Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36013128)

Getting a bit bored with all this now. 'Cutting your nose off to spite your face' sums up this country and Brexit. By the time we've become a down-market British version of Trump's USA, the USA will have long moved on from Trump,...

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36013129)

I’m getting bored with this point of view.

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36013107)

Yes but which one ?

As we know, Benn Act requires Johnson to seek an extension to Brexit if parliament has not approved either a deal or leaving without a deal by October 19, however, Primary legislation still exists in the form of a different law, the European Union Withdrawal Act, states Britain will leave the EU on October 31. Which of these laws takes precedence, matters a lot.

The government has repeatedly said only that it will comply with "the law", without actually specifying which one. It may try and argue that it is following the law by taking Britain out on October 31st. ;)

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36013130)

If there was a second Brexit vote, would you vote Remain or Leave?

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36013133)

Well, the judgement specified that



https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/docs/d...7.pdf?sfvrsn=0

The judgement refers to BJ’s submission to the Court he will carry out the actions stated in the Benn Bill.

It also states

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36013130)

If there was a second Brexit vote, would you vote Remain or Leave?

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36013138)

The original Withdrawal Act doesn’t mean we leave, it only transposes EU legislation into UK law and claims we aren’t signatory to a Treaty that in reality we are.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36013138)

The original Withdrawal Act doesn’t mean we leave, it only transposes EU legislation into UK law and claims we aren’t signatory to a Treaty that in reality we are.

If the UK and EU agree an extension the reality is we remain. For the Government to extend (with the EU) and not amend exit day in the Act simply means we could get legal challenges. It doesn’t mean we leave on the 31st October.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36013140)

I think I’ve made my position very clear over the years.

I voted Remain, pre-referendum the EU wasn’t even on my radar. It just was what it was. I cared as much about the EU as much as I cared about my Local Authority. Not a lot.

But what I am, is a Democrat. It’s what separates us, or is supposed to, from despots, tyrants and dictators or is supposed to.

We lost, and immediately said to Mrs Pierre, this will be bad, but here we are.

What I have witnessed since the referendum result has just disgusted me, and it has turned me from a remainer to a fervent Brexiteer - and not because I believe in Brexit - but I believe we have to enact the decision that was made.

A few points, I knew what we were voting for, that’s why I voted Remain. I knew what Leave meant. My version, Based on what I was told, and read and watched, was leaving the SM, CU and jurisdiction of the ECJ ( of nearly all things, I recognised there may be some areas they could still be involved with). If it’s not those three things it’s not Brexit and not the worth trouble we’ve gone through.

So, to answer you, if there was another Ref, I would vote leave.

Another point, I am a well educated, professional person, that earns in the higher tax bracket, as does my wife. Who both voted Remain and would both now vote leave. The same can be said of my sister, and I don’t we are an isolated case.

Parliament is a disgrace and an embarrassment.

We heard you the first time.

no shit?


I have no idea who you are talking to, or about.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36013143)

The WA doesn't start until after we leave.
From Explainer on WA.
The "extensions" constantly referred to, are the start date of the WA, not the end date. There would become a point in time where any time extensions to the WA, would mean it was no longer a transitional, unambiguously limited in time agreement, and no further extension would be legal, even under EU law.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36013144)

At least you admit you have no idea about what’s going on, I suppose. Quite refreshing honesty from a Brexiteer. I commend you for it.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36013162)

Just leave at the end of the month. No Election. Let Boris Johnson and the Tories get what they want and deal with the consequences if it's not as good as they say.

Nothing stopping us getting a closer UK-EU deal later on, after the election does happen.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36013144)

At least you admit you have no idea about what’s going on, I suppose. Quite refreshing honesty from a Brexiteer. I commend you for it.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36013163)

If you’re serious, I agree.