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I usually agree with most of what you say Neil, but i have to disagree on that point about if 'he' didn't hammer his connection so much, then other customers would have a better service.

I've had many problems with the service from ntl, and not once was it caused by other people (or myself) downloading too much. And from what i've read on this forum, and others, the problems everyone else have been suffering aren't becasue of overuse either. You can't blame people that download too much, for the ongoing (since day one) mail server problems, the ongoing (again since day one) news server problems, and constant outages in certain area's.

The only case i remember of where other people's useage actually affected an area, was in Luton, when ntl oversubscribed the area, and had massive problems with the proxies.

The few people i've seen on here that actually suffered from slower speeds and not being able to reach the speed they should be getting, was due to power problems etc, which some of the guys on here were able to help with.

I would also like to point out that it's actually quite easy to download much more than 2GB a day, in legal downloads. Doesn't mean that everyone is doing it, but it is more than possible. I would also argue that ntl TOLD customers to download pirated films, so they can't really be the moral guardians all of a sudden. :D :Yikes: :D

I'm totally against caps, but i do admit that sometimes there is a need for them. I'm glad to see ntl have taken a semi-sensible approach to them, the wording seems to infer that you will only be contacted if you are a heavy user AND that heavy use is causing problems for other users. That's fair enough. I can understand that i'd be pretty ****ed off if someone else was using up my bandwidth, so i wouldn't wanna do it on other people. :angel:

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That's not what I said though.....

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Uploading is though. And on all P2P networks, you upload while you download. Better stick to newsgroups and IRC. :erm: :D :rolleyes:

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The wording on one part of their site implies that (not infers :p: ), yes.. but then you go to this page and it seems a lot tougher..

http://www.ntlworld.com/service_update.html

So use 1.1GB a day for 3 days out of 14, and you will be contacted, according to that.

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It's still the same point Neil. You're claiming that He and others like him, are degrading the service. Which, as yet, i've seen no evidence for (apart from that time in Luton).

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Neil, it isn't offtopic when you are arguing that somebody downloading 'excessively' in your opinion is doing something illegal, when what you are referring to isn't actually illegal.

Next.

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It is Off topic.

This thread is entitled "*ALL* ntl Cap Discussion Here Please", & you post of is in no way relevant to ntl & their decision to cap their users.

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ITS ALL RUBBISH, why do the admin here insist that NTL is/has suddenly enforced caps with the new service and if anybody asks about them they say that they are on a capped service.

Simple matter is we are not at present!
NTL says 1meg users will be monitored and cap brought in later this year, and 2/3meg users have a 1gig a day/30gig a month useage (nothing mentioned about caps).

basically nothing has changed from the 1.5 to the new speeds apart from the 1meg service where caps will be implemented this year (maybe)

Basically is clever wording by NTL to confuse everyone into THINKING that there is a capped service in place when at present there isn't and probably never will be on highest tier for the forseeable future

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No, what you said was anyone downloading 2GB a day (even though I am not doing that; you inferred it. Check my usage log posted previously) is downloading copyrighted material. What you said was wrong.
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Man I really hope you are right.. time will tell. I am gonna continue exceeding the 1GB limit and see what happens. I know I should at least get a letter asking me to cut back, before they take more drastic action.

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That's constructive.

I wasn't aware that any of us had said anything of the sort, but please show me the post(s) if you know differently. :)

That's correct.

So's that.

Except ntl have now stated they will be monitoring people's usage, & will be offering them solutions should they exceed the guidelines.

That's just speculation on your part re your 'highest tier' comment, but the fact still remains that ntl will be addressing users who they feel exceed their definition of acceptable use.

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Oh right, so this was on topic aswell? I was referring to your constant, 'if anybody downloads over 1, 2gb a day then they are doing something illegal'.

I was pointing out you are wrong, not arguing the legality of downloading/p2p. The problem is, you can never admit you are wrong. That is all.

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That was in reference to the comment about how much data he "wanted"

Wrong about what? :LOL:

That an opinion or a fact? :shrug:

Ok. :wavey:

Anyway-we're both taking this off topic now, so if you want to continue this discussion, we'll keep it off the board. :)

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Wrong about saying or implying that anyone using 2GB a day must be breaking the law. Wrong about saying 2GB a day is excessive for home use.

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What evidence would you expoect to see, and why would you think YOU would be in a better position to judge it than the people that manage ntl's service?

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lol, was waiting for you to pick my post apart

You have yourself said that we are on a capped service in other posts to other users.

the 2/3meg users which you say is capped isn't capped its a guidleine, how can it be capped when it cannot be enforced by NTL, NTL say capped yes, but come on it isn't if they cannot do it their end, clever play on words by NTL part

NTL have stated that they will be monitoring 1meg users only, all it say about 2/3meg users is they have the right to contact you if "regularly exceed their daily usage allowance, where such excessive use impacts the quality of service for other ntl broadband customers."
where does it say monitoring? - too me thats not monitoring UNLESS someone phones in and complains of bad speed in your area upon which its checked out where its going and to whom.

so the bit where you say "but the fact still remains that ntl will be addressing users who they feel exceed their definition of acceptable use." - has been said ever since 1.5meg was brought out and no-one unless outlined by above has been contacted.

Simple fact NTL hasn't ATM got the gear to cap us, so how can it be called capping?, it isn't - but like this post it proves that clever wording by NTL makes everyone believe that they are and follow the guidline when infact you have to be extremely unlucky to be contacted