Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35019276)

i'm as working class as the next man and i vote tory ,i no longer live on a council estate i own my own house it not a grand place by any means but i worked for it ,and on a humble wage .

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35019127)

I think that, amongst other things, the financial state of both New Labour and the Lib Dems means that they won't be wanting another enormously costly election too soon.

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35019253)

How can the tories have done this or passed this if there not in power, Labour lies again.
BTW keep taking the medicine for your over worked imagination

Originally Posted by Neil22 (Post 35019280)

Jesus you really are a Mod Edit of the highest order aren't you?

Originally Posted by Neil22 (Post 35019296)

People have lost their jobs you +++++. Typical Tory dead head.

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35019279)

Well let's hope that both bedmates can see eye to eye for the next 4-5 years then..;)

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35019253)

How can the tories have done this or passed this if there not in power, Labour lies again.
BTW keep taking the medicine for your over worked imagination

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35019247)

At least some have to. Contrary to the pre-election rhetoric whichever party was in some had to go, just the timing and to a more limited extent the scale which would have been different. It very simply isn't an option to hike up the tax burden sufficiently to cover the total expense, it'd cripple the economy.

I'm sorry to say you can thank Labour for that - they shouldn't have hired them to the public sector in the first place and a perfect demonstration that they went too far with the public sector expansion. Even wiping out the exceptional items from the deficit there's still a structural one of nearly 100bn.

For all the wittering on about how much the public sector are better off thanks to Labour the very simple fact is the public sector don't pay the bills, the private sector do. Taxation is harmful to the private sector so a balance has to be struck and adding an extra 8% or more to our tax burden would be too much.

The thing that is noteworthy about posts talking about how much better off the public sector is and jobs coming and going ignores that the private sector is the section of the economy that pays the bills. The private sector has taken the brunt of the recession, jobs lost and pay frozen, why should the public sector be immune to this and have the private sector pay for them to be immune?

That said I am unfortunately speaking logically, which won't really wash when it hits the ideology that's blinding you to it.

In one paragraph, 2 sentences: The public sector is too large for the private sector to support it. The cost of the public sector must be reduced as it's not possible to raise taxation enough to support it, which will necessarily involve public sector job losses.

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35019330)

Well who wants more of this... ;) Having said that, the Tories are in a far healthier position financially to mount another campaign so it wouldn't necessarily be the end of the world for them.

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But you're forgetting what Thatcher did FGS!!! Let's face it these job cuts are all her fault and nothing whatsoever to do with the profiligacy and ineptitude of the government we've been so fortunate to have for the last 13 years.. :rollyeyes:

Originally Posted by Neil22 (Post 35019280)

Jesus you really are a Mod Edit of the highest order aren't you?

Originally Posted by Lord Nikon (Post 35019346)

Is it just me who thinks the edit was probably more amusing than the original post? :D

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35019362)

The car that will take him to get his P45 has arrived in Downing Street.

Oh, the sweet, sweet joy.