Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

No excuses! I did use the words...to 'attempt' to comply with , and not just 'to comply'.
I have added the fact that explicit informed consent is 'still' required to that post.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I wouldn't trust that at all. I heard and saw Kent state with his own voice and lips that opted out traffic -still- goes through the profiler but simply doesn't get passed onto the channel server. I was about 4 feet away from him at the time. Furthermore, notice the choice of words:

He is very careful to avoid saying anything about the profiler and simply says no collection, which knowing Kent probably means "We don't send the data to the channel server" (which is the same as he said 4 months ago at the meeting). I don't for one second believe that they have redesigned the system to completely bypass that Layer 7 Switch for opted out users, not even a fraction of a second.

Oh and lets not forget he has also claimed that there is no data collected when the system is opted-in, in fact that has been his biggest PR strategy. The man wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up and waved an OIX banner in his face.

If he wants me to believe that I will need to see real proof because frankly his word doesn't cut it and it is a complete contradiction of himself for the system to work in the way you just described it. Rule of thumb - "Don't trust a damn word that come's out of Kent's mouth."

Alexander Hanff

---------- Post added at 18:19 ---------- Previous post was at 17:48 ----------

I think people are so used to the thread being so busy they feel that have to write something and so in the absence of any new data they are second guessing what we already know.

Why not just take an evening off, things are very positive for us at the moment so relax a little whilst we have the opportunity.

1. Still no trials.
2. NebuAd frozen out of the US market by 4 or 5 ISPs now.
3. Baroness Miller addressing the Home Office.
4. Meeting with Earl of Northesk.
5. The Protest.
6. Home Office FOI showing BT panicking.
7. Phorm shares getting lower than a prom queen at a limbo dance.

And that is just off the top of my head, I am sure there are more reasons to be happy than that.

So chill for a couple of hours, it won't last long we will have to be back on the front line again before you know it, so enjoy it whilst you can. There is plenty of information right here already to keep even the most interested reader busy for a month.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

EOD PHRM.L Trading update.


Bid 925.00
Ask 1000.00
Price 962.50
Change +0 (+0.00%)
Last Trade 935.00 (14:08:00)
Trading Vol. 3,701

Have a good weekend guys

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Actually the price is down as it closed at 935.00 which puts it down -27.50 (-2.86%) or at least that is what Google Finance is showing. But yes a good end to the week :)

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Which isn't a bad result for the day considering.... its an American Holiday :)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

At the risk of repeating myself repeating myself: Does phorm still profile your surfing if you opt out? WE DON'T KNOW. Only phorm know, and they are not telling. As the recent posts show, we have heard different stories from different people at different times. EVEN BT DOES NOT KNOW even though they might think (hope) that they do. The fact is they are selling off our data stream to a bunch of crooks without any way of verifying what is being done with it or what may be done with it. And as was pointed out earlier, all traces are eventually deleted, thus neatly avoiding the Google/Viacom situation. It might be worth asking the BT shareholders if they are happy that their board is being so reckless - they are at the mercy of phorm and Ertegrul's collective integrity - not a place I would wish to be!

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Agreed we can second guess all we like but the true facts are all that count, Phorm /webwise intercept you connection no matter how you try to cover this over it is illegal..... from there the scripting is no matter there is no benefit to the customer.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I wrote to David Davis recently and "inphormed" him, I did say that I expected that he had already heard about Phorm though. I received a standard written reply on his behalf this morning thanking me for my support etc. but no mention of Phorm. I am now waiting for a reply to my letter, which they have told me is comming, from my MP David Cameron.

Dave.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

On a side topic for a moment, I've updated my graph of BT shares held in treasury. Nothing dramatic, but it looks like they will accumulate around 8-10% of the shares by the AGM, improving earnings per share, and perhaps making it harder for remaining shareholders to unseat board members (no idea whether that's the strategy, but it is an effect).

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2008/07/53.png

Usual caveats, if you want share advice, or value your life savings, go to a stock broker, not an IT tech.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Looking at BT's present performance an IT tech mihgt bw able to improve the share prices since the managment BT has now seem unable to think outside the box.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Ok Guys

Just got a response from Steve Gibson:

Hi ******,

You are welcome to use the image at the TWiT page, and, yes, any anti-Phorm campaigns are also welcome to use the pic and links, etc. We're all on the same side in this issue. :)

Thanks for your note, for your interest ... and all the best,

The image to link is at the URL below:

<<http://twit.tv/sites/all/themes/twit/img/podcasts/podcast_2.jpg>>

[img]Download Failed (1)[/img]

and create the link back to:

http://twit.tv/sn151

This will be more professional looking. And as Steve Gibson says above, all Anti Phorm Campaigns are welcome to use :)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Speaking of security gurus - you may have heard of Bruce Schneier. He's a bit of a heavyweight in the IT security world. He releases and monthly newsletter on security.

His website can be found here:

http://www.schneier.com/

I was surprised to find out that he is 'Chief Security Technology Officer' of BT. I wrote him an email, before I knew this fact and asked why he hadn't written any articles about Phorm. He replied that the technology was 'not particularly interesting'.

Technically, this may be true. However, he also writes about all sorts of stuff relating to the intersection of technology and privacy and social issues - which is why I was all the more surprised at the time.

In light of the new information, I wouldn't be surprised if his reticence has anything to do with his position. Though this is mere speculation on my part.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Privacy International in the news again.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7488524.stm

Google's plans to launch a mapping tool in the UK could be referred to the Information Commissioner.

Street View matches photos of locations to maps, including passers-by who were captured as the photograph was taken.

"In our view they need a person's consent if they make use of a person's face for commercial ends," said Simon Davis of the group.
If the group does not get the answer it seeks within seven days, Mr Davies said it would write to the Information Commissioner seeking a suspension of the service in the UK.



It's a pity that Privacy International are not as outspoken about companies that want to make use of our data for commercial ends.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Other people to possibly invite to speak at the demo:

Tim Burners-Lee

Tony Benn

Shami Chakrabarti

?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

:clap: :clap:
Very true they left the British public high and dry in the phorm stink..