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Rchivist 07-07-2008 23:34
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Another question which will no doubt join the long long list of BT SUQ's (Significantly Unanswered Questions)

What proportion of BT employees have been given a staff briefing paper on the Webwise project and the tie-up with Phorm? (percentage and absolute numbers helpful)

What proportion of those BT employees who have been fully briefed on Webwise, are in favour? (percentage and absolute numbers please)

Could the relevant union possibly conduct a survey?
Any BT employees in main union asked the union for information about such a survey? After all - Webwise is materially damaging BT's reputation more and more each day.

Azreal 07-07-2008 23:36
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07...se_frontporch/

Wildie 07-07-2008 23:37
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
we already done the webwise thing way way back in the threads if one googles webwise the first thing that pops up is the BBC webwise not bt so poeple will really be confused.

vicz 07-07-2008 23:37
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Breaking news on El Reg:

Quote:
Another American ISP has frozen its plans to embrace behavioral ad targeting.
Massillon Cable TV, an ISP serving roughly 30,000 people in the great state of Ohio, says it was preparing to roll out behavioral ad technology from Silicon Valley start-up Front Porch, but as Congress continues to scrutinize the privacy implications of such systems, Front Porch has asked the company to hold off.
Aaargh beaten again !

Peter N 07-07-2008 23:40
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wildie (Post 34594275)
we already done the webwise thing way way back in the threads if one googles webwise the first thing that pops up is the BBC webwise not bt so poeple will really be confused.
The only Phorm/ISP product is "BT Webwise" and typing that puts it top of the list.

GeoffW 07-07-2008 23:45
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
As another ex BT employee, I can add to the other comments that there will be intense pressure for those who are aiming to deliver the Webwise system to have it in trial by the time of the shareholders meeting so that the senior management can announce it's launched.

Hank 07-07-2008 23:54
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GeoffW (Post 34594292)
As another ex BT employee, I can add to the other comments that there will be intense pressure for those who are aiming to deliver the Webwise system to have it in trial by the time of the shareholders meeting so that the senior management can announce it's launched.
Well we dare them to do it!

Wildie 08-07-2008 00:02
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter N (Post 34594282)
The only Phorm/ISP product is "BT Webwise" and typing that puts it top of the list.
Peter, think for a min most if not all casual net users would simple google Webwise and when they do, up top is the BBC webwise, due to human nature they will not think there be more than one would they, bit like typing in ford and not the model and then ford, how many know how yo use google to narrow a search down.
we got too look after the not so clever net users they the ones who will be mislead not the likes of you and me. :angel:

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank (Post 34594296)
Well we dare them to do it!
if it fails they wont be looking good at the meeting will they with bad news

warescouse 08-07-2008 00:05
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wildie (Post 34594300)
Peter, think for a min most if not all casual net users would simple google Webwise and when they do, up top is the BBC webwise, due to human nature they will not think there be more than one would they, bit like typing in ford and not the model and then ford, how many know how yo use google to narrow a search down.
we got too look after the not so clever net users they the ones who will be mislead not the likes of you and me. :angel:
I think to get the best chance of better targeted ranking in Google we all should write WebWise/Phorm in that specific order whenever we mention it.

Florence 08-07-2008 00:09
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wildie (Post 34594300)
Peter, think for a min most if not all casual net users would simple google Webwise and when they do, up top is the BBC webwise, due to human nature they will not think there be more than one would they, bit like typing in ford and not the model and then ford, how many know how yo use google to narrow a search down.
we got too look after the not so clever net users they the ones who will be mislead not the likes of you and me. :angel:

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if it fails they wont be looking good at the meeting will they with bad news

Yes I know BBC webwise comes first as it has been around much longer and is there to help those who are inexperienced with IT and is used in schools with children.. Kent selected a name he knew would give an air of respectability to the con...... yes he is conning BT shame Ian and Emma are too blind to see....

Well lets try to get more mentions of webwise.....

---------- Post added at 23:09 ---------- Previous post was at 23:06 ----------

In sixth place
Quote:
WebwiseWebwise is provided by major Internet Service Providers in response to consumers’ ... Webwise can help protect you from suspected fraudulent “phishing” ...
www.webwise.com/ - 11k - Cached - Similar pages
maybe searching it and clicking on the ones we ned nearer the top will move it up...

Dephormation 08-07-2008 00:12
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
I've just overhauled Dephormation.org.uk ...

If we're in for a long haul, it might as well look cool. :cool: If things aren't sorted by the AGM, I'll put an SSL cert on the site to ease the FF3 pain.

So if you have a moment to spare, please let me know if you spot broken links. And if you're on BT corporate network, and you see a 'banned IP range' message please let me know. There is an, err, bug that may cause that to happen. I can't understand why at this moment, but will be up all night trying to fix it for you. :dozey:

Right, I'm off to bed for a sound night's sleep. Goodnight all.

Peter N 08-07-2008 00:14
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
I think (no really, I do it sometimes) that most casual net users will not even be looking up Webwise for any reason - BBC, BT, Phorm or any of the several thousand other companies and organisations using "webwise" or "web wise" in their product name or description.

Those looking up "Webwise" in relation to this issue will also look for Phorm as that is by far a higher profile word but even then it will hardly be a casual search.

It would be nice though to see this issue appear on the forst page of a Google search for spyware, security or other common search terms.

It is important to use all of the important phrases in these discussions and those familiar with the BT forums may remember that I asked members to include more references to Webwise to ensure that forum visitors are aware of the connection if and when the invitations to the trial are sent out. Bear in mind that the Webwise discussion thread is in the main section of the BT forum and there are a lot more people there posting across a number of forums and subjects related to BT who are likley to see the information.

warescouse 08-07-2008 00:19
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Florence (Post 34594311)
cut...
maybe searching it and clicking on the ones we ned nearer the top will move it up...
In a nutshell Google does do this to some extent. Google sees search terms and it sees results. If people click on certain results more than others for certain search terms, it means extra traffic goes to that site in question and it is deemed more important relatively speaking in that search result.

It effectively gets more Google brownie points for for the next search result using them terms. It does not happen immediately but that is how sudden popular newsworthy sites can go to high in the Google rankings literally overnight.

Wildie 08-07-2008 00:22
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
so we need to google webwise and anti webwise to get the anti up top?

Florence 08-07-2008 00:53
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
well if we are in for a long fight maybe this wil help some keep track of information..

http://www.fusiondesk.com/products/starter.html

Get it while it is free...

---------- Post added at 23:52 ---------- Previous post was at 23:51 ----------

google anti, webwise and BBC vanishes and VM arrives.. think that is us guys and this thread :D

---------- Post added at 23:53 ---------- Previous post was at 23:52 ----------

google webwise and BBC is top..


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