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The size of the economy doesn't really mean anything. If depends on what and how much you export to them. A possible 0.2% increase in GDP isn't much when you balance it out against import duties that are no longer going into the EU budget.

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Exactly. I'm sure those east-of-Poland social media accounts will be encouraging followers to adopt a victim, establishment-is-against us, everyone-else-is-to-blame narrative.

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Of course the size of an economy you have a free trade deal with matters! It's Brexit logic to imply the potential of a free trade deal with a poor economy is of equal potential to a strong economy.

I suppose that might be the future for us though!

The EU will inevitably take some hit from Brexit, but it also knows we will too and it can hold out longer. We could hit real supply side problems within days of Brexit. That gives them leverage.

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What will is that then?

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We've spent the last two years not negotiating a trade deal but faffing around with a withdrawal agreement. As I understand it, we could have negotiated a trade deal in this time so that when we left on 29 March, we would have a trade deal with the EU and some deals across the world ready to sign at the annointed hour.

I genuinely think it would have been easier if everyone had acknowledged that the Irish border was a genuine issue, did not come up with daft red lines and we spent more than the four days a year that David Davis did on negotiations!

We came up with a whole bunch of red lines, ignored the Irish border hoping it would either go away and magically hoped everything would sort itself out.

But let's not pretend that trade deals are a simple matter of cut and pasting UK in place of EU. As Simon Jacks, the BBC's Business Editor notes, "For products to enjoy preferential terms under a trade deal, there is a requirement for them to be predominantly made of components from that country. In the trade deal the EU has with South Korea, 55% of the car components must be from the EU.
If the same test was applied to the UK as a stand-alone country, none of the cars manufactured here would pass a test requiring 55% of components to come from the UK."

That's not Project Fear. It's reality.

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As has been said many, many, many, many , many times before for those of the hard of understanding.

We’re not negotiating a FTA, we’re trying to negotiate a Withdrawl agreement.

A FTA should be very easy as we’re already aligned regulatory wise. Which is also why a backstop should not be needed and is obviously for some other reason.

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You need to take a big big spoonful of realism.....try it, let go, free yourself you’ll feel better.

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I think it's reasonable to say that the island of Ireland wants no border and the north would prefer to remain in the customs union to facilitate cross border trade.

It's only the Members for the 17th Century, the DUP, who want to see otherwise. Polling in Great Britain considers it a price worth paying for an orderly Brexit.

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One myth about Theresa May's deal that needs dispelling.

We can never be trapped in a permanent customs union. As a sovereign nation we can always quit any kind of arrangement by resorting to the Vienna convention on international treaties.

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As long as that union did not differentiate them from the rest of the UK, defacto unifying the Island of Ireland and separating from the UK.

they are protecting the interests of their voters, that are as British as someone from Norwich.

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But then we’re no further along as we are now?

Better to sort it out, or not, now.

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Northern Ireland already has different laws - e.g. abortion as stated above.

It could easily retain it's own identity, the Queen and alignment to the UK over the vast vast majority of areas. Which most of them would probably vote for given the choice.

This farce is only going to push a united Ireland closer. Without bringing up who is likely to die off sooner rather than later, the birth rate is higher in nationalist voting communities than the unionist communities.

Brexit is truly an exceptional act of British Nationalism removing the objectivity of normally rational people over a huge number of issues.

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With a Customs Union we would have to slavishly follow EU rules, WITHOUT having any say in them. We would NOT be able to set our own rules. We also would NOT be able to do other trade deals with other countries in product/service areas covered by the Customs Union. We would have to apply the same import tariffs that the EU tells us to. Turkey may be happy with that, then again the EU is gives them BILLIONS in cash.

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There’s a joke in there about Catholic’s and Protestants, but I don’t need to go there as Monty Python did.

https://youtu.be/bzVHjg3AqIQ

https://youtu.be/PDBjsFAyiwA

Enjoy!

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I just explained that we can never be trapped in a Customs Union. Nothing you have said alters that fact.

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But then we would be in a "no deal" situation. Those things/situations would exist as long as we part of(ie a slave to) a Customs Union. A customs union isn't the solution to anything.

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The assertion that Theresa May's deal traps us in a Customs Union indefinitely is false. That is the point I am making.

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It doesn’t automatically trap us in a customs union forever, but if the backstop as currently conceived is triggered, it does trap us in one until the EU agrees we can leave. Unlike Article 50, under which we have the right to walk away, the backstop within the withdrawal agreement surrenders that right. Given the many things various EU members might want to extract concessions over - fishing access, Gibraltar, to name but two - it is intolerable for us to allow ourselves to be trapped in such a way. The backstop is such an insane idea that I have trouble believing May ever believed it would get past Parliament. In fact I find it easier to believe that she brought it back so that parliament could reject it and (hopefully) strengthen her hand to gain a better deal from the EU.

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Emotive language to inflame things.

I’m part of a relationship, not a slave to it.

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No sovereign nation can be trapped in such a way. We can leave by resorting to the Vienna Convention on International Treaties.

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Fish!

Considering the £600bn trade between Britain and the EU (and the rebate!), there’s a lot of emphasis on something in the we net loss in small hundreds of millions once you factor in what we fish in EU waters.

I can’t help but think it’s purely emotive. “It’s our fish”. Just as they say in Scotland “it’s oor oil”.

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Unusual development.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/p...ction-13951871

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Exactly. Emotional more than rational.

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Wasn't the back stop Mrs Mays idea, tbh I've not read it but the little I've managed to learn after filtering out the bs the fanatics peddle, it seems to me that being in it is the cake and eat it situation we were told we couldn't have, no extra payments, no free movement, no new laws and complete unfettered access to and as part of the customs union tariff free for our goods and more importantly services. I must have misunderstood it what with being so bored of the whole thing and a bit of a thicko but I can't believe the EU agreed to this let alone as some would believe came up with it, seems to me it goes against all the principles they claim to hold so dear, plus I bet there's a way out of it to, it was claimed by some that we couldn't get out after golden brown signed us up to Lisbon treaty, when not only could we there was a specific mechanism to enable it

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With a Customs Union, we wouldn't have a say over the setting of product rules or tariffs. Doesn't sound like a "relationship".


The Customs Union agreement with Turkey is basically a long list of EU directives, rules, and regulations that Turkey has to apply.




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Link


Why? That doesn't happen at the moment with any EU country. Goods can be shipped into Germany from China, and then onto France with no checks. The Chinese manufacturers often(depending on product type) self-certify that they meet EU regs. The regs only apply to goods that are marketed and sold. They don't apply for goods merely being present. There are examples of goods being produced in the EU that don't meet EU regs. Obvious example is the horsemeat-beef scandal. Meat from EU countries was horsemeat, not beef.

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Now why didn't you copy and paste the entire article or at least the part where it said Mrs May rejected that continually and came up with her own version of the backstop

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I’m unsure what you mean by your rhetorical question. However, as a number of people have made clear Brexit is about ideology and not economics. Which is fine, but it doesn’t make it any more rational than extreme Communism.

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The principle of a backstop was still originally the EU's idea and at their insistence.

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Both make the country poorer, less international and more bureaucratic so a fair comparison.

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A sovereign nation cannot be held in a backstop against its will. That's an ERG myth.

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A sovereign nation that believes in the rule of law and respect for international treaties can.

The backstop, once entered, would apply until both sides agreed to end it. At a time when the EU had everything to gain from withholding agreement until it had extracted maximum concessions in trade negotiations, such a position would be intolerable.

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The backstop for Ireland was the EU idea to prevent a hard border/keep us in the customs union/carve up N.Ireland away from the UK depending on how you view it. The application of the backstop for the entire UK has our idea to avoid splitting off N.Ireland from the union and is a concession/cunning ruse from the EU. I think in theory it does sort of split the four freedoms but it's not proper single market membership so at least symbolical means they didn't concede on that.

The pro-backstop argument is that it'll be easy to get out of because it's not ideal for the EU either. The anti-backstop argument is, I guess, that the EU's ability to stop us leaving gives them additional leverage.

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Oh dear, this Government can't even bribe someone properly:

Nissan was offered secret state aid to cope with Brexit, minister concedes

As this seems to be true, lying to the public (repeatedly) would, in the past, be seen as a certain case for resigning. No more it seems.

The Tory party is a long way from the One Nation Conservatism of its roots. It has become a grubby shadow of its former self.

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IE The backstop remains until the EU signs up to a subsequent agreement which has to deal with the alleged issues. If they don't agree with any proposals, then the backstop remains. All the EU has to do is say that they used their "best endeavours" to reach a subsequent agreement.

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Its a long way from Benjamin Disraeli's political philosophy.

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At last some sanity amongst all the scaremongering. One wonders why anybody would want to do extra checks over and above what is currently done for illegals and smuggling?

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https://twitter.com/faisalislam/stat...18256933273600

The United States might be taking 'Ireland's side' over the backstop:

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Because it’s the most effective way to ensure tariffs are correctly applied?

Far from sanity this is an admission we aren’t prepared and are willing to have no control over our borders for a period.

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That's going to cause huge complaints from non-EU countries to the WTO if we treat the EU differently from other countries. Considering we haven't got our tariff schedule past the WTO yet which requires unanimous agreement, might be best not to aggravate other WTO members right now.

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Harder to please 167 than 27. With any favouritism used as leverage to flood the UK with goods from China & the USA. Really great for our farmers and already limited manufacturing base.

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It's also gonna really upset our own manufacturing sector.

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The advocates for the Hard Brexit have already conceded that the car industry will need to be "run down"



The devastating future for Welsh manufacturing predicted by a Brexit economist - and why he said it was a good thing

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IRISH EYES AREN'T SMILING Bullying EU bosses threaten to cut off Ireland if it doesn’t put up hard border after Brexit
Top euro MPs said protecting the bloc's Single Market - which Britain will leave after Brexit - will be more important than keeping the peace in Northern Ireland if the UK quits without an agreement

Senior German MEP Elmar Brok said if Ireland failed to police the frontier "we would have to set up a customs border with Ireland".


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit...-after-brexit/

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It’s essentially a legal obligation. Why should the EU accept a soft entry point for products below EU standards to enter the EU?

This isn’t a problem of Europe or Ireland created. Britain wants to exit the Single Market and Customs Union. That creates a border between Britain and the EU.

Not policing it is not a serious option. Would we tolerate illegal migration over it?

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How would we stop illegal immigrants coming over from the EU, through Ireland, to NI then mainland Britain, without a hard border?

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It's a long way in a dingy.

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Same distance in a catamaran or ferry.

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He is factually correct. Would you prefer him not to be?

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Why don't they just get a ferry straight to the UK.

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Because we are looking - that’s the entire point!

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So you're saying the Irish don't check for illegal immigrants?

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It’s a statement of fact to say Britain wants to leave the EU, Single Market and Customs Union. It’s a statement of fact to say that the Irish Republic does not.

Therefore this situation, that didn’t exist before now, does so because of Britain. It’s impossible to not have a border.

As much as the Empire types would love to see it in the Channel between the EU mainland and the islands of Ireland and Great Britain it’s not going to happen, and infringes on Irish sovereignty of all things!

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No, and you damn well know that’s not the point I made.

A migrant from the EU can enter the island of Ireland legally anywhere in the Republic. They can walk across the non-exitant border into the occupied six counties.

Presumably we don’t intend to put more stingent controls on travel from Northern Ireland to Great Britain?

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Indeed, they would have to go to Ireland, then NI and onto the mainland as there will be no checks because of the Common Travel Area. Actually, thinking about it, I don't think that they'd even need to bother going to NI, but it would probably be less risky to do so.

If they came from another country they are far more likely to be stopped by immigration.

Was there a time when either the ROI or NI weren't in the EU and the other was? Ireland joined on 1/1/73, not sure of the exact date we joined in 1973. If so, what did we do then?

Perhaps it didn't matter if we had a hard border anyway in 1973. AFAIK it was the Good Friday Agreement that led to it being removed the last time; i've only ever crossed it after the the GFA was in place.

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You would be best posing that question to Hugh and not me as he constructed the scenario. Why do you think they might follow the route Hugh suggested?

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No.

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Everyone calm down and stop taking pot-shots at each other.

This is closed for a bit to let everyone take a time out. Remember you're talking to actual people who you might well get on with if it wasn't for the anonymising nature of the internet.

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2019/02/2.png

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Open again

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Because it’s very easily to put in hard checkpoints at Airports and ferry terminals. As they do now

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That may be a genuine element for negotiation. If the N.I. Assembly agreed we they could say freedom of movement applies to eu and N.I. But not GB. Unless DUP block, which is fine.

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Slight flaw in the plan. There is no NI Assembly to agree anything.

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Donaghadee and Portpatrick are the same distance apart as Dover and Calais - they could try the same methods as they do now in the Channel.

Re: Brexit
 

Footage finds Corbyn knocking the EU https://www.theredroar.com/2019/02/e...rthed-footage/

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It's the will of the people, they won't mind having their lives wrecked as long as they're free, that said Minford has made a career out of being wrong so let's hope his run continues a while longer

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Unless I have misunderstood are we saying that the border would be between the island of Ireland and the mainland? I think this was originally what the EU suggested but the DUP would lose their minds over it, makes it seem like Great Britain is a different country, so that's why the backstop applies to all the U.K?

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That's how I understand it too.

There are rumours going round that May is to call a general election soon. It's crossed my mind that she might think that a hard border is the only way forward to resolve the situation.

Obviously, the DUP would not be happy about this and would withdraw their support for the Government. Without their support she would lose her working majority and, particularly as her authority keeps being questioned, she possibly thinks that calling a GE will either end up with her receiving a larger majority to govern or she will lose and let someone else deal eith this.

I know that she said she wouldn't take the Tories into the next GE, but she has form for saying one thing and doing the opposite and may think that it's now got to the point of 'do or die'.

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It would also force the Tories to choose a new leader, if her previous claims of not continuing as leader into the next GE are to be believed? Yet there seems to be no appetite within the Tory party for anyone else to lead, an odd conundrum.

Re: Brexit
 

Extending the backstop to all of the UK was an EU concession to help May sell her deal to the DUP.

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"Wonders what What a Special place in hell looks like for Brexiteers" - Donald Tusk.

What an absolute disgusting prick, up yours Mr Tusk and take your cancerous and corrupted empire with you, clown. :2up: - my vote to leave the corrupted EU, just got extra solidified!!!

Re: Brexit
 

He did say those who promoted Brexit without a plan. Not Brexiters generally.

Although I suspect he is smart enough to know how it would be spun and decided he wanted that reaction.

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Brexiteers have not had a chance to promote a plan with a Remain led Government/PM and Civil servants, so he was talking absolute bollocks as usual.

He is a corrupted fool and total prick. Totally glad I crossed my box to leave that absolutely disgusting rotting empire AKA the EU!!!

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He didn't actually say that, that quote is probably a fake news site stirring things up. I would have agreed you if he had said that.

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The problem is though they could have shared the plan they had. It is a secret still for some reason.

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It is not fake - he said it, ALL Brexiteers promote Brexit - that is what makes them a Brexiteer :dozey:, sheesh the sheer arrogance of the man.

What a total utter moron EUCO President is. Yet as usual, the Remainers come to the rescue and defense of the disgusting and undemocratic EU empire, while they mock us so openly.

Re: Brexit
 

Here's what he actually said.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47143135

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"Wonders what a special place in hell looks like for Brexiteers who promoted Brexit without a plan."

If you are a Brexiteer, you promote Brexit.

We have a plan - it's called leaving the cancerous and corrupted EU in it's entirety!!!

Re: Brexit
 

Exactly.

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Impossible to have a Brexit plan when anything you could come up with depends on what the EU allows us to do.

Re: Brexit
 

I thought it might be worth popping in after Donald Tusks words today (what is it about Donalds eh?) I don't know if anyone has been watching Inside Europe: Ten Years of Turmoil on BBC2 over the last couple of weeks which has been fascinating BTW. Donald Tusk certainly comes across as blunt in that program so what he said today was not altogether surprising.

There seems to be a collective losing of rags on Twitter about what was said but if there's a plan, it looks like people are getting angry vicariously

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Yes a good insight into the EU.

As for Tusk he's just showing off to his new best mate.

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I doubt Brexiteers would be happy with this though as it would be considered too close to the EU. The whole thing is stirring up things best left alone eg there are now calls for a vote on unifying Ireland.

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They had no plan. It was quite deliberate - see:

https://dominiccummings.com/2015/06/...nd-referendum/

Written in 2015 by Dominic Cummings, the brains behind the Leave campaign. He quite clearly articulates why the Leave campaign cannot have a plan in order to win the vote:

Tusk is so right:

Of course the truth would be unpalatable to some but at some point you need to face this truth.

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As there was no plan, there is nothing vicarious about it. These people deliberately constructed the biggest con trick in history: redefine the entire economic & structural fabric of the country with no plan, based on a campaign of lies, rule breaking and deceit.

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Cummings is quite right, which is precisely why it’s bananas to condemn the Leave campaign for not having a plan. It was never their job to have a plan. It was actually David Cameron’s - his government called the referendum and should have been prepared for all possible outcomes. There were only two possible outcomes after all.

No he isn’t. It isn’t the job of any senior foreign politician to make moral judgments about the democratic campaigns and votes held within sovereign, democratic nation states. That he has done so, and quite deliberately, speaks volumes about the Messiah complex that plagues the EU’s institutions and is one of the many reasons why Leave was the best outcome for country’s long term prosperity.

You are of course at liberty to continue to tell yourself that Leave voters were all deluded, conned, duped or whatever. Ultimately that will only feed into your own sense of national identity and make you feel miserable. It’s your problem. But should you ever feel like rejoining reality, you would be most welcome.

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:clap: ;)

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Yet again we disagree :) If you believe that there were only "only two possible outcomes" then your delusion is complete. The fault for this mess is solely at the feet of those who orchestrated it. Simple. You may wish to wish this away but you will need to face it one day.

He has every right to make a judgment if the crass incompetence of the UK authorities affects the lives and prosperity of the citizens he represents. I am afraid bad decisions have consequences that need to be owned by the people who are responsible.

We are all in this reality that this shambles has led us to. You are proud of it, fine but don't patronise the rest of us who said this was going to happen.

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It was a binary vote - the outcome could only be either leave or remain. The government pledged in materials published prior to the vote that it would implement the outcome. The only body that can possibly be held accountable for not planning at all for both of the possible outcomes of the vote called by HMG is HMG, specifically the government led by David Cameron until 2016.

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... and if you’re suggesting Tusk was aiming his comments at the “authorities” you’re giving his words a spin he did not - he aimed his comments at Brexiteers, not May’s government or the civil service.

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At Brexiters who promoted leaving without a plan...

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Indeed.

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As much as I might be sarcastic about it I can accept the Leave campaign did not need to provide a detailed plan upon winning the vote. However the people promoting that campaign and especially those who were senior politicians did make statements about the benefits of Leaving. They will be partly responsible if those outcomes fail to materialise. History might vindicate them in the time and we'll look back in 5, 10, 20 years from now as having made the right decision or we might not.

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Thank you .. although this was pretty obvious if you read what he said.

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Why didn't they? This is the elephant (or unicorn) in the room here. You want to change the economic and structural integrity of the country and affect the lives and well being of UK *and* EU citizens then you better have a plan .. a damn good one.

.. but they didn't .. deliberately so.

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As usual - you are wrong - we did not need or require a plan - there is only one plan - that is to leave the EU, no other plan is required - to say Brexiteers that have no plan, should be found a place in hell is not right at all and totally ludicrous but trust the likes of you to agree with your undemocratic chums in the corrupted and disgusting EU. :rolleyes:

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You're just confirming what Chris is saying FFS. :rolleyes:

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It would've been impossible to have a plan without already agreeing it with the EU, and the EU would never agree a plan until after the referendum.

The problem with any other sort of question in the referendum was clearly demonstrated in recent House of Commons votes. People on completely opposite viewpoints would vote yes or no. One side would vote "no" because it went too far, and the opposing side would vote "no" because it didn't go far enough. The resultant "verdict" didn't actually demonstrate anything.


The EU has some idea of what we are looking for, because of the pre-referendum EU reform talks.

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A good description of the Remain Camp of lies there. :rolleyes:

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If we don't need a plan, what are all the UK 'no deal' guidance papers for? Plenty of work seems to have gone in to these - https://www.gov.uk/government/collec...u-with-no-deal

Was this incompetence by the DExEU in wasting taxpayers money?

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Irrelevant - You're talking about preparations for carrying out one single plan of leaving the corrupted EU. :rolleyes:

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So it's a plan then?

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Well, um - when you vote for that something to happen, er yeah... :rolleyes: :dozey: :dunce:

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Go on, you let it all out mate, can't be doing you any good with all that vitriol inside . . give it a big blast and see how much better you feel in the morning ;)

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What on earth are you talking about? Are you trying to make a point here?

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:D:D:D

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Leaving is a proposition:

.. not a plan. A plan is defined as :

No plan then .. :rolleyes:

Also "trust the likes of you " .. don't make it personal, chill out ..

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It's a cleverer insult by Tusk than first apparent. To rebut it, you would have to both reveal your plan and then try and explain why you kept it covered up!

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Better out than in :D

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Exactly. I am confused why people are getting so upset about this whole thing. I can only imagine it one or more of the following;

1. There is no plan for leaving safely
2. People feel that Donald Tusk is suggesting that there is no plan for leaving safely even though there is
3. There's an uppity foreigner who is not only employed by the EU but is Polish talking about us

I am sure the first one isn't true as that would be catastrophically negligent. The second is the most likely. No comment on the third...

Re: Brexit
 

Your #1 should really be "There was no plan for leaving safely and there still isn't" :)

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Just a reminder from the one of the Leaders of the official Leave campaign why Donald Tusk is angry:

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2019/02/5.jpg

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Yes, the EU is annoyed "because the UK voted for Brexit but keeps looking to Brussels to come up with ways to make its exit workable and painless."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47152349