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I think we're heading for an election anyway. It's just if it's before/after the deal is passed.

The whole lot of them should be taken out to somewhere like Siberia and forced to remain there until they've agreed something.

I wonder if some are really worried about a general election and their constituency looking at how their representative has behaved over this. Or are people just still going to vote for "their party" regardless and we still end up where we are. I also wonder if some are voting just against whatever "the others" have suggested because that's what you do. (Not all are like that I know.)

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35989778)

I think Brexit is more likely to happen now, and soon. A 2nd referendum is only likely if no other option is found.

‘Brexit’ isn’t going to happen. As we will still be ceding power to the EU.

There will be a different arrangement with the EU, but it isn’t Brexit.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35989780)

Depends on your definition of Brexit. We can still have the blue passports whatever, so that's the main thing ;)
I knew Jezza would come to the rescue, he's a true Gent who'd answer any maiden in distress :D

Tbf good for TM too if she has genuinely put the country before her extremist nutty party. The right will rue the day they forced her to go and gave her nothing to lose.

Anyway back to the beach, this has been pleasant viewing from a few thousand miles away... The EU and it denizens are lovely, don't know what we ever complained about :) Maybe we can all live together in peace and harmony ?

Nah - I just renewed mine...

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35989782)

BREAKING: And so it begins: Nigel Adams MP has Resigned from Theresa May Cabinet.

Oh no, not Nigel, she'll be missed

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35989786)

I’m told there is 5 current Ministerial positions that remain vacant.

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A Cabinet Resignation watch by the media has now begun.

We’re now in Imminent General Election territory.

That'll be interesting, hasn't Mrs May given guarantees to last this long that she won't fight the next election, interesting times

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35989773)

Good luck with that.

Parties that lose are not bound by their manifesto. Wouldn't make sense either since often the parties have to change having lost.

What you mean losers are no longer bound by promises rejected by the public as not being good enough for them, that makes no sense at all, madness

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35989781)

While it might be true that some would not have been aware of what a customs union was, the message that we would be able to forge our own trade deals was made abundantly clear. That requires us leaving the customs union.

Your analysis of negotiations between bigger blocs and smaller countries is too simplistic. You only have to look how Singapore operates, appreciate that we could operate as a lower tariff country, bear in mind that we are the 5th largest economy of the world, and little facts such as these, to realise that there is no reason why we could not improve our fortunes outside of the EU.

You take no notice of the negatives of staying in the EU against the new opportunities that would exist for us, and this is the big flaw in your arguments and these economic forecasts, which give too much emphasis to the possible downsides and nowhere near enough to the upsides.

False comparison - Singapore is a one party (in all but name) authoritarian state, with censored media, banned car ownership (unless you can afford an expensive permit), is now the most expensive country in the world to live in (for the 5th year in a row), and to buy a property through Singapore’s public Housing and Development board, you must be at least 21 and purchasing with someone in your “family nucleus” – such as a sibling or spouse – or at least 35 if you are single.

The government maintains strict restrictions on the right to freedom of peaceful assembly through the Public Order Act, which requires a police permit for any “cause-related” assembly if it is held in a public place, or if members of the general public are invited. Permits are routinely denied for events addressing political topics. The Singapore government now considers the mere presence of a foreigner during an assembly to be unlawful participation that can result in criminal penalties for both the foreigner and the event organiser.

Singapore uses the ISA and Criminal Law (Temporary Provisions) Act (CLTPA) to arrest and administratively detain persons for virtually unlimited periods without charge or judicial review.

No, thanks...

Who says we aren’t heading for a one party state ;)

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35989804)

Who says we aren’t heading for a one party state ;)

Well, now the Tories have killed themselves off, in a 2 party state this then leaves the one :) Time for the King Across the Water to return and claim the vacant political centre ground ..

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35989804)

Who says we aren’t heading for a one party state ;)

l doubt it as given what has transpired these past three years we will have the Conservative party , Labour , Lib Dems , Change UK – The Independent Group , UKIP , The Green party , Plaid Cymru , Scottish National Party , DUP , Sinn Féin , And political candidates who will stand as independents in their constituency's and any other new parties that develop from Brexit who want to set themselves up fighting for seats at the forthcoming general election..

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35989781)

While it might be true that some would not have been aware of what a customs union was, the message that we would be able to forge our own trade deals was made abundantly clear. That requires us leaving the customs union.

Your analysis of negotiations between bigger blocs and smaller countries is too simplistic. You only have to look how Singapore operates, appreciate that we could operate as a lower tariff country, bear in mind that we are the 5th largest economy of the world, and little facts such as these, to realise that there is no reason why we could not improve our fortunes outside of the EU.

You take no notice of the negatives of staying in the EU against the new opportunities that would exist for us, and this is the big flaw in your arguments and these economic forecasts, which give too much emphasis to the possible downsides and nowhere near enough to the upsides.

Sorry Old Boy. One-party states like North Korea and Singapore may be your cup of tea but they're not mine.

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35989806)

l doubt it as given what has transpired these past three years we will have the Conservative party , Labour , Lib Dems , Change UK – The Independent Group , UKIP , The Green party , Plaid Cymru , Scottish National Party , DUP , Sinn Féin , And political candidates who will stand as independents in the constituency and any other new parties that develop from Brexit who want to set themselves up fighting for seats at the forthcoming general election..

I was only having fun with the prospect of a Corbyn SSR. You’re right, the system will only fracture unless Labour move to the middle and hoover everyone up.

BREAKING: BBC’s Laura Kuenssberg:

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Just been sent this - said to be circulating now in Commons- motion that would censure the Prime Minister and some ministers and even dock their pay - not sure if this will pick up much support, but shows some Tories are very very angry this morning

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35989805)

Well, now the Tories have killed themselves off, in a 2 party state this then leaves the one :) Time for the King Across the Water to return and claim the vacant political centre ground ..

David Miliband?

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35989813)

David Miliband?

I think he means James Corden.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35989814)

I think he means James Corden.

Crikey, I hope not.