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ianch99 06-04-2017 15:51
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35893564)
You're like me, even though we may not share same views, we have a need to research stuff before jumping on a hysteria bandwagon.

I never got the Hillary email thing in the beginning until, I too, looked in to the issue deeper.

The problem is, Hillary Clinton did not help herself during her testimony, she is said to have lied under oath that she did not send or receive classified material through her own email server, yet FBI Director James Comey said there was was such emails found.

Because of her high position in Government and tenure as US Secretary of State, she was in receipt and sending of, Top Secret and classified emails. But in her absent mind, was sending and receiving them through her own private email server, that was a unsecured system, a system that was said to be running from a bathroom closet by the private company she was using.

In the following youtube clip showing her testimony, which she gave under oath which highlights she lied under that oath, about her saying she had not sent and received classified emails through her private server and at about 2 minutes 30 seconds in on this clip, James Comey said she did otherwise.
So you hate Hillary because she lied? Dude, all politicians lie especially the one you find no fault with, a certain Mr Trump.

BTW, you ignored Stuart's point:

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Note: Hillary is far from the only person that has done this. There is also the small matter of the 2 million or so email that vanished from the Republican National Congress server during the last Bush government (something which, oddly, the Republicans forgot to mention when criticising Hillary).
Care to comment?

Mick 06-04-2017 16:07
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35893567)
So you hate Hillary because she lied? Dude, all politicians lie especially the one you find no fault with, a certain Mr Trump.
No, I hate her for far more reasons than just her lies.

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Originally Posted by ianch99
BTW, you ignored Stuart's point:



Care to comment?
No I didn't ignore it and no.

Maggy 06-04-2017 16:54
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39515098#

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The head of a key US congressional investigation into alleged Russian hacking has temporarily stepped down amid an ethics inquiry into him.
House Intelligence Committee chairman Devin Nunes is now himself under investigation by the House Ethics Committee.
The panel is looking into claims that the Republican disclosed classified intelligence.
What is going on within the White House? Why would a Congressman behave like this?

Hugh 06-04-2017 18:00
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35893515)
Utter rubbish on both accounts. He did not deliver on healthcare at all. I don't call tripling bills a better system at all and neither do my American friends who says he lied and made it worse! As for the economy, the debt doubled under his Administration.
http://time.com/money/4503325/obama-...sts-obamacare/
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During the first quarter of 2008, 14.6% of Americans did not have health insurance coverage, according to a Gallup poll. The uninsured rate spiked to an all-time high of 18% in the third quarter of 2013—after the Affordable Care Act was passed, but before people were required to have insurance. By the first quarter of 2016, the uninsured rate had fallen to 11%, per the latest Gallup numbers.

In terms of raw numbers, a 2012 CDC survey reported that an estimated 45.5 million Americans were uninsured at the time the study was conducted. The ranks of uninsured Americans were down to 36 million in 2014, falling further to 28.6 million in 2015. Data has not yet been released for 2016, but the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services announced earlier this year that some 20 million Americans—including 6.1 million young adults ages 19 to 25—have gained health insurance since the Affordable Care Act was passed in 2010.
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In 2008, the average employer-sponsored family plan cost a total of $12,680, with employees footing $3,354 of the bill, according to Kaiser data. By 2016, the cost of the average employer family plan was up to $18,142 for the year, with workers picking up $5,277 of the tab.

These increased costs for employers and employees alike may seem steep—up around 50% over the past eight years—but they could have risen far higher had the Affordable Care Act never passed. The Kaiser study shows that average family premiums rose 20% from 2011 to 2016. That rate of increase is actually much lower than the previous five years (up 31% from 2006 to 2011) and the five years before that (up 63% from 2001 to 2006).

passingbat 06-04-2017 18:06
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35893580)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39515098#



What is going on within the White House? Why would a Congressman behave like this?

Because the liberal media (CNN etc.) want to focus solely on the alleged Russia/Trump Collusion, which has yet to be proved one way or the other, and completely ignore the surveillance/unmasking issue, the full facts of which, have still to come out.


Trump is threatening some of the 'liberal' aims of the Democrats; Sanctuary cities, Bathroom Laws, high numbers of immigration, Planned Parenthood, Border control with Mexico, appointing non liberal Supreme Court Judges his support for Israel etc. There is a battle going on, just as there is over Hard and Soft Brexit in the UK.

martyh 06-04-2017 18:39
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35893572)
No, I hate her for far more reasons than just her lies.



No I didn't ignore it and no.
that's a novel debating technique you got there Mick,ignore or refuse to debate the questions that show the Republicans or Trump in a bad light .

ianch99 06-04-2017 18:40
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35893586)
Because the liberal media (CNN etc.) want to focus solely on the alleged Russia/Trump Collusion, which has yet to be proved one way or the other, and completely ignore the surveillance/unmasking issue, the full facts of which, have still to come out.


Trump is threatening some of the 'liberal' aims of the Democrats; Sanctuary cities, Bathroom Laws, high numbers of immigration, Planned Parenthood, Border control with Mexico, appointing non liberal Supreme Court Judges his support for Israel etc. There is a battle going on, just as there is over Hard and Soft Brexit in the UK.
It's a conspiracy I tell you! "Infamy, infamy, they've all got it in for me"

martyh 06-04-2017 18:42
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35893586)
Because the liberal media (CNN etc.) want to focus solely on the alleged Russia/Trump Collusion, which has yet to be proved one way or the other, and completely ignore the surveillance/unmasking issue, the full facts of which, have still to come out.


Trump is threatening some of the 'liberal' aims of the Democrats; Sanctuary cities, Bathroom Laws, high numbers of immigration, Planned Parenthood, Border control with Mexico, appointing non liberal Supreme Court Judges his support for Israel etc. There is a battle going on, just as there is over Hard and Soft Brexit in the UK.
So it's the 'liberal media' that forces senators and WH staff to behave like they are behaving then :rolleyes:

Damien 06-04-2017 18:51
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Nunes has recused himself because he essentially lost the confidence of the committee, which still contains Republicans, after he went straight the White House when he 'discovered' the FISA warrant intercepts might have contained records from members of the Trump transition team. It's meant to be a independent and bi-partisan committee. The Senate one for example has been a lot more professional.

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35893515)
Utter rubbish on both accounts. He did not deliver on healthcare at all. I don't call tripling bills a better system at all and neither do my American friends who says he lied and made it worse! As for the economy, the debt doubled under his Administration.
Many Democrats would agree the rising premiums are a problem. It's certainly not perfect. However many people before couldn't afford it at all. More Americans have health insurance, people with pre-existing conditions can no longer be denied coverage and all insurances have to meet a basic standard of coverage rather than trying to screw over their clients. That to me, and presumably to the Americans who now have coverage, is an improvement.

If it was such a failure then it would be easier to overturn but it turns out Americans like some of Obamacare if not the recent premium rise. Trump has he would make it cheaper, not remove people's insurance, and that is quite difficult.

Mick 06-04-2017 19:41
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35893592)
that's a novel debating technique you got there Mick,ignore or refuse to debate the questions that show the Republicans or Trump in a bad light .
Wrong again, I just could not give a toss about what happened during the Bush Administration.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35893585)
All well and good but I'll stick with my views and those of my American friends that Obamacare was and is crap.

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35893580)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39515098#



What is going on within the White House? Why would a Congressman behave like this?
Nothing to do with the WH what happens in congress, separate entity.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35893595)

Many Democrats would agree the rising premiums are a problem. It's certainly not perfect. However many people before couldn't afford it at all. More Americans have health insurance, people with pre-existing conditions can no longer be denied coverage and all insurances have to meet a basic standard of coverage rather than trying to screw over their clients. That to me, and presumably to the Americans who now have coverage, is an improvement.

If it was such a failure then it would be easier to overturn but it turns out Americans like some of Obamacare if not the recent premium rise. Trump has he would make it cheaper, not remove people's insurance, and that is quite difficult.
My friends would disagree, Obama lied about being able to keep your own doctor. Many Americans have been forced to change doctors. It is a totally dire system that is getting more and more expensive. That's more households with huge increases per month, some families having to find $900+ extra per month. I'm just relaying what my American pals are telling me. They say in America profit is put first before patient welfare and it's been this way for a long time.

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Looks like the Republicans have gone Nuclear and changed the rules to get Trump's Supreme Court pick confirmed by Friday.

http://news.sky.com/story/republican...-pick-10827658

1andrew1 06-04-2017 20:00
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35893580)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39515098#

What is going on within the White House? Why would a Congressman behave like this?
It's a fresh blow for Donald Trump. Not my wise words, but those of The Times. It points out:
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Republican House Intelligence Committee chairman, Devin Nunes, a Trump ally who served on his transition team, has been criticised for his handling of the inquiry, which includes looking into whether members of Mr Trump’s campaign colluded with Russians.
He now faces an ethics investigation over claims that he improperly disclosed classified information.
(Subscription: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/w...-out-lrmft0vpx)

The Nunes situation is not great for Trump. However, Trump seems to have learnt that employing a peddlar of fake news in a position of power is not a sensible idea and so put Steve Bannon out of his misery by removing him from the National Security Council.

Damien 06-04-2017 20:26
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35893599)
My friends would disagree, Obama lied about being able to keep your own doctor. Many Americans have been forced to change doctors. It is a totally dire system that is getting more and more expensive. That's more households with huge increases per month, some families having to find $900+ extra per month. I'm just relaying what my American pals are telling me. They say in America profit is put first before patient welfare and it's been this way for a long time.
I am sure they would and there are clearly problems with Obamacare. I am glad we don't live in a system that puts profit so central to the goal of providing healthcare. The bills are outrageous and even with insurance that fact you have to deal with paper work, insurance claims and so on whilst dealing with illness is inhumane.

I think though Obamacare is a step towards a better system. More people have coverage and you can get it for pre-existing conditions. They need to do more to bring down the cost but I can't see the Republicans allowing more state funding or more intervention on the healthcare 'market'. The Freedom Caucus wanted everything cut drastically for example.

If we take Trump's desire to ensure 'everyone' has healthcare but cheaper then he has the wrong congress.

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Looks like the Republicans have gone Nuclear and changed the rules to get Trump's Supreme Court pick confirmed by Friday.

[url]http://news.sky.com/story/republicans-use-nuclear-option-to-clear-way-for-confirmation-of-trump-supreme-court-pick-10827658
Got to wonder where this will end. The Republicans were wrong to refuse Obama's pick even a hearing in over a year, the Democrats are wrong to respond by refusing to vote to confirm Trump's nominee in revenge, the Republicans are wrong to get rid of a tactic they've been more than happy to use is response. The cycle will ever end.

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Wow. Looks like Trump's foreign policy has now changed to action in Syria to remove Assad. Waiting for a proper news story.

Mick 06-04-2017 20:35
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35893608)
Wow. Looks like Trump's foreign policy has now changed to action in Syria to remove Assad. Waiting for a proper news story.
I'm hearing Pentagon officials have approached the White House to consider military options in Syria and it looks tonight as if the Russians are now starting to distance themselves from Assad by basically saying their support for his regime is not unconditional.

Damien 06-04-2017 20:47
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
We'll see. It's a pretty big shift if the US is going to intervene in Syria.

1andrew1 07-04-2017 00:20
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Yup, looking more possible by the minute.
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The Pentagon is in detailed discussions with the White House about military options on Syria, according to a US official.
This could include grounding aircraft used by Syrian President Bashar al Assad's forces, the official cited by the Reuters news agency added, speaking on condition of anonymity.
Such options would also include using cruise missiles, allowing the US to strike targets without putting piloted aircraft in the skies above Syria.
http://news.sky.com/story/white-hous...syria-10827749


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