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Jaymoss 22-12-2021 16:24

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36106778)
So ..

Did anyone seriously think that was going to work ?



So why does no one ever suggest the most obvious - dont use them ?
Just disable your account, or make it private (if such an option exists).

You can make an account private but when you interact in a public group then people can respond.

People should be allowed to go about their business without threat and fear of persecution though. Social media site owners have a responsibility to their membership to protect them from such

Where is the justice for the innocent with the "just not use them" approach? How is it right to punish the innocent and leave the guilty to continue doing as they please?

Should women not go to clubs so they cannot get date raped? should people stay in after dark so they cannot get robbed? no doubt it will be said that this is a stupid comparison, but is it? I personally do not think so

Plus on top of all that you are totally missing the whole psychological aspect of social media and the millennial there is an interesting video on it I will see if I can find it


Russ 22-12-2021 16:34

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Should we tell people to lock their doors at night in case they get burgled?

Paul 22-12-2021 16:40

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36106788)
People should be allowed to go about their business without threat and fear of persecution though. Social media site owners have a responsibility to their membership to protect them from such

Much like 'abuse', that's very easy to sit behind a keyboard and say.

In reality however, almost impossible to achieve.
Facebook has roughly 2.89 Billion active users.
Twitter has about 200 Million, Instagram just about 1 Billion.

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Should women not go to clubs so they cannot get date raped? should people stay in after dark so they cannot get robbed? no doubt it will be said that this is a stupid comparison, but is it?
Those things are not the same, so not really a valid comparison.
If you want to try and compare them, the same advice applies, if you think its unsafe, dont do it.

Jaymoss 22-12-2021 16:53

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36106791)
Much like 'abuse', that's very easy to sit behind a keyboard and say.

In reality however, almost impossible to achieve.
Facebook has roughly 2.89 Billion active users.
Twitter has about 200 Million, Instagram just about 1 Billion.


Those things are not the same, so not really a valid comparison.
If you want to try and compare them, the same advice applies, if you think its unsafe, dont do it.

did you watch the video?

Itshim 22-12-2021 16:55

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 3610)


If you want to try and compare them, the same advice applies, if you think its unsafe, dont do it.

Very true , but so many want others to think for them :erm:

Jaymoss 22-12-2021 16:56

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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36106794)
Very true , but so many want others to think for them :erm:

watch the video too. It will give you an idea of the psychology on the subject.

Say just do not do it is exactly the same as telling an alcoholic not to drink or a gambling addict not to gamble. The video explains all this before anyone decides to dismiss me out of hand

Russ 22-12-2021 17:12

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Well I watched it and all I heard was Millennials crave validation. Doesn’t apply to me as I’m not a Millennial. It’s doesn’t “explain” anything, it just offers a particular perspective and one that sounds pretty weak to me in all honesty.

Jaymoss 22-12-2021 17:24

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36106799)
Well I watched it and all I heard was Millennials crave validation. Doesn’t apply to me as I’m not a Millennial. It’s doesn’t “explain” anything, it just offers a particular perspective and one that sounds pretty weak to me in all honesty.

It explains the psychology of addiction.

By your picture one would assume you are a body builder so surely you understand about endorphins? I fine it crazy that someone who must know how good they make you feel after a work out cannot see and understand the role hormones play on the mind.

It is mainly the young "The Millennials" that are falling the most foul of trolling on social media

Russ 22-12-2021 17:29

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36106800)
It explains the psychology of addiction.

By your picture one would assume you are a body builder so surely you understand about endorphins? I fine it crazy that someone who must know how good they make you feel after a work out cannot see and understand the role hormones play on the mind.

Well I’m not addicted to bodybuilding so I’m not sure it’s the same thing.

But if I was I wouldn’t expect anyone to change or rethink their behaviour towards me. The gym is my sanctuary and is what I used to drag myself out of depression (not looking for or requiring sympathy, just giving context).

It may not work for everyone but it worked for me. If someone wants to think I’m stupid for spending as much time in the gym as I do or for the dedication I put in to what I eat as a result then I’m not even slightly bothered. It works for me and in this instance that’s all that counts.

Still not sure I can see your point.

Jaymoss 22-12-2021 17:32

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36106801)
Well I’m not addicted to bodybuilding so I’m not sure it’s the same thing.

But if I was I wouldn’t expect anyone to change or rethink their behaviour towards me. The gym is my sanctuary and is what I used to drag myself out of depression (not looking for or requiring sympathy, just giving context).

It may not work for everyone but it worked for me. If someone wants to think I’m stupid for spending as much time in the gym as I do or for the dedication I put in to what I eat as a result then I’m not even slightly bothered. It works for me and in this instance that’s all that counts.

Still not sure I can see your point.


So imagine for a minute if suddenly a group of bigger meat heads join your gym and start trying to intimidate you and consistently cause you grief. You try to deal with it but get nowhere and management just say "just stop coming" how would you feel about that?

When was the last time you took an extended break from training?

Russ 22-12-2021 17:35

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36106800)

It is mainly the young "The Millennials" that are falling the most foul of trolling on social media

If these people are the ones who put their entire lives on social media and “interact” with followers etc then they have to understand that not everyone will like them. I’m not saying abuse is always justified but if you put yourself out there then you have to expect some negativity.

Accusing the negative people of being “jealous” has always made me laugh. Yep it could be jealousy but then again it could be that the poster is just a bit of a *4 letter swear word* occasionally.

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36106803)
So imagine for a minute if suddenly a group of bigger meat heads join your join and start trying to intimidate you and consistently cause you grief. You try to deal with it but get nowhere and management just say "just stop coming" how would you feel about that?

Hard to answer a hypothetical question as I can’t see that happening - my gym is big enough that when I go at 6am I rarely have any other human interaction and that’s just the way I like it.

In all the years I’ve been going to gyms I’ve never seen or heard of any such scenario so it’s an impossible question. From my limited interact with humans at the gym I’ve always found people to be supportive and encouraging.

Jaymoss 22-12-2021 17:36

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36106804)
If these people are the ones who put their entire lives on social media and “interact” with followers etc then they have to understand that not everyone will like them. I’m not saying abuse is always justified but if you put yourself out there then you have to expect some negativity.

Accusing the negative people of being “jealous” has always made me laugh. Yep it could be jealousy but then again it could be that the poster is just a bit of a *4 letter swear word* occasionally.

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Hard to answer an hypothetical question as I can’t see that happening - my gym is big enough that when I go at 6am I rarely have any other human interaction and that’s just the way I like it.

In all the years I’ve been going to gyms I’ve never seen or heard of any such scenario so it’s an impossible question. From my limited interact with humans at the gym I’ve always found people to be supportive and encouraging.


For someone who has suffered from depression you appear to have very little understanding around mental problems

Try empathy Russ you have suffered, I have suffered and still suffer from depression. I have empathy for others and I have a understanding of not only psychology but also physiology

How do you know you are not addicted to training?

Russ 22-12-2021 17:38

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36106803)

When was the last time you took an extended break from training?

Depends on what you call extended. The last time was earlier this year when gyms were closed for 2/3 months.

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36106807)
For someone who has suffered from depression you appear to have very little understanding around mental problems

Really? You think depression is a one-size-fits-all condition?

Jaymoss 22-12-2021 17:41

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36106808)
Depends on what you call extended. The last time was earlier this year when gyms were closed for 2/3 months.

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Really? You think depression is a one-size-fits-all condition?

Did you still train at home?

Of course not but it has certainly given me empathy and understanding of causes of depression in others.

The whole point of the young/technology/social media with psychology and depression appears to have gone right over your head

Russ 22-12-2021 17:45

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36106811)
Did you still train at home?

Yep.

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36106811)
Of course not but it has certainly given me empathy and understanding of causes of depression in others.

The whole point of the young/technology/social media with psychology and depression appears to have gone right over your head

Well good for you but just because one person has been through depression does not automatically make them qualified to comment on the causes of others.

And why wouldn’t it go over my head? It’s not an area of depression I’m familiar with, I found my own ways to deal with it plus I’m not a Millennial.


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