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Hugh 24-11-2020 10:07
Re: Coronavirus
 
What could the possible abuses be, please?

Sephiroth 24-11-2020 10:18
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36059475)
The anti vax brigade will be all over that. Such a basic error what else might not be right about it?
Au contraire. I'm less anti-vax now because one of the statements made about this was that those who received the half dose had significantly reduced side effects (headache, fatigue etc). That moves me nearer to taking the jab after I've got through the barbed wire to consult the doctor.

tweetiepooh 24-11-2020 10:19
Re: Coronavirus
 
Imagine adding something to the vaccine, maybe a genetic tag that makes the person vulnerable to a poison that can be released at a later date, targeted killing.
Or even simply dosing one group with a placebo or weakened vaccine, that group then remains vulnerable possibly after a short period.
Just use your imagination how you would abuse mass vaccination and someone else likely has also thought of it as more than simply a thought experiment.

Sephiroth 24-11-2020 10:23
Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36059494)
Imagine adding something to the vaccine, maybe a genetic tag that makes the person vulnerable to a poison that can be released at a later date, targeted killing.
Or even simply dosing one group with a placebo or weakened vaccine, that group then remains vulnerable possibly after a short period.
Just use your imagination how you would abuse mass vaccination and someone else likely has also thought of it as more than simply a thought experiment.
I read a brilliant SF book dealing with that to an extreme. Some Nazi Mengele type character had invented a toxin that only killed (always) those with Jewish DNA. There was an ingenious plot to put it into the water supply of the USA, Israel, Europe, etc. Of course it all worked out OK - but that day might well be coming.

joglynne 24-11-2020 10:40
Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36059467)
There are many scientific breakthroughs "by accident" no reason for this to be different nor unwelcomed.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36059475)
The anti vax brigade will be all over that. Such a basic error what else might not be right about it?
Off topic but I bet they are happy to consume cheese.

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The production of cheese predates recorded history, beginning well over 7,000 years ago.Humans likely developed cheese and other dairy foods by accident, as a result of storing and transporting milk in bladders made of ruminants' stomachs, as their inherent supply of rennet would encourage curdling.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheese...o%20curd%20and

Hom3r 24-11-2020 10:44
Re: Coronavirus
 
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36059467)
There are many scientific breakthroughs "by accident" no reason for this to be different nor unwelcomed.
The Microwave was discovered by accident.

Hugh 24-11-2020 10:51
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36059494)
Imagine adding something to the vaccine, maybe a genetic tag that makes the person vulnerable to a poison that can be released at a later date, targeted killing.
Or even simply dosing one group with a placebo or weakened vaccine, that group then remains vulnerable possibly after a short period.
Just use your imagination how you would abuse mass vaccination and someone else likely has also thought of it as more than simply a thought experiment.
Occam’s Razor - why haven’t they done it already, with all the current vaccinations?

jfman 24-11-2020 11:10
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36059493)
Au contraire. I'm less anti-vax now because one of the statements made about this was that those who received the half dose had significantly reduced side effects (headache, fatigue etc). That moves me nearer to taking the jab after I've got through the barbed wire to consult the doctor.
I was aiming my comment more at the ideological anti-vaxxers as opposed to people who for a lot of reasons, health conditions or other medications might be apprehensive about new treatments.

I think the openness and transparency around the work would satisfy that group.

papa smurf 24-11-2020 11:13
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36059500)
Occam’s Razor - why haven’t they done it already, with all the current vaccinations?
Who says they haven't.

jfman 24-11-2020 11:24
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36059500)
Occam’s Razor - why haven’t they done it already, with all the current vaccinations?
Reminds me of the conspiracy of swapping MH370 for MH16 to then shoot it down. Why not just shoot down MH16? :confused:

Chris 24-11-2020 11:30
Re: Coronavirus
 
It is a standard tactic of conspiracy theorists to propose convoluted scenarios and then place the burden of proof on those who disagree. It is also standard for the conspiracist to treat opposition to their speculations as further proof of the conspiracy. Ultimately you can't argue with these people. The only recourse is to shrug and move on. The internet has been the great enabler of fools and there's little that can be done about it.

Hugh 24-11-2020 11:36
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36059502)
Who says they haven't.
Only people who don't understand how the pharma supply, production, and distribution chain works, with its component track and trace requirements from raw materials to finished product on the shop/hospital shelf.

They are also probably the same people who don't understand how the creation and testing of pharma works - you can't just "add another component" to an already existing product (as that product will have gone through the phases of regulatory testing in all the different countries for it's existing build), and if you could, you would have to replicate the testing to make sure it still a) did what it was supposed to do originally, and b) fulfilled it's new requirement as well, all without any publicity/leaks.

As I said earlier, Occam's Razor. :)

papa smurf 24-11-2020 11:44
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36059506)
Only people who don't understand how the pharma supply, production, and distribution chain works, with its component track and trace requirements from raw materials to finished product on the shop/hospital shelf.

They are also probably the same people who don't understand how the creation and testing of pharma works - you can't just "add another component" to an already existing product (as that product will have gone through the phases of regulatory testing in all the different countries for it's existing build), and if you could, you would have to replicate the testing to make sure it still a) did what it was supposed to do originally, and b) fulfilled it's new requirement as well, all without any publicity/leaks.

As I said earlier, Occam's Razor. :)

Ah your happy with the simple explanation.

Hugh 24-11-2020 11:46
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36059507)
Ah your happy with the simple explanation.
No, the simplest one with the fewest assumptions, based on falsifiability criteria which are testable...

papa smurf 24-11-2020 11:48
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36059493)
Au contraire. I'm less anti-vax now because one of the statements made about this was that those who received the half dose had significantly reduced side effects (headache, fatigue etc). That moves me nearer to taking the jab after I've got through the barbed wire to consult the doctor.
It would be easier to break into N Korea than get into my doctors.


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