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papa smurf 07-05-2025 15:00
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36196207)
Miliband’s nonsense has played just as squarely into the election results as the stiffing by Starmer of the pensioners.

In today’s PM questions, Kemi successfully skewered Starmer who referred to notes on every question without going near an answer. I doubt that the swing voters watch PM’s questions, but the media will have their regular weekly fun pulling that liar apart.
It's clear he hates pensioners and intends to fund the lunatic Miliband until the uk is destroyed

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Meanwhile net stupid costs set to escalate

https://news.sky.com/story/orsted-pu...enges-13363134

Orsted pulls plug on Hornsea 4 windfarm, blaming a surge in challenges

1andrew1 07-05-2025 17:19
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36196208)
It's clear he hates pensioners and intends to fund the lunatic Miliband until the uk is destroyed

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Meanwhile net stupid costs set to escalate

https://news.sky.com/story/orsted-pu...enges-13363134

Orsted pulls plug on Hornsea 4 windfarm, blaming a surge in challenges
Renewables are amongst the cheapest energy sources and give us energy sovereignty. Be wary of unreliable news sources that advocate otherwise. They want us beholden to Johnny Foreigner.

Sephiroth 07-05-2025 17:35
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36196217)
Renewables are amongst the cheapest energy sources and give us energy sovereignty. Be wary of unreliable news sources that advocate otherwise. They want us beholden to Johnny Foreigner.
I'm disappointed with your reply. Renewables need wind and light (see a calm night followed by a calm day for problem details). Your statement is too glib when you look at the realities.

We can assume that the government has charted wind locations from a strategic perspective so that eventually there can be continuous wind power sources. But have they tied that into consumption demand timelines, grid connectivity challenges, technology to overcome turbine load shedding, timeline risk assessments?

In the meantime, we should exploit our own carbon resources as an insurance against timeline risk rather than hypocritically buy carbon products from elsewhere.

Do you agree with me?

Chris 07-05-2025 17:43
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36196218)
I'm disappointed with your reply. Renewables need wind and light (see a calm night followed by a calm day for problem details). Your statement is too glib when you look at the realities.

We can assume that the government has charted wind locations from a strategic perspective so that eventually there can be continuous wind power sources. But have they tied that into consumption demand timelines, grid connectivity challenges, technology to overcome turbine load shedding, timeline risk assessments?

In the meantime, we should exploit our own carbon resources as an insurance against timeline risk rather than hypocritically buy carbon products from elsewhere.

Do you agree with me?
No.

We should be exploiting whatever’s left of our expertise in nuclear energy. Thankfully, while we shamefully allowed our civil capability to wither to the point that we had to ask EDF to build new mega-scale power stations for us, our military nuclear capability means we can yet get back in the game with small and medium sized modular reactor plants derived from the designs used in our submarines. And in the next 6-7 years we will have expanded our uranium enrichment capabilities to the point where we can securely fuel them as well.

Oil and gas is traded on international markets wherever it is produced and it would only ever be nationalised for domestic use only in a dire existential emergency. The fact that we have plenty of it under our seas does not therefore offer us the hassle-free energy security you seem to think it does.

papa smurf 07-05-2025 18:01
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36196219)
No.

We should be exploiting whatever’s left of our expertise in nuclear energy. Thankfully, while we shamefully allowed our civil capability to wither to the point that we had to ask EDF to build new mega-scale power stations for us, our military nuclear capability means we can yet get back in the game with small and medium sized modular reactor plants derived from the designs used in our submarines. And in the next 6-7 years we will have expanded our uranium enrichment capabilities to the point where we can securely fuel them as well.

Oil and gas is traded on international markets wherever it is produced and it would only ever be nationalised for domestic use only in a dire existential emergency. The fact that we have plenty of it under our seas does not therefore offer us the hassle-free energy security you seem to think it does.


Would you be happy to have this miracle of modern science next to your house?

Sephiroth 07-05-2025 18:03
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36196219)
No.

We should be exploiting whatever’s left of our expertise in nuclear energy. Thankfully, while we shamefully allowed our civil capability to wither to the point that we had to ask EDF to build new mega-scale power stations for us, our military nuclear capability means we can yet get back in the game with small and medium sized modular reactor plants derived from the designs used in our submarines. And in the next 6-7 years we will have expanded our uranium enrichment capabilities to the point where we can securely fuel them as well.

Oil and gas is traded on international markets wherever it is produced and it would only ever be nationalised for domestic use only in a dire existential emergency. The fact that we have plenty of it under our seas does not therefore offer us the hassle-free energy security you seem to think it does.
Of course, yes, on the nuclear point. But it takes decades to bring a nuclear power station from zero to operation. Sealing coal mines and gas wells, etc, is reckless.

Chris 07-05-2025 19:28
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36196220)
Would you be happy to have this miracle of modern science next to your house?
I have taken my summer holidays just a few miles from Hunterston A & B every year for the past couple of decades. They’re in the background of most beach photos we have of our kids. So … yes.

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Of course, yes, on the nuclear point. But it takes decades to bring a nuclear power station from zero to operation. Sealing coal mines and gas wells, etc, is reckless.
The point of Rolls Royce’s SMRs is that they *don’t* take decades to bring on stream. You don’t have to design a massive bespoke site for each one because they are small enough to be contained on a modest sized piece of land. The idea is you build more of them, in more places.

pip08456 07-05-2025 19:53
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36196221)
Of course, yes, on the nuclear point. But it takes decades to bring a nuclear power station from zero to operation. Sealing coal mines and gas wells, etc, is reckless.
Chris is correct and I get your point about nuclear power stations but Chris wasn't referrring to those.

Perhaps see here. https://www.rolls-royce-smr.com/

Pierre 07-05-2025 20:56
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36196217)
Renewables are amongst the cheapest energy sources
That is not reflected in our energy bills, and until it is they will be rightly looked upon sceptically.

Hornsea 4 has just been cancelled by Orested.

We should be fracking, exploiting new gas and oil fields, building nuclear…..we should be doing everything.

If we don’t lower energy costs the economy is fugazi.

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36196219)
Oil and gas is traded on international markets wherever it is produced and it would only ever be nationalised for domestic use only in a dire existential emergency. The fact that we have plenty of it under our seas does not therefore offer us the hassle-free energy security you seem to think it does.
As a sovereign nation we can do what we like. If that means invoking legislation that a licence to exploit oil and gas in the U.K. EEZ comes with a stipulation that a % of output is supplied to the U.K. at a reduction…..or any other hair brained scheme.

Chris 07-05-2025 21:20
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That is not reflected in our energy bills, and until it is they will be rightly looked upon sceptically.

Hornsea 4 has just been cancelled by Orested.

We should be fracking, exploiting new gas and oil fields, building nuclear…..we should be doing everything.

If we don’t lower energy costs the economy is fugazi.

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As a sovereign nation we can do what we like. If that means invoking legislation that a licence to exploit oil and gas in the U.K. EEZ comes with a stipulation that a % of output is supplied to the U.K. at a reduction…..or any other hair brained scheme.
We can indeed do what we like. International norms however constrain us, as they constrain everyone else. Diverting oil and gas to domestic supply outwith a major emergency comes with serious reputational risks that generate political and financial consequences. So we can, and also we can’t.

1andrew1 07-05-2025 21:43
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That is not reflected in our energy bills, and until it is they will be rightly looked upon sceptically.
They can be viewed sceptically, but not rightly. The price of electricity in the UK is based upon that electricity derived from gas.

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Gas sets the price of electricity, because the electricity price in every half hour period is set by the marginal cost of the last generating unit to be turned off to meet demand – which is invariably a gas power plant with high marginal costs.

To provide an analogy, think of a penalty shootout in a sporting competition. A team will select a list of individuals in order of preference, with the best individuals selected first (i.e., renewables). But it’s the individual who steps up last who has the final say, deciding the fate of the result.

The problem we have at the moment is that whilst renewable capacity has grown significantly, natural gas is still responsible for 38% of our electricity generation in the UK.

When we have periods of low winds for example, the system will often turn to gas generators to fill that demand. But that comes at a high price, and even more so recently with the record prices on the wholesale gas market. As we move to a high renewable powered electricity system, it doesn’t make sense to have gas generators setting the price.
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...0&d=1746646986

https://www.goodenergy.co.uk/blog/wh...ricity-prices/

Sephiroth 07-05-2025 21:56
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Er - we must have electricity. This comes before worrying about the price of gas.

Maybe the SMRs will save us - but when are they?

1andrew1 07-05-2025 22:42
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36196242)
Er - we must have electricity. This comes before worrying about the price of gas.

Maybe the SMRs will save us - but when are they?
No one is saying we don't need electricity. Just at the moment the price of electricity is set by the price of gas.

Damien 08-05-2025 08:53
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Trump set to announce UK-US trade deal: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn91dxzv4pnt

Brance yourselves, this will contain a lot of stuff we don't like

papa smurf 08-05-2025 09:01
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Trump set to announce UK-US trade deal: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn91dxzv4pnt

Brance yourselves, this will contain a lot of stuff we don't like
like Mc donalds /KFC/ swimming pool chicken/ royd rage beef /exploding cars/piss weak beer......


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