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1andrew1 29-02-2020 08:17
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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36025628)
And paying £1 for each $1 they pay over the pond
Except for boxing PPV where they pay far more than us.

Chad 29-02-2020 12:20
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Britbox struggling to retain subscribers

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dai...ree-trial.html

denphone 29-02-2020 12:24
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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 36025931)
Britbox struggling to retain subscribers

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dai...ree-trial.html
Can we be surprised Chad.

Chad 29-02-2020 12:34
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36025933)
Can we be surprised Chad.
Definitely not. Looks like this is going to be a big loss maker for BBC and ITV.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47389420

"ITV has said it will spend £25m on BritBox this year and £40m in 2020. The BBC has not given any comparable figures"

They're not going to break even based on the subscription numbers reported in the Mail. ITV won't ride this donkey for long. I give Britbox 24 months maximum

Raider999 29-02-2020 12:35
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36025922)
Except for boxing PPV where they pay far more than us.
Certainly far more than I don't 😄

denphone 29-02-2020 12:42
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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 36025936)
Definitely not. Looks like this is going to be a big loss maker for BBC and ITV.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47389420

"ITV has said it will spend £25m on BritBox this year and £40m in 2020. The BBC has not given any comparable figures"

They're not going to break even based on the subscription numbers reported in the Mail. ITV won't ride this donkey for long. I give Britbox 24 months maximum
l think it will last less then that as l remember l and others made a prediction a fair while back and were laughed out of town and l know my predictions personally are nearly as bad as our most revered poster on here but he is strictly premier league when it comes to predictions.:D

General Maximus 29-02-2020 12:46
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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 36025931)
Britbox struggling to retain subscribers[/url]
and that proves the point I have been making all along, you can look at this as a trial for expanded demand of the service if the license fee is abolished as I am hoping it will be within the next few years and this shows that nobody is interested in paying for substandard tv. Make the BBC stand on their own two feet like everyone else has to and they will no longer be able to hide behind "we do the best we can because we are advert free". You'll see a massive shift as they try to produce tv series which people actually want to watch and match the quality of their rivals. This service is charging more than Disney+ is and does it match up to Lucasfilm, Disney, Pixar, Marvel and National Geographic? NO! The said thing is that now they have got a clear picture that nobody is interested in paying when given the option, you are going to see a massive effort on their part now to do everything they can to keep the license fee going.

Chris 29-02-2020 17:59
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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 36025931)
Britbox struggling to retain subscribers

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dai...ree-trial.html
I can’t say I’m very surprised - they’re trying to be an online video library, about 10 years after Netflix first realised that the model was unsustainable and that in the long run only new, exclusive content would justify the subscription. BBC and ITV are broadcast free to air into our homes. Everything they have made that I’ve wanted to see, for the most part I’ve already seen. That which I haven’t, I’m not sufficiently bothered about to pay for. Even the BBC stuff that is on Netflix, I hardly bother with. There’s plenty of new content there.

pip08456 29-02-2020 18:22
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36025962)
I can’t say I’m very surprised - they’re trying to be an online video library, about 10 years after Netflix first realised that the model was unsustainable and that in the long run only new, exclusive content would justify the subscription. BBC and ITV are broadcast free to air into our homes. Everything they have made that I’ve wanted to see, for the most part I’ve already seen. That which I haven’t, I’m not sufficiently bothered about to pay for. Even the BBC stuff that is on Netflix, I hardly bother with. There’s plenty of new content there.
As the price point is similar to the streamers coming on line who are offering new content along with their libraries of films and boxed sets it's a no brainer why Brit Box is struggling to retain subscribers after the free trial. What are they offering to keep subscribers?

This is what OB has been going on about for the past few years. BBC and ITV have to make their mind up. Stay FTA or go online and stream. No halfway house of doing both.

Chris 29-02-2020 18:59
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To be fair, OB has been predicting the end of linear broadcast TV, with all the monotony of the bloke in sandwich boards outside the market, not the dangers of trying to have a foot in both camps.

It’s absolutely true though, you can’t expect people to pay the same for a library of things they’ve already seen for free as they pay for a library of new content. The only way Britbox can work is if it gets as much new content as Netflix gets. It can’t do that unless ITV decides to bankroll it - under its current charter its unlikely that the BBC would be allowed to do this even via BBC Worldwide, its commercial operation.

OLD BOY 29-02-2020 20:53
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36025969)
To be fair, OB has been predicting the end of linear broadcast TV, with all the monotony of the bloke in sandwich boards outside the market, not the dangers of trying to have a foot in both camps.

It’s absolutely true though, you can’t expect people to pay the same for a library of things they’ve already seen for free as they pay for a library of new content. The only way Britbox can work is if it gets as much new content as Netflix gets. It can’t do that unless ITV decides to bankroll it - under its current charter its unlikely that the BBC would be allowed to do this even via BBC Worldwide, its commercial operation.
Actually, I have. We are at the beginning of a transitional period, and as long as the linear channels remain, this will reduce the incentive of people to shift over to OTT.

Incidentally, the reason I don my sandwich boards is to respond to the ridiculous and persistent protestations, without supporting links, that the linear channels will carry on forever. This is patently not true and I make no apology for setting the record straight on this.

On your second paragraph, we agree.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/13/b...vertising.html

Mad Max 29-02-2020 21:16
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36025990)
Actually, I have. We are at the beginning of a transitional period, and as long as the linear channels remain, this will reduce the incentive of people to shift over to OTT.

Incidentally, the reason I don my sandwich boards is to respond to the ridiculous and persistent protestations, without supporting links, that the linear channels will carry on forever. This is patently not true and I make no apology for setting the record straight on this.

On your second paragraph, we agree.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/13/b...vertising.html

Bang on, OB....

Chris 29-02-2020 21:44
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Setting the record straight ... roffle.

There is no record. There are predictions, generally made by those with an interest in seeing it happen.

But we digress.

ScottishSteve 29-02-2020 22:25
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ITV have a history of failed ventures which have only been half baked and ultimately failed.

ITV Digital (ONdigital)
ITV Sports Channel
ITV News Channel

To name but a few

Britbox was started too early with a smaller catalogue of content and limited device availability with no proper testing before releasing apps FireTV is/was full of bugs and sign in issues.

First impressions and all that.

For the same price Disney+ will wipe the board with content as well as superior picture and sound quality from launch.

As previous folk have said it’s original content that drives people to the streamers not recycled rubbish from years ago.

Legendkiller2k 01-03-2020 02:30
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Originally Posted by ScottishSteve (Post 36026016)
ITV have a history of failed ventures which have only been half baked and ultimately failed.

ITV Digital (ONdigital)
ITV Sports Channel
ITV News Channel

To name but a few

Britbox was started too early with a smaller catalogue of content and limited device availability with no proper testing before releasing apps FireTV is/was full of bugs and sign in issues.

First impressions and all that.

For the same price Disney+ will wipe the board with content as well as superior picture and sound quality from launch.

As previous folk have said it’s original content that drives people to the streamers not recycled rubbish from years ago.
Deluded and ignorant thinking Disney will wipe the board with content on Disney+ no they will not Disney+ is aimed at family viewing that's it, Disney+ will not even have half the ammount of content Netflix has.
Also Disney+ had a lot of issues when it launched in the USA.
You're in for a very big disappointment when Disney+ launches in uk.
As for Britbox it have fail written all over it from day one everyone and his cat could see that.
For the record i've been beta testing Disney+ and it aint all that.

ScottishSteve 01-03-2020 10:58
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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36026024)
Deluded and ignorant thinking Disney will wipe the board with content on Disney+ no they will not Disney+ is aimed at family viewing that's it, Disney+ will not even have half the ammount of content Netflix has.
Also Disney+ had a lot of issues when it launched in the USA.
You're in for a very big disappointment when Disney+ launches in uk.
As for Britbox it have fail written all over it from day one everyone and his cat could see that.
For the record i've been beta testing Disney+ and it aint all that.
I don’t know how you can say it’s ignorant and deluded when you agree that Britbox will fail, I was comparing the advance marketing etc.

I probably won’t subscribe to Disney+ personally as it’s not for me but the difference is they are throwing everything at it with exclusives from the offset. I’m glad to hear they are testing, we never heard much about Britbox beta testing and their apps certainly weren’t tested for long.

I’m quite sure Disney+ in its testing format won’t have many if any of their upcoming exclusives on board yet.

Britbox is full of stuff that has been recycled for years and is available elsewhere on the likes of Netflix and Prime who have a vast array of exclusives or even on ad supported platforms for free.

cheekyangus 01-03-2020 11:28
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They did say there would eventually be shows commissioned exclusively for BritBox. It's risky launching the UK version without a few ready though, because once the perception of the service is that it's only old shows, it will be difficult to shift no matter how much you market it otherwise. Though Netflix managed it, despite still being full of old stuff.

Legendkiller2k 01-03-2020 12:50
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Originally Posted by ScottishSteve (Post 36026037)
I don’t know how you can say it’s ignorant and deluded when you agree that Britbox will fail, I was comparing the advance marketing etc.

I probably won’t subscribe to Disney+ personally as it’s not for me but the difference is they are throwing everything at it with exclusives from the offset. I’m glad to hear they are testing, we never heard much about Britbox beta testing and their apps certainly weren’t tested for long.

I’m quite sure Disney+ in its testing format won’t have many if any of their upcoming exclusives on board yet.

Britbox is full of stuff that has been recycled for years and is available elsewhere on the likes of Netflix and Prime who have a vast array of exclusives or even on ad supported platforms for free.
Maybe i mis-understood your post if so i apologise, it came across as you was saying Disney+ will wipe the floor with everyone.
I would recommend taking up he trial just for the mandarian though but imo that is all that was worth watching on Disney+
It will be very interesting in a years time though when SKYs deal expires with Disney.

ScottishSteve 01-03-2020 12:57
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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36026052)
Maybe i mis-understood your post if so i apologise, it came across as you was saying Disney+ will wipe the floor with everyone.
I would recommend taking up he trial just for the mandarian though but imo that is all that was worth watching on Disney+
It will be very interesting in a years time though when SKYs deal expires with Disney.
Absolutely they are going in full pelt and with the might of Disney they have one hell of an advertising budget.

Britbox on the other hand is like opening a pub doing nothing except opening the door and hope some punters come in.

They might stay for one or two but probably move on to the next one if there is nothing much happening.

Chad 01-03-2020 15:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottishSteve (Post 36026016)
ITV have a history of failed ventures which have only been half baked and ultimately failed.

ITV Digital (ONdigital)
ITV Sports Channel
ITV News Channel

To name but a few

Britbox was started too early with a smaller catalogue of content and limited device availability with no proper testing before releasing apps FireTV is/was full of bugs and sign in issues.

First impressions and all that.

For the same price Disney+ will wipe the board with content as well as superior picture and sound quality from launch.

As previous folk have said it’s original content that drives people to the streamers not recycled rubbish from years ago.
Add ITV Encore and ITV Box Office to the list. ITV always seem to jump on the bandwagon late, waste their money for a couple of years then lose interest.

ScottishSteve 01-03-2020 15:41
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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 36026061)
Add ITV Encore and ITV Box Office to the list. ITV always seem to jump on the bandwagon late, waste their money for a couple of years then lose interest.
Totally agree, IMHO Britbox is probably a decade too late for them, though I suppose they did try then with Project Kangaroo but the competition commission never allowed it.

OLD BOY 02-03-2020 15:33
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Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36026041)
They did say there would eventually be shows commissioned exclusively for BritBox. It's risky launching the UK version without a few ready though, because once the perception of the service is that it's only old shows, it will be difficult to shift no matter how much you market it otherwise. Though Netflix managed it, despite still being full of old stuff.
It is indeed a risky strategy. I certainly would not have launched the service as they did.

Given the initial reaction to the old material on there, both Sky and Virgin have decided not to have Britbox on their platforms. That is bad news indeed for ITV. They could have done so much better thsn this, how disappointing! Where are all these originals we were promised, anyway.

Too little, too late when they start coming through, I expect.

Hugh 02-03-2020 17:21
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36026114)
It is indeed a risky strategy. I certainly would not have launched the service as they did.

Given the initial reaction to the old material on there, both Sky and Virgin have decided not to have Britbox on their platforms. That is bad news indeed for ITV. They could have done so much better thsn this, how disappointing! Where are all these originals we were promised, anyway.

Too little, too late when they start coming through, I expect.
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36000496)
This is why I don't understand why so many people are so convinced that Britbox will fail.The popularity of archive material should not be underestimated.

pip08456 02-03-2020 17:42
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As OB said, where are all the originals promised. You need the originals to go along with archive material.

Legendkiller2k 02-03-2020 17:45
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DAZN launches in UK so much for those predicting it wouldn't launch in uk a while back https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/bo...g-line-up.html

Streaming giants DAZN launch in the UK with plans to smash Sky and BT Sport's domination of the market by winning rights for big fights including Deontay Wilder-Tyson Fury III AND Premier League coverage

denphone 02-03-2020 17:46
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36026123)
As OB said, where are all the originals promised. You need the originals to go along with archive material.
There are hardly any which is a no no for any new streaming entrant.

pip08456 02-03-2020 17:48
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36026125)
There are hardly any which is a no no for any new streaming entrant.
Exactly, they shouldn't have released britbox until they had some original content. They didn't, they'll fail.

OLD BOY 02-03-2020 17:53
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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36026124)
DAZN launches in UK so much for those predicting it wouldn't launch in uk a while back https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/bo...g-line-up.html

Streaming giants DAZN launch in the UK with plans to smash Sky and BT Sport's domination of the market by winning rights for big fights including Deontay Wilder-Tyson Fury III AND Premier League coverage
Good find, LK.

The real surprise is that it has taken so long for a challenger to Sky to show their hand, but it's all going to happen now. And at £4.99, that's a bargain.

Expect it to go up a bit if they win the rights to the Premier league, though!

Raider999 02-03-2020 18:31
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36026127)
Good find, LK.

The real surprise is that it has taken so long for a challenger to Sky to show their hand, but it's all going to happen now. And at £4.99, that's a bargain.

Expect it to go up a bit if they win the rights to the Premier league, though!

Depending how much PL rights they get I would expect the monthly cost to jump to somewhere between £9.99 and £29.99pm - possibly after a short introductory period to try to get people on the hook (sorry interested)

OLD BOY 02-03-2020 18:35
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36026123)
As OB said, where are all the originals promised. You need the originals to go along with archive material.
That's right, pip. I would have subscribed to Britbox by now myself if the promised originals had arrived. But as most regular contributors to this forum know, I would never dream of subscribing to an archive-only streaming service.

They should have been adding a minimum of one new series per week to gain interest and gain momentum, but instead we've just had additional archive programming. Or repeats, as referred to in normal parlence.

They need to get a move on, or the whole venture will fail. And will people give them a second chance at a later date, having decided the old stuff was not for them? Debateable.

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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36026134)
Depending how much PL rights they get I would expect the monthly cost to jump to somewhere between £9.99 and £29.99pm - possibly after a short introductory period to try to get people on the hook (sorry interested)
That's a very wide margin of error, Raider! :D

Phunkenstein 02-03-2020 18:38
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Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36026134)
Depending how much PL rights they get I would expect the monthly cost to jump to somewhere between £9.99 and £29.99pm - possibly after a short introductory period to try to get people on the hook (sorry interested)
They doubled their US price last year in one fell swoop (from 9.99 to 19.95) so they have form for increasing their prices!

But I expect we’ll see more people get unrealistically carried away thinking they’re going to get a huge portfolio of top tier sports for less than a fiver until the economics prove otherwise! In fact I think they’re being smart just focusing on one sport for now and spreading it across as many territories as possible.

muppetman11 02-03-2020 20:23
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Haven't we been here before wasnt Eleven Sports going to challenge.:D

denphone 02-03-2020 20:49
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36026148)
Haven't we been here before wasnt Eleven Sports going to challenge.:D
And what happened there..;)

jfman 02-03-2020 20:57
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36026127)
Good find, LK.

The real surprise is that it has taken so long for a challenger to Sky to show their hand, but it's all going to happen now. And at £4.99, that's a bargain.

Expect it to go up a bit if they win the rights to the Premier league, though!
Indeed, we’ve done sums before putting the cost of a service in excess of £30 a month assuming it can get 5 million subscribers. Ignoring things like VAT and additional sports rights for easy counting.

Or in other words, much more expensive than the Now TV deals that float around from time to time.

alwaysabear 02-03-2020 21:02
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36026148)
Haven't we been here before wasnt Eleven Sports going to challenge.:D
Exactly and they will need a Linear channel to make it work even if they manage to snag some rights.

Legendkiller2k 02-03-2020 21:45
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36026148)
Haven't we been here before wasnt Eleven Sports going to challenge.:D
DAZN are far much bigger and more financially secure than Elevensport are.
I remember people pah hahing BT at first.

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Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 36026154)
Exactly and they will need a Linear channel to make it work even if they manage to snag some rights.
Guess you must know more than a very experienced streaming service then?
They've been going for 4 years and continue to grow, i'm pretty sure they know a lot more about how to run a streaming service than a bunch of people on a forum.

denphone 02-03-2020 21:50
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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36026162)
DAZN are far much bigger and more financially secure than Elevensport are.
I remember people pah hahing BT at first.
ESPN's estimated value is around $28 billion and they were not here long.

muppetman11 02-03-2020 22:05
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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36026162)
DAZN are far much bigger and more financially secure than Elevensport are.
I remember people pah hahing BT at first.

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Guess you must know more than a very experienced streaming service then?
They've been going for 4 years and continue to grow, i'm pretty sure they know a lot more about how to run a streaming service than a bunch of people on a forum.
Bigger than Comcast ($193 billion Market Cap) ?

alwaysabear 02-03-2020 22:31
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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36026162)
DAZN are far much bigger and more financially secure than Elevensport are.
I remember people pah hahing BT at first.

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Guess you must know more than a very experienced streaming service then?
They've been going for 4 years and continue to grow, i'm pretty sure they know a lot more about how to run a streaming service than a bunch of people on a forum.
We have seen it all before ESPN failed in the UK market and they are far bigger than DAZN.

Legendkiller2k 02-03-2020 22:34
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36026170)
Bigger than Comcast ($193 billion Market Cap) ?
Speaking of Comcast it wouldn't surprise me if they launched a NBCsports gold type of service in UK.

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Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 36026172)
We have seen it all before ESPN failed in the UK market and they are far bigger than DAZN.
ESPN didn't fail they decided to licence their brand to BT, they just saw sense.

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36026166)
ESPN's estimated value is around $28 billion and they were not here long.
Well ESPN hasn't been flying well for awhile tbf.
Ultimately it is us the consumer that will lose out as more streaming/sports services = more money to shell out and i will admit there will come a point people will say "enough is enough"

jfman 02-03-2020 22:37
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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36026173)
Speaking of Comcast it wouldn't surprise me if they launched a NBCsports gold type of service in UK.

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ESPN didn't fail they decided to licence their brand to BT, they just saw sense.

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Well ESPN hasn't been flying well for awhile tbf.
Sense being that they had failed to gain a foothold in the UK sports rights market?

alwaysabear 02-03-2020 22:39
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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36026173)
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ESPN didn't fail they decided to licence their brand to BT, they just saw sense.

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Call it what you like ,but they could not make it work in this market. So backed out!

jfman 02-03-2020 22:46
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36026148)
Haven't we been here before wasnt Eleven Sports going to challenge.:D
Permit me to once again bang the economics drum and question the business model. :D

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Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 36026178)
Call it what you like ,but they could not make it work in this market. So backed out!
Indeed. It was a managed entrance (picking up cheap ex-Setanta rights) and a managed exit. Sure, they didn’t implode, but they didn’t have a viable business model either once they lost PL rights.

Chad 03-03-2020 01:00
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I can't see Dazn or Amazon or Disney plus taking the lions share of any major football rights but I suspect we will see a change in how some rights will be sold. I have gut feeling the Premier League will create a new package of 24 games exclusive to online streaming. I can see Uefa doing the same with a new package of champions league rights and Europa League rights for streaming only. 1 game per week from each competition. Rights holders want to create competition for their rights. It's pretty much how Amazon got their foot in the door. I can see Dazn or Amazon sitting with nearly 50 live games per season on the cheap with Sky and BT still able to show the same amount of games. Would not surprise me if Dazn snap up the Six Nations

muppetman11 03-03-2020 14:22
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Now TV seem to have some good offers on

https://www.nowtv.com/offers

£49.99 for 6 months Entertainment and Cinema being one.

Chris 03-03-2020 14:51
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36026205)
Now TV seem to have some good offers on

https://www.nowtv.com/offers

£49.99 for 6 months Entertainment and Cinema being one.
Disney+ is offering 12 months for that price if you sign up before launch day ...

denphone 03-03-2020 15:10
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Offer valid until the 23 March 2020 and Start Streaming on the March 24.

https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/24/2...annual-pricing

https://preview.disneyplus.com/uk/?c...E&gclsrc=aw.ds

Chad 03-03-2020 15:31
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36026208)
Disney+ is offering 12 months for that price if you sign up before launch day ...
Disney plus will be on SKYQ from launch and on Now TV soon after according to reports today. Disney has also confirmed The Simpsons will be on Disney plus in the UK. Wonder what Sky got out of the deal to allow access to the Simpsons

muppetman11 03-03-2020 16:01
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36026208)
Disney+ is offering 12 months for that price if you sign up before launch day ...
Agreed and a very good offer it is , only snag for some is the content is more predominantly aimed at children.

OLD BOY 03-03-2020 16:19
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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 36026214)
Disney plus will be on SKYQ from launch and on Now TV soon after according to reports today. Disney has also confirmed The Simpsons will be on Disney plus in the UK. Wonder what Sky got out of the deal to allow access to the Simpsons
That's right, but Sky appears not to have reached an agreement on exclusivity, and there is no confirmation as yet of the integration of the service on Sky's platform that was mooted originally.

No news yet on Disney's launch on Virgin Media at launch.

denphone 03-03-2020 16:58
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36026216)
That's right, but Sky appears not to have reached an agreement on exclusivity, and there is no confirmation as yet of the integration of the service on Sky's platform that was mooted originally.

No news yet on Disney's launch on Virgin Media at launch.
Don't worry the Virgin price rise will come first.;)

SonicMaster 03-03-2020 18:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 36026214)
Disney plus will be on SKYQ from launch and on Now TV soon after according to reports today. Disney has also confirmed The Simpsons will be on Disney plus in the UK. Wonder what Sky got out of the deal to allow access to the Simpsons
The first-pay window for 20th Century titles, to show on Sky Cinema.

It's a great deal for Disney.

muppetman11 03-03-2020 18:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SonicMaster (Post 36026229)
The first-pay window for 20th Century titles, to show on Sky Cinema.

It's a great deal for Disney.
Does anyone really care about The Simpsons these days.

denphone 03-03-2020 18:37
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36026232)
Does anyone really care about The Simpsons these days.
Its been repeated about a thousand times.

pip08456 03-03-2020 19:06
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36026232)
Does anyone really care about The Simpsons these days.
Nope and Disney+ have been getting a lot of flack about the aspect rati of the early episodes for widescreen tv's.

Quote:
Every episode of The Simpsons is currently streaming in a 16:9 ratio, meaning it looks stretched and shots are cropped to fit a widescreen format. There isn’t an option to change the aspect ratio, either. This ultimately means there’s a plethora of gags from the first 20 Simpsons seasons that don’t land because the cropping prevents the joke from being fulfilled.
https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/12/...-streaming-fxx

https://screenrant.com/disney-plus-s...-when-updates/

ozsat 03-03-2020 19:26
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Contacted Disney+ today to ask about devices and they said Amazon Fire TV is NOT (currently) on their list for UK.

Looked at the websites and it is on the US site - but is missing on UK site.

denphone 03-03-2020 20:13
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ozsat (Post 36026239)
Contacted Disney+ today to ask about devices and they said Amazon Fire TV is NOT (currently) on their list for UK.

Looked at the websites and it is on the US site - but is missing on UK site.
This list the devices on which it will be on.

https://collider.com/how-to-watch-disney-plus/

muppetman11 03-03-2020 20:30
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What new shows aside from The Mandalorian will Disney + have ?

https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/14/...nal-geographic

Can't see myself watching to much off that list so maybe cheaper to pay the monthly price as and when theres something I fancy.

OLD BOY 03-03-2020 20:34
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36026241)
This list the devices on which it will be on.

https://collider.com/how-to-watch-disney-plus/
It doesn't mention Sky Q, so this isn't an exclusive list.

ozsat 03-03-2020 21:01
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That appears to be the US list - can't find anything with UK and Amazon together.

Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36026241)
This list the devices on which it will be on.

https://collider.com/how-to-watch-disney-plus/

Phunkenstein 03-03-2020 21:02
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36026248)
It doesn't mention Sky Q, so this isn't an exclusive list.
It's an article dated 31/1/2020 and would be relevant the the devices and territories available at that time.

pip08456 03-03-2020 21:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36026247)
What new shows aside from The Mandalorian will Disney + have ?

https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/14/...nal-geographic

Can't see myself watching to much off that list so maybe cheaper to pay the monthly price as and when theres something I fancy.
This is exactly what I put forward earlier in this thread. Users may have one or two they sub to for 12 mnths (or not) and one they dip into for a month to stream a certain series.

SonicMaster 03-03-2020 21:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36026232)
Does anyone really care about The Simpsons these days.
Yes. Apparently so.

Quote:
The longest-running and most-successful animated series of all time had been omitted from the original publicity materials ahead of the UK launch (set for 24 March), despite being touted as the crown jewel of the US edition back in November 2019.
https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/cultur...disney-plus-uk

muppetman11 03-03-2020 22:03
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And yet the same people moaned and moaned about Sky One repeating them ad nauseam.:D

General Maximus 03-03-2020 22:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36026247)
Can't see myself watching to much off that list so maybe cheaper to pay the monthly price as and when theres something I fancy.
The biggys for me are going to be the three new Marvel series; Loki, Wandavision and Falcon & The Winter Soldier. I wasn't overly impressed with The Mandalorian.

OLD BOY 04-03-2020 12:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36026273)
And yet the same people moaned and moaned about Sky One repeating them ad nauseam.:D
As long as people keep watching it, Sky will keep repeating it. Cost effective for them!

denphone 04-03-2020 15:12
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Sky introduces new Netflix bundle.

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2020...eid=3598503789

Quote:
Sky Ultimate TV on Sky Q is priced at £25, which the platform says is the lowest price available for the combination. The price then rises to £29 per month after the introductory offer period.

Hugh 04-03-2020 15:35
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Does anyone not have HD?

Quote:
Sky Ultimate TV includes Netflix Basic, meaning that customers need to add the HD package (£6 a month) to upgrade to Netflix Standard and premium HD channels. Customers with the HD package can also add on Ultra HD (£4 a month) to upgrade to Netflix Premium and Ultra HD

newapollo 04-03-2020 15:56
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There is more detail on the new Ultimate TV bundle here https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2020...te-tv-package/

However, notably missing are any kids channels (which cost an extra £5 per month), Sky Cinema channels (an additional £11 per month) and sports (£20 per month for 18 months, rising to £23 per month after).

When all is said, early adopters could spend up to £85 per month (rising to £88 after the 18 month offer on sports ends) on the new package, with an extra initial £20 set up charge. Users will also be wary of the small print that details “prices may change during this period.”

Raider999 04-03-2020 20:15
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 36026193)
I can't see Dazn or Amazon or Disney plus taking the lions share of any major football rights but I suspect we will see a change in how some rights will be sold. I have gut feeling the Premier League will create a new package of 24 games exclusive to online streaming. I can see Uefa doing the same with a new package of champions league rights and Europa League rights for streaming only. 1 game per week from each competition. Rights holders want to create competition for their rights. It's pretty much how Amazon got their foot in the door. I can see Dazn or Amazon sitting with nearly 50 live games per season on the cheap with Sky and BT still able to show the same amount of games. Would not surprise me if Dazn snap up the Six Nations

Not sure what paying for Six Nations gives a streamer - competition comprising of 5 weekends spread over 7 weeks.

Pster72 06-03-2020 10:26
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Any news if a Disney + app is going to appear on the V6 boxes

denphone 06-03-2020 10:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pster72 (Post 36026463)
Any news if a Disney + app is going to appear on the V6 boxes
Not a iota.

Legendkiller2k 06-03-2020 11:30
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pster72 (Post 36026463)
Any news if a Disney + app is going to appear on the V6 boxes
No.

Pster72 06-03-2020 12:01
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36026466)
No.
I’m sure we’ll get it but Sky are getting an exclusive that it’s integrated into there search option on Sky Q boxes

Chad 06-03-2020 13:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36026345)
Not sure what paying for Six Nations gives a streamer - competition comprising of 5 weekends spread over 7 weeks.
Amazon only got 2 match days worth of Premier League football and it was all done and dusted within a few weeks in December.

OLD BOY 06-03-2020 14:09
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pster72 (Post 36026470)
I’m sure we’ll get it but Sky are getting an exclusive that it’s integrated into there search option on Sky Q boxes
That's what Sky were angling for, but they did not get that exclusive deal in the end.

There was nothing to stop VM putting the app on their platform, even under Sky's proposal. It was all about integrated programming onto their system, not exclusive access.

Chad 06-03-2020 22:51
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Disney plus coming to Amazon devices

https://blog.aboutamazon.co.uk/innov...lets-in-the-uk

Chris 06-03-2020 22:58
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After a bit of googling the other day I established that it’s running on Samsung smart TVs in the USA already, so I’m assuming it will become available to download towards the end of this month on smart TVs in the uk.

General Maximus 07-03-2020 15:57
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cheekyangus 07-03-2020 17:07
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 36026557)
:D

CBS All Access shows are all over the place. E4, More4, SyFy, Netflix, Prime Video...

OLD BOY 07-03-2020 20:56
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36026566)
:D

CBS All Access shows are all over the place. E4, More4, SyFy, Netflix, Prime Video...
That's right. People are obsessing over platforms when they should be concentrating on content.

Chad 08-03-2020 21:47
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
https://whatsondisneyplus.com/virgin...he-uk-ireland/

Disney and Virgin Media in talks over Disney Plus.

muppetman11 08-03-2020 21:59
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 36026669)
https://whatsondisneyplus.com/virgin...he-uk-ireland/

Disney and Virgin Media in talks over Disney Plus.
I would fully expect both BT and VM to add the service to their boxes.

denphone 08-03-2020 22:05
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36026671)
I would fully expect both BT and VM to add the service to their boxes.
Indeed it would be folly not to do it.

Raider999 08-03-2020 22:42
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 36026473)
Amazon only got 2 match days worth of Premier League football and it was all done and dusted within a few weeks in December.
Which they paid peanuts for (considerably less than BBC/ITV pay for the 6 Nations - I seriously doubt they will be looking to reduce revenue by putting it on PPV tv.

Aguero9320 09-03-2020 16:44
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 36026193)
I can't see Dazn or Amazon or Disney plus taking the lions share of any major football rights but I suspect we will see a change in how some rights will be sold. I have gut feeling the Premier League will create a new package of 24 games exclusive to online streaming. I can see Uefa doing the same with a new package of champions league rights and Europa League rights for streaming only. 1 game per week from each competition. Rights holders want to create competition for their rights. It's pretty much how Amazon got their foot in the door. I can see Dazn or Amazon sitting with nearly 50 live games per season on the cheap with Sky and BT still able to show the same amount of games. Would not surprise me if Dazn snap up the Six Nations
Some info on Dazn here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DAZN?wprov=sfti1

Raider999 09-03-2020 21:30
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There is already a package of 24 games for streaming - currently Amazon paid very little to have the exclusive rights to these 2 rounds of games.

I would only expect the same in the next deal, if DAZN are coming in then it would have a huge inflationary effect on that package - I seriously doubt there would be another package for streamers at this point.

However, if a streamer wants more they could always bid for one of the traditional packages.

As for the 6 Nations, I would expect changes to its level which would mean it could only be on Free to Air TV. (Their was uproar before when England home games were on sky - the RFU soon backed off). If it is allowed to be on Pay TV expect Sky or BT to come in with a sizeable bid for most games with possibility of 1 game a round being on Free to Air TV.

vincerooney 12-03-2020 21:03
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Hi all- getting a weird message then trying to stream from my phone “out of house streaming isn’t permitted on this device”

To be honest I haven’t used the app in a while so it may be that

Legendkiller2k 13-03-2020 00:07
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36027052)
Hi all- getting a weird message then trying to stream from my phone “out of house streaming isn’t permitted on this device”

To be honest I haven’t used the app in a while so it may be that
Do you have the maximun number of devices already registered? If so remove one.

cheekyangus 13-03-2020 00:59
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36027052)
Hi all- getting a weird message then trying to stream from my phone “out of house streaming isn’t permitted on this device”

To be honest I haven’t used the app in a while so it may be that
Are you using the TV Control app rather than the TV Go app?

The former only steams locally from your TV box, is a remote control and allows setting recordings remotely.

The latter is the one for streaming channels in and out of the house.

RichardCoulter 14-03-2020 20:59
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Netflix shuts down all production due to the Coronavirus:

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...GZE-QEY68N7n2I

General Maximus 14-03-2020 21:04
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Beyond gutted

Chris 14-03-2020 21:32
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I wouldn’t assume this will necessarily delay their eventual release. Netflix doesn’t work to seasons and frankly I’ve never been able to follow the logic of exactly how and when they drop new material, assuming there is any logic to it at all. They might just as easily have finished making these shows and then sat on them another three months.

pip08456 14-03-2020 21:46
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36027323)
I wouldn’t assume this will necessarily delay their eventual release. Netflix doesn’t work to seasons and frankly I’ve never been able to follow the logic of exactly how and when they drop new material, assuming there is any logic to it at all. They might just as easily have finished making these shows and then sat on them another three months.
Its not just Netflix but many production companies are doing it also.

NCIS haver announced no more production for this season so it will end at episode 20 and they will pick it up again next season.

Chris 14-03-2020 21:53
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That’s a slightly different scenario, because they’re making shows to fit a broadcast schedule. They have to be ready when the network says so and they have to give maximum notice if hey can’t fulfil the order because the network will then have specific time slots to fill and it will have to find something else to put in.

Netflix usually drops entire seasons at once and it rarely does so on a strict annual schedule. So even if ST4 is suspended for now, we will still get the entire season eventually and given Netflix’s erratic release scheduling we might not get it much later than we would have anyway.

pip08456 14-03-2020 22:03
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36027326)
That’s a slightly different scenario, because they’re making shows to fit a broadcast schedule. They have to be ready when the network says so and they have to give maximum notice if hey can’t fulfil the order because the network will then have specific time slots to fill and it will have to find something else to put in.

Netflix usually drops entire seasons at once and it rarely does so on a strict annual schedule. So even if ST4 is suspended for now, we will still get the entire season eventually and given Netflix’s erratic release scheduling we might not get it much later than we would have anyway.
Well, the networks are facing plenty of problems then. Looks like they'll be repeating at lot of stuff to fill the schedule.

iadom 16-03-2020 11:32
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Anyone else had their Netflix subscription via VM cancelled without any warning?

I did notice that my last VM bill notification had reduced by a few £££’s but had no idea why.

I have just received an email, apparently from Netflix which reads thus.

‘Unfortunately, Virgin Media has let us know that your account could not be billed through your Virgin Media subscription. We are cancelling your membership, effective from Monday, 16th March 2020.
If you have any billing questions please contact Virgin Media.
Obviously we'd love to have you back. All you have to do is restart your membership.’

I haven’t authorised any cancellation?

Jim.

Chris 16-03-2020 13:24
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36027329)
Well, the networks are facing plenty of problems then. Looks like they'll be repeating at lot of stuff to fill the schedule.
Those of us old enough to remember* the regular merry-go-round of studio technician strikes at the BBC and various ITV companies in the 70s are well used to that :D

* I am, but only just ...

OLD BOY 16-03-2020 14:46
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by iadom (Post 36027550)
Anyone else had their Netflix subscription via VM cancelled without any warning?

I did notice that my last VM bill notification had reduced by a few £££’s but had no idea why.

I have just received an email, apparently from Netflix which reads thus.

‘Unfortunately, Virgin Media has let us know that your account could not be billed through your Virgin Media subscription. We are cancelling your membership, effective from Monday, 16th March 2020.
If you have any billing questions please contact Virgin Media.
Obviously we'd love to have you back. All you have to do is restart your membership.’

I haven’t authorised any cancellation?

Jim.
Sounds to me that you are paying Virgin Media by way of a card that has expired. I cannot think of any other explanation, provided you still have money in the bank and you haven't exceeded any limits on your cards.

Check it out, that could well be the explanation.

denphone 16-03-2020 14:47
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36027589)
Sounds to me that you are paying Virgin Media by way of a card that has expired. I cannot think of any other explanation, provided you still have money in the bank and you haven't exceeded any limits on your cards.

Check it out, that could well be the explanation.
They generally email the customer before their card expires OB.


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