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1andrew1 07-12-2025 08:45

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36207466)
Who gives a toss what he may or may not have said 43 years ago. Its a completely different era.
As I'm sure members know, I cant stand the guy, but seriously, this feels like desperation on someones part.

It was never acceptable in the 1970s to sing songs to Jews about gas chambers which is what the allegations are about.
I do get that other things were more acceptable then eg to call your local takeaway after the shape of the owner's eyes, etc. But the allegations are not about this.

Why it's news today is because
-20 people have come forward as Farage's party is leading the polls and he could become the next Prime Minister. They are not political opponents, but fellow ex-pupils who went to an elite public school.
-Farage has taken the allegations very badly and thew a huge hissy fit the other day on the BBC asking it to apologise for its 1970s sitcoms and saying because of these sitcoms, it could not ask him about the allegations. It showed a side to Farage that many had not seen before.
-Reform has gone full Trump on the allegations. Farage has not denied them but played the 'of a different era' card. Tice who did not go to Dulwich College with Trump has denied them.
-Numerous links to racism from Reform politicians continue to surface.

papa smurf 07-12-2025 10:08

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
It's news today because desperate wokies are trying to sink reform, personally i don't care about farages alleged school hi jinx and wheezes, what matters is now

Mr K 07-12-2025 10:43

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Tbh even if he did say those things its likely to attract the sort of people drawn to Reform.

1andrew1 07-12-2025 11:51

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36207487)
It's news today because desperate wokies are trying to sink reform, personally i don't care about farages alleged school hi jinx and wheezes, what matters is now

If you want to call Jews wokies and gas chamber songs wheezes then fill your boots.

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Reform UK strips council leader of membership over undisclosed X account

Reform UK has expelled the leader of Staffordshire county council, one of its most senior local government figures, after investigating past racist posts from a social media account associated with him.

The party began a probe into Councillor Ian Cooper on Wednesday following claims by the Hope Not Hate group that an X account apparently linked to him had made multiple racist remarks about public figures. These included labelling London’s mayor Sadiq Khan a “narcissistic Pakistani”.

The expulsion comes as the party battles to combat allegations of racist behaviour by a number of its members, including leader Nigel Farage.

More detailed allegations emerged on Friday that Farage had been racist towards a fellow pupil at London’s Dulwich College in the 1980s. Farage has dismissed such allegations, saying they were “banter” or not intended to be hurtful.

On Cooper’s case, Reform UK said on Friday evening: “Following an investigation into the failure to declare social media accounts during the candidate-vetting process, Councillor Ian Cooper has had his membership of Reform UK revoked.”

Cooper did not immediately resign as leader of the council. But other councillors are expected to vote him out at a meeting on Thursday if he refuses to resign.
https://archive.ph/ADWys

Carth 07-12-2025 13:04

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
It shows real stupidity when calling a person born to a Pakistani family a “narcissistic Pakistani” is deemed to be racist.

He's a British Pakistani, and to some people he's also narcissistic . . so where's the problem?


oh yeah, the problem is (as mentioned before) the Institutions are shit scared of being toppled, and Reform are now doing silly things to their own membership before the media 'finger pointing' takes hold

papa smurf 07-12-2025 13:30

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36207508)
It shows real stupidity when calling a person born to a Pakistani family a “narcissistic Pakistani” is deemed to be racist.

He's a British Pakistani, and to some people he's also narcissistic . . so where's the problem?


oh yeah, the problem is (as mentioned before) the Institutions are shit scared of being toppled, and Reform are now doing silly things to their own membership before the media 'finger pointing' takes hold

be careful you'll trigger the wokie, and he'll be climbing up onto his high horse ...

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36207488)
Tbh even if he did say those things its likely to attract the sort of people drawn to Reform.

like voters

1andrew1 07-12-2025 13:33

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36207508)
It shows real stupidity when calling a person born to a Pakistani family a “narcissistic Pakistani” is deemed to be racist.

He's a British Pakistani, and to some people he's also narcissistic . . so where's the problem?

oh yeah, the problem is (as mentioned before) the Institutions are shit scared of being toppled, and Reform are now doing silly things to their own membership before the media 'finger pointing' takes hold

A key reason for being expelled must be that him not declaring that the X account is his. That goes against what he's disclosed to Reform UK so he's breached his contract with the Party.
The account also posted that no foreign national or first-generation immigrant should be allowed to sit in parliament. That is not Reform UK policy.
Suggesting that some important coloured Labour politicians were not British puts you on rocky ground. On its own that may not have been sufficient for Reform UK to expel him but together there's a compelling case to do so.

Carth 07-12-2025 15:46

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Where did he say (suggest) that 'some important coloured Labour politicians were not British' . . l

Pierre 07-12-2025 20:23

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Desperate actions from whoever, laughable really.

OLD BOY 08-12-2025 19:37

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36207454)
There's multiple named accusers here. And Farage has quoted one unnamed person in his support but said he's received other letters too. Which evidence do you think is strongest?

https://news.sky.com/story/nigel-far...laims-13479621

That doesn't make him guilty. How do you prove a negative?

There may be more accusers than those defending him, but it proves nothing. Troublemakers can gang up on a person while others who know different keep their heads down.

1andrew1 08-12-2025 21:18

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36207535)
That doesn't make him guilty. How do you prove a negative?

There may be more accusers than those defending him, but it proves nothing. Troublemakers can gang up on a person while others who know different keep their heads down.

It's not a case of may it's 28 named accusers v 1 unnamed defender.

But never mind, let's not believe the victims.

Pierre 08-12-2025 21:42

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36207537)
It's not a case of may it's 28 named accusers v 1 unnamed defender.

But never mind, let's not believe the victims.

Bullshit detector has just hit 100.

50+ yr old claims, when Farage was a child, a teenager in school.

Whatever, Labour activist outfit are behind this, they’re wasting their time.

We’ve just had the Chancellor lie, and mislead the country, and this piffle is what knocks that off the news cycle……….

Carth 08-12-2025 22:02

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Running scared . . and people can see it, which doesn't bode well for those still trying to con the public through their media 'connections'

People throwing mud should have a think of where the mud came from ;)

Damien 08-12-2025 23:55

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It's politics. Everything you've ever done is brought up pretty much. Tories and Labour leaders get it.

Cameron got the stuff about his days at university and the weird posh club he was at. Corbyn got articles about his relationship with Diane Abbott. Stamer had people looking into whether his dad owned a factory, and that Starmer got his mother a donkey farm for some reason.

Farage gets it too now.

1andrew1 09-12-2025 01:07

Re: Reform UK's chronicles
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36207544)
It's politics. Everything you've ever done is brought up pretty much. Tories and Labour leaders get it.

Cameron got the stuff about his days at university and the weird posh club he was at. Corbyn got articles about his relationship with Diane Abbott. Stamer had people looking into whether his dad owned a factory, and that Starmer got his mother a donkey farm for some reason.

Farage gets it too now.

One key difference between the allegations against Farage and the back history of Corbyn, Cameron etc which newspapers researched is that Farage's accusers proactively contacted the media due to their concerns about Farage.

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36207539)
Bullshit detector has just hit 100.

50+ yr old claims, when Farage was a child, a teenager in school.

Whatever, Labour activist outfit are behind this, they’re wasting their time.

We’ve just had the Chancellor lie, and mislead the country, and this piffle is what knocks that off the news cycle……….

50+ years ago? Farage was aged 17/18 when he was alleged to have said these things. That was 43/44 years ago. I think your calculator needs some new batteries as do your arguments.

The 28 public school pupils including many of Jewish origin are part of a Labour activist outfit? Yeah right? :D
GB News, Reform or the Telegraph would have found this out if there was such a plot. Haven't situations like Hillsborough and the grooming gangs indicated that victims might actually be telling the truth?


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