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martyh 05-04-2017 20:53

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35893481)
Mr K's link which just happens to be a questionable, one sided, Anti-Trump, Anti-Brexit source in my eyes, which I have no intention of reading.

So you haven't read the link but are prepared to discount it as wrong anyway ......awesome ,it happens to be the official whitehouse statement on the Syria gas attack yesterday


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The scale and horror of Tuesday’s gas attack on civilians in Idlib highlighted the vacuum in the Trump administration’s foreign policy making: the incident was met first by silence, then by criticism of Barack Obama.

Donald Trump described the attack, which killed scores of victims, including many children, as a direct “consequence” of his predecessor’s Syria policy.“These heinous actions by the Bashar al-Assad regime are a consequence of the last administration’s weakness and irresolution,” he said in a statement. “President Obama said in 2012 that he would establish a ‘red line’ against the use of chemical weapons and then did nothing.”

Mick 05-04-2017 21:16

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35893484)
So you haven't read the link but are prepared to discount it as wrong anyway ......awesome ,it happens to be the official whitehouse statement on the Syria gas attack yesterday

And ?

martyh 05-04-2017 21:50

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35893491)
And ?

and it proves Trump is a hypocritical ass

Mick 05-04-2017 21:56

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35893497)
and it proves Trump is a hypocritical ass

It proves no such thing because what you quoted was not a White House press release. :rolleyes:

Mr K 05-04-2017 22:03

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35893499)
It proves no such thing because what you quoted was not a White House press release. :rolleyes:

Ooh you've actually read it now Mick?
It's a Trump statement which makes it so much better :erm:

martyh 05-04-2017 22:04

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35893499)
It proves no such thing because what you quoted was not a White House press release. :rolleyes:

How do you know you refused to read it ,but just so you know it was a direct quote from Trump hence the " "

Mick 05-04-2017 22:12

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35893502)
How do you know you refused to read it ,but just so you know it was a direct quote from Trump hence the " "

Er you quoted the selective quotes FFS.

Anyway, you're still wrong. Trump has said today he is considering action in Syria, just seen his reaction at Press conference earlier with Jordan's King Abdullah.

I stand by my original point though and I can say it no matter what, Obama was a crap President.

Mr K 05-04-2017 22:26

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 3589)

I stand by my original point though and I can say it no matter what, Obama was a crap President.

A very succinct analysis Mick. You should have applied for Paxo' s Newsnight job.

1andrew1 05-04-2017 23:03

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35893504)
I stand by my original point though and I can say it no matter what, Obama was a crap President.

He did deliver on healthcare and he rescued the auto industry and left the economy in a better state than he took it on.

Back to Trump, it's now reported that he has 'responsibility' to act over Syria. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...l-assad-syria/

adzii_nufc 06-04-2017 00:21

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35893509)
He did deliver on healthcare and he rescued the auto industry and left the economy in a better state than he took it on.

Back to Trump, it's now reported that he has 'responsibility' to act over Syria. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...l-assad-syria/

There's always negative points and positive ones. I genuinely used to believe Obama was some kind of American cult hero that could literally do no wrong. I was gobsmacked at the sheer amount of things he'd actually got wrong that people just want to pass over because like above, he can do no wrong.

There was a whole heap of crap listed that was merely opinion and not fact whichever way you looked at it but the amount I was able to cross check and verify was surprising. I'd originally wrote off the good riddance and hate Obama posts off as racist rednecks.

As for what Trump's meant to do, I don't know, his predecessor made some bad choices in that aspect. Training rebels was an absolute failure, arming them arguably just made it worse, but I don't hold that against him, choices have to be made, some turn out to be crap, it happens.

So if you take the bogus issue of blame out the window and just forget who did what and when, what is the best course of action?

Mick 06-04-2017 01:15

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35893509)
He did deliver on healthcare and he rescued the auto industry and left the economy in a better state than he took it on.

Utter rubbish on both accounts. He did not deliver on healthcare at all. I don't call tripling bills a better system at all and neither do my American friends who says he lied and made it worse! As for the economy, the debt doubled under his Administration.

TheDaddy 06-04-2017 06:13

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35893515)
Utter rubbish on both accounts. He did not deliver on healthcare at all. I don't call tripling bills a better system at all and neither do my American friends who says he lied and made it worse! As for the economy, the debt doubled under his Administration.

There's a lot of Americans walking around now, living lives that wouldn't have been pre obama that would disagree with you and your American pals I'd imagine

Mick 06-04-2017 06:24

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35893520)
There's a lot of Americans walking around now, living lives that wouldn't have been pre obama that would disagree with you and your American pals I'd imagine

Rubbish. Got evidence to back that up or you just made that up ? And there are many more with more expensive and useless plans.

Stuart 06-04-2017 10:34

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What I never understood during the whole Hillary email thing was this. When I was reading up on the whole thing (I do actually like to research stuff I argue about), I read that it's actually quite common for federal employees (up to and including senators) to use their own email systems. It's tolerated because apparently the federal email system is essentially, crap, and it seems no one is willing to invest to fix it.

That's what I don't understand. Where I work, we have to use the work email system for work related emails, purely because we may be in a position where we are discussing personal details, and we have to keep in line with the Data Protection Act. We aren't even officially allowed to forward our mail to an external service (such as Google), but some users seem to get away with that.

Yet the US government seems to tolerate senators using personal email systems even if what they are sending/receiving is potentially classified?

Note: Hillary is far from the only person that has done this. There is also the small matter of the 2 million or so email that vanished from the Republican National Congress server during the last Bush government (something which, oddly, the Republicans forgot to mention when criticising Hillary).

Now, I am not questioning the need for both the RNC and DNC to operate their own email systems. They are their own organisations. They need their own email systems, but I do wonder why the US government doesn't fix it's email system rather than tolerate employees using their own.

Mick 06-04-2017 15:04

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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35893535)
What I never understood during the whole Hillary email thing was this. When I was reading up on the whole thing (I do actually like to research stuff I argue about)....

You're like me, even though we may not share same views, we have a need to research stuff before jumping on a hysteria bandwagon.

I never got the Hillary email thing in the beginning until, I too, looked in to the issue deeper.

The problem is, Hillary Clinton did not help herself during her testimony, she is said to have lied under oath that she did not send or receive classified material through her own email server, yet FBI Director James Comey said there was was such emails found.

Because of her high position in Government and tenure as US Secretary of State, she was in receipt and sending of, Top Secret and classified emails. But in her absent mind, was sending and receiving them through her own private email server, that was a unsecured system, a system that was said to be running from a bathroom closet by the private company she was using.

In the following youtube clip showing her testimony, which she gave under oath which highlights she lied under that oath, about her saying she had not sent and received classified emails through her private server and at about 2 minutes 30 seconds in on this clip, James Comey said she did otherwise.



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