Cable Forum - Britain outside the EU

Kraft Heinz to invest in the UK to make tomato ketchup

Kraft Heinz says it will invest $199m (£140m) in a UK food manufacturing facility over the next four years.

The plans for the plant in north west England would see British favourites - ketchup, mayonnaise and salad cream - made in the country once again.

It would be the firm's biggest expansion of a manufacturing site outside the US in more than 20 years.

The company said it is also one of the largest investments in UK manufacturing since Brexit.

The plan, which is subject to approval in the US, will also fund equipment and technology and create up to 50 new full-time jobs, the company said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57312162

Services apparently suffering :td:

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Brexit shrank UK services exports by £110bn, academics find

Research shows that financial services exports were hardest hit over four-year period

Brexit shrank UK services exports by more than £110bn over a four-year period, new research shows, highlighting the far-reaching trade implications of Britain’s decision to break away from the EU.

Experts at Aston University in Birmingham found that UK services exports from 2016 to 2019 were cumulatively £113bn lower than they would have been had the UK not voted to quit the EU in June 2016.

The researchers calculated the figure by projecting how industries from IT and finance to business services would have grown if they had continued on their previous paths, and compared that with how they had actually progressed since the vote for Brexit. The gap was £113bn.

“What we find raises serious concerns about the damage to the UK’s services trade position and the likely spillovers to the economy and jobs related to the services sectors,” said Jun Du, professor of economics at Aston Business School.

https://www.ft.com/content/20a626ab-...0-bfd1e1ff132d

Sephiroth

01-06-2021 08:54

Re: Britain outside the EU

I'll just say this to Andrew (and his Remainer ilk):

The sovereignty argument won the Referendum day over trade with the EU.

The squeeze that the EU tried to put on Switzerland puts this into tight focus. The EU's mission in relation to third countries close to their borders is to try and control the freedoms of those countries.

Sovereignty is everything, especially in a resilient country such as ours.

Btw, had we remained in the EU or participated in their Covid vaccine exploits, we still wouldn't be 50% vaccinated.

Pierre

01-06-2021 09:40

Re: Britain outside the EU

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36081539)

50 new jobs in Wigan. :tu: Will be good to see HP (House of Parlaiment) sauce in particular made in the UK again!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57312162

Services apparently suffering :td:

https://www.ft.com/content/20a626ab-...0-bfd1e1ff132d

Isn’t 2016 to 2019 a three year period?

Carth

01-06-2021 10:12

Re: Britain outside the EU

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36081542)

Isn’t 2016 to 2019 a three year period?

That depends on how the expert researchers want the results to look ;)

You could count from Jan 2016 to Dec 2019, or Dec 2016 to Jan 2019 . . . hey, data is to be played with, right?

1andrew1

01-06-2021 10:25

Re: Britain outside the EU

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36081544)

That depends on how the expert researchers want the results to look ;)

You could count from Jan 2016 to Dec 2019, or Dec 2016 to Jan 2019 . . . hey, data is to be played with, right?

Agreed. ;)

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36081541)

Btw, had we remained in the EU or participated in their Covid vaccine exploits, we still wouldn't be 50% vaccinated.

The vaccination programme was led by a Remainer, Kate Bingham who has basically saved Boris's arse after the multiple farces of releasing infected patients into care homes, delayed lockdowns and farcical PPE procurement. The vaccine programme would have had happened in or out of the EU as Kate Bingham has made clear.

If there's a Brexit connection to Coronavirus it's to the Indian variant of the virus. Its rapid spread in the UK occurred as Boris was keen to woo India with a trade deal. So he didn't put India into the red list until 19th April effective from 23rd April despite knowing about it on 1st April.

I don't call this variant a Brexit bonus.

Sephiroth

01-06-2021 10:39

Re: Britain outside the EU

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36081545)

Agreed. ;)

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The vaccination programme was led by a Remainer, Kate Bingham who has basically saved Boris's arse after the multiple farces of releasing infected patients into care homes, delayed lockdowns and farcical PPE procurement. The vaccine programme would have had happened in or out of the EU as Kate Bingham has made clear.

If there's a Brexit connection to Coronavirus it's to the Indian variant of the virus. Its rapid spread in the UK occurred as Boris was keen to woo India with a trade deal. So he didn't put India into the red list until 19th April effective from 23rd April despite knowing about it on 1st April.

I don't call this variant a Brexit bonus.

You're twisting the argument to suit your narrative.

I wasn't referring to the Indian variant in terms of what you call the "Brexit bonus".

Furthermore, the Brexit orientation of Kate Bingham (or for that matter Matt Hancock) is neither here nor there. By not being in the EU we were not controlled by Brussels who have ensured that there is uniformity across the EU over the vaccine delivery rate.

As regards the Indian variant, sure - Boris took the wrong decision as you've described. But looking at the national and regional data, the hospital pressure and death rate does not match the positive case count.

This being a Brexit thread, it seems obvious to most other than the diehard Remainers that the vaccine rollout here has been much better than in the EU.

Carth

01-06-2021 10:49

Re: Britain outside the EU

Not defending Boris or the Govt. but . .

Isn't it also correct that people in red listed countries were flying to green/amber countries, and from there to the UK?

Do you think if India had been placed on the red list immediately, nobody in India would have done the same?

I guess it only takes one infected person to get through . . from anywhere ;)

1andrew1

01-06-2021 10:59

Re: Britain outside the EU

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36081550)

I doubt other countries would have accepted passengers from India, just desperate BoJo. In Australia, anyone flying back from India could get thrown in jail.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-56953052

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36081548)

No one's denying that the vaccine roll-out in the UK has been better than most of Europe. But to attribute that to Brexit is erroneous, although I accept that many people do link the two. But there is a link to do a trade deal and the favourable travel treatment from India compared to Pakistan and India.

Hugh	01-06-2021 12:19

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36081550)

Not defending Boris or the Govt. but . .

Isn't it also correct that people in red listed countries were flying to green/amber countries, and from there to the UK?

Do you think if India had been placed on the red list immediately, nobody in India would have done the same?

I guess it only takes one infected person to get through . . from anywhere ;)

Not directly - they had to stay in the Amber countries for 10 days.

1andrew1

01-06-2021 21:59

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Wetherspoons boss calls for more EU migration to tackle bar staff shortage

Tim Martin says a "reasonably liberal immigration system" controlled by the UK - rather than the EU - will boost the economy

The Brexit-backing boss of JD Wetherspoon has urged Boris Johnson to introduce a visa scheme for EU workers as British pubs and restaurants struggle to recruit staff in the post-pandemic labour market squeeze.

Tim Martin, an ardent Brexiteer, said the Government should introduce a visa system to alleviate some of the pressures on companies, suggesting that countries geographically closer to the UK could be given preferential treatment.

The intervention came as pub and restaurant bosses warned they were being forced to shut sites during the crucial lunchtime trade due to a shortage of workers...

The Home Office said it wanted employers to focus on training and investing British workers rather than relying on foreign labour.

However, a spokesman said it was making it "simpler" for employers to attract talent from around the world "to complement the skills we already have".

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...taff-shortage/

Carth

01-06-2021 22:15

Re: Britain outside the EU

Wasn't he the dick that 'upset' many of his employees regarding furlough or something?

Anyway, he should be looking at pay & conditions before shipping in cheap labour ;)

nomadking

01-06-2021 22:30

Re: Britain outside the EU

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36081615)

Wasn't he the dick that 'upset' many of his employees regarding furlough or something?

Anyway, he should be looking at pay & conditions before shipping in cheap labour ;)

What have pay and conditions got to do with it? What and where, exactly are these high paying jobs that people are otherwise doing?:rolleyes:

TheDaddy

01-06-2021 23:20

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36081616)

What have pay and conditions got to do with it? What and where, exactly are these high paying jobs that people are otherwise doing?:rolleyes:

Pay and conditions are what makes a job attractive, well that and job satisfaction, if you don't get the latter you need the former

Carth

02-06-2021 01:24

Re: Britain outside the EU

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36081616)

What have pay and conditions got to do with it? What and where, exactly are these high paying jobs that people are otherwise doing?:rolleyes:

Not many high paying jobs around for the majority of the unemployed, and if you're married with kids, part time with benefits probably works out as the better option.
Not saying that's right, but if the system is there to be played, folk will play it.
We bring people into the country (with the pretext that their 'skilled') and they end up working anywhere . . . because minimum wage here is better than they get back home ;) :D

*waits for someone to bring NHS up

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