Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36111286)

And if he hadn’t signed off the proposal?

He could have disagreed…

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36111283)

You hold multiple and contradictory positions on this.

Position No. 1


Position No. 2

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36111289)

I repeat. I said from what we know.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36111289)

Then he would have intervened....

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I repeat. I said from what we know.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36111310)

Innocent from what we know is not the same as wait for the report.

And on that point, the fact that Sue Gray had to refer the report to the Metropolitan Police suggests something far removed from your overly optimistic speculation. If she had found nothing untoward, the Metropolitan Police would not be investigating. That's not speculation, that's based upon her terms of reference.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36111312)

Let me try and explain it for the hard of understanding…

If he did nothing, it would have not happened, and nothing would have changed from the original situation.

He did something (authorised it), it happened - intervention.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36111310)

Innocent from what we know is not the same as wait for the report.

And on that point, the fact that Sue Gray had to refer the report to the Metropolitan Police suggests something far removed from your overly optimistic speculation. If she had found nothing untoward, the Metropolitan Police would not be investigating. That's not speculation, that's based upon her terms of reference.

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36111322)

How about innocent until proven guilty? A cornerstone of the British judicial system.

Are the Met investigating the parties or Johnson?

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36111341)

Well, that’s much more ‘enlightened’ than making your mind up that he was guilty on the basis of allegations only. I am prepared to concede that the report and/or the police investigation may confirm the views you have. I am not being dogmatic as some of you guys are.

I don’t accept your conclusion in the last paragraph. Clearly, she found something for the police to take into account or investigate. That on its own doesn’t making him guilty either.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36111342)

I agree with the "innocent until proven guilty", but we are allowed opinions, and my opinion that Johnson is lying is based on the facts we know - he’s a proven liar (been fired a couple of times for lying), he is consistently dishonest (cheating on his wife multiple times, and on his current wife when they were not yet married), he has repeatedly failed to declare interests in the Members’ Register, there were the pictures of them in the garden eating cheese & wine during the lockdown, his admission that he was in a room with around 30 others who had gathered to sing "happy birthday" and eat cake and M&S snacks at a time when this wasn’t allowed, and many other examples.

When it walks like a lying duck, and sounds like a lying duck, it’s usually a lying duck…

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36111345)

Unless you’re just holding the picture up the wrong way! :D

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36111342)

I agree with the "innocent until proven guilty", but we are allowed opinions, and my opinion that Johnson is lying is based on the facts we know - he’s a proven liar (been fired a couple of times for lying), he is consistently dishonest (cheating on his wife multiple times, and on his current wife when they were not yet married), he has repeatedly failed to declare interests in the Members’ Register, there were the pictures of them in the garden eating cheese & wine during the lockdown, his admission that he was in a room with around 30 others who had gathered to sing "happy birthday" and eat cake and M&S snacks at a time when this wasn’t allowed, and many other examples.

When it walks like a lying duck, and sounds like a lying duck, it’s usually a lying duck…



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There is no way that Boris will be prosecuted or fined as it is pretty clear from what we know that there is insufficient evidence to do so

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36111348)

From what we know….

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36111322)

How about innocent until proven guilty? A cornerstone of the British judicial system.

Are the Met investigating the parties or Johnson?

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36111355)

Christ, is this farce still ongoing?

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36111355)

Christ, is this farce still ongoing?