is the golden egg.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Emailing police
 

Oh, now this should be interesting. :)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

On the subject of police inaction, would this work?

If a draught letter could be created that quote the relevant laws etc., then all people would have to do would be to put their own name and address on the top, hand it in at their local station, and get a crime number.

The more people who do that, the more unsolved crime numbers get added to the system..

They want to play by quotas? Let's use their own game against them.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

looking at the links for enquiring and complaining they are massive.

hxxp://bt.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/bt.cfg/php/enduser/cci/bt_afdpage.php?p_sid=d2aBjY4j&cat_lvl1=771&cat_lvl 2=989&p_cv=2.989&p_cats=771,989&p_param=p_afd_subj ect=BT%20Products%20and%20Services&p_afd_inc_route r=Kana&p_afd_kana_target=residential.services@bt.c om&p_afd_form_id=contactus_send_feedback_products& p_afd_customer_classification=enquiry&p_afd_custom er_category=Feedback%20Products&p_afd_cat_lvl1=&p_ afd_cat_lvl2=&p_afd_cat_lvl3=&p_source=helpandsupp ort

hxxp://bt.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/bt.cfg/php/enduser/cci/bt_afdpage.php?p_sid=jyDNmY4j&cat_lvl1=770&cat_lvl 2=980&p_cv=2.980&p_cats=770,980&p_param=p_afd_subj ect=My%20current%20service&p_afd_inc_router=Kana&p _afd_kana_target=residential.services@bt.com&p_afd _form_id=contactus_send_complain_service&p_afd_cus tomer_classification=complaint&p_afd_customer_cate gory=Complain%20Current%20Service&p_afd_cat_lvl1=& p_afd_cat_lvl2=&p_afd_cat_lvl3=&p_source=helpandsu pport

These are the kind of links I'd expect from a phishing site and would never click.

Re: Emailing police
 

Great to hear this. I'm glad the criminal prosecution angle hasn't lost its momentum. I'd also like to remind people that one of the people responsible for orchestrating BT's criminal wiretap is a guy called Stratis Scleparis who was the former BT Retail CTO. After Scleparis conspiracy to commit a criminal act he was employed as CTO of Phorm in order to overlook the continued criminal activities at BT on behalf of criminal Phorm CEO Kent 'rootkit' Ertugrul.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

It looks like this is the highly scientific evaluation mechanism for the trial. "We trialled 10000 users" (aka vegetables who opted in)

How many complaints did you receive per day about Webwise? (a few dozen maybe)

Conclusion: The trials were a great success and prove that the public want to be spied on.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I guess no matter what BT say, as the true facts come out and there is a better understanding by the general public about this, voting that counts will take place via people' feet as they take their custom elsewhere.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Thing about that if that is there evaluation is that in my view about 90% wont use the webforms they will base there critical findings on, and normal users (who dont know they are on any trial still as they were not inphormed) will be straight onto the indian help center who in turn will just dismiss it as such a case as mr mainwairing had and no doubt a good few others (i wonder how much volume of increased help calls were made during illegal trials) the indian help desk wont have been inphormed of such trials and even if they were how could they know that user was in the trial after all this is supposed to be anonymous is it not (insert sound of a crowd laughing at a phorm turd).

Dont forget this thing WILL cause a slower connection then the same indian call center will describe spyware,adware,router/modem problem, high traffic, over subscription take your pick really and thats before any ad injection, and if the customer help has been inphormed and they tell you to get in touch with another body or person/site for the trials such trials are no longer anonymous and these trials are then illegal yet again.

p.s does anyone know how the actuall illegal port scanning works on the phorm kit after all if im using this to connect to my favorite cs:source server on port 8881 or whatever as its going through the phorm kit before i reach my destination how does it identify this port from a simply http one without the redirects (or is the port creep similar to the function creep?).

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

While it's not Phorm related I must say I was impressed when I installed the Nintendo Channel on my Wii this morning. The channel gives you info, gameplay video's, DS Game demo downloads, the ability to leave feedback for games and general Nintendo related news.

During set up it asked me if I wanted to opt in or opt out of receiving info from game companies to my Wii Message board and sharing my gaming habits with Nintendo, it wouldn't proceed until I'd made a choice on both, it also informed me that by doing so I was revealing information etc.

Simple, but well implemented. Info on the opt in/out system on the channel can be found HERE with the more info on the info shared with Nintendo Here

Edit: The new Reg article is up :) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05...phorm_protest/

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

And would you believe that I just got a letter from BT asking if I'm satisfied with my cable provider?

Yes, of course, I'm going to swap a company that might implement major spyware for a company that has already implemented major spyware, and swap my 20mb cable for 8mb ADSL.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Is there a pre paid envelope for a reply? If so fill it with anti Phorm info, letters, flyers etc and pop it in the post to them :)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

:tu: Just visited inphormationdesk...the sample letters are well handy!

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Nice article by Chris, I think it will help promote the protest very well.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Alas, unlike the last credit card company to be spam-mailing me, they weren't stupid enough :(

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

is there not a return address? surely got to be worth the cost of a second class stamp to tell them a few truths:angel:

peter

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

There's a thought...

Which reminds me that I need to get some more stamps.


I had another idea - it's addressed to 'the occupier', so what if I just RTS it saying 'no longer at this address'? That'll confuse them :P

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I often use the Royal Mail online postage that lets you print stamps from home, comes in handy when I'm out of stamps and I'm sending out the paperwork for the arthritis charity.