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Damien 05-05-2018 12:08
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35945934)
Likened to is not fact or evidence that it is actually a war zone, or that there is blood all over the floors. Trump exaggerating things yet again.
Meh wouldn't worry about it. Playing to his audience.

Slagging off the NHS or the UK is surprisingly popular for them. :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35945962)
Regardless of the semantics of the headline. John Kerry has no business trying to do anything with Iran. Yes no?
I don't think he should personally. No. Even if I do think the Iran deal should be kept.

Mick 05-05-2018 12:11
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Those who were saying Trump 'lied' about a London hospital being like a war zone due to knife crime, is this surgeon lying too then?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...l-12306851.amp

Stephen 05-05-2018 12:25
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
I would say an Afghan war zone is a lot worse than a London hospital.

pip08456 05-05-2018 12:46
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35945966)
I would say an Afghan war zone is a lot worse than a London hospital.
You perhaps but apparently not the doctors at Bart's that have seen service there.

Mick 05-05-2018 13:20
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The Federal Judge T. Ellis III, who yesterday had doubts and reservations of Special Counsel Mueller’s scope, saying no prosecutor should have unfettered power, well his Wikipedia page was vandalised last night, some obvious leftie prick added ‘and Donald Trump lackey’ to his bio.

The Federal Judge was appointed by President Ronald Reagan in the 1980s. The page was fixed shortly after and a request to lock the page from any more vandalism.

This how sick some of these idiots on the left are. :rolleyes:

Damien 05-05-2018 13:21
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Ah he was a Republican judge :D

Mr Banana 05-05-2018 13:49
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35945962)
Regardless of the semantics of the headline. John Kerry has no business trying to do anything with Iran. Yes no?
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35945969)
You perhaps but apparently not the doctors at Bart's that have seen service there.
I suspect the floor of a hospital dealing with the number of people shot in the Florida atrocity, looked a hell of a lot worse than St Barts. Looks like Trump doesn’t care about that, his pumped up speech to the NRA is akin to dancing on those poor kids graves.

1andrew1 05-05-2018 14:03
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35945965)
Those who were saying Trump 'lied' about a London hospital being like a war zone due to knife crime, is this surgeon lying too then?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...l-12306851.amp
Per your above link, it's due to both knife and gun crime.
Quote:
"About a quarter of what we see in our practice is knife and gun injury and now we are doing major life saving cases on a daily basis," he said.
Whereas Trump said "They don’t have guns, they have knives..."

Mick 05-05-2018 16:17
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Banana (Post 35945978)
I suspect the floor of a hospital dealing with the number of people shot in the Florida atrocity, looked a hell of a lot worse than St Barts. Looks like Trump doesn’t care about that, his pumped up speech to the NRA is akin to dancing on those poor kids graves.
Rubbish.

Actually, it’s the Authorities... how many times was the kid shooter reported to the FBI and they did nothing... It is no so such thing. Seriously over dramatics here.

Mr Banana 05-05-2018 17:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35945987)
Rubbish.

Actually, it’s the Authorities... how many times was the kid shooter reported to the FBI and they did nothing... It is no so such thing. Seriously over dramatics here.
Tell that to the parents.

RizzyKing 05-05-2018 19:02
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I'd tell the parents to ask the school why they didn't have Cruz charged when he attended the school with weapons and ammunition rather then take the quick and easy route of just expelling him. Then I'd tell them to go and ask the local police department why they failed to act on over 30 reports of Cruz's behaviour including threatening other people with and without weapons one report also highlighted that Cruz had a firearm in the yard. Then as Mick said I'd send them to the F.B.I who also ignored numerous reports and when pulled up on it they shout lack of resources.

That school shooting was a massive failure of the system and people are now calling for the system to be more involved with firearms, well why not they have such a great track record. Just as happened in the UK the attention has been taken away from all the system failures and focused just on firearms by those who couldn't care less about the victims just their anti gun agenda. While mass shootings of course are terrible and should call for a review of the system it has to be measured against the good firearms do in the U.S with each year a minimum of 700,000 defensive uses that save lives and that's the figure obama got after spending ten million dollars to try and prove firearms were only a negative aspect of the U.S.

1andrew1 05-05-2018 22:03
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Trump's point is ruled ridiculous by the surgeon who heads the group overseeing London's trauma treatment
Quote:
A senior London surgeon has hit back at US President Donald Trump for criticising the level of knife crime in the city while defending US gun laws.
Prof Karim Brohi, who heads the group overseeing the city's trauma treatment, said it was "ridiculous" to suggest guns could help combat knife violence.
He said the capital faced a "serious issue" but gunshot wounds were at least twice as lethal as knife injuries.
Mr Trump's comments came in a speech to the National Rifle Association (NRA).
Addressing the firearms lobby's conference in Dallas, Texas, on Friday, Mr Trump referred to reading a story "that in London, which has unbelievably tough gun laws, a once very prestigious hospital right in the middle is like a war zone for horrible stabbing wounds".
Trump's put-down to Barts as "a once very prestigious hospital" did not go unnoticed by Dr Griffiths. He responded to Trump on Twitter including an invitation "happy to invite Mr Trump to my prestigious hospital".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44017054

Stephen 05-05-2018 22:05
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35945965)
Those who were saying Trump 'lied' about a London hospital being like a war zone due to knife crime, is this surgeon lying too then?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...l-12306851.amp
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...london-surgeon

Quote:
The suggestion by Donald Trump that guns are part of the solution to knife crime in London is ridiculous, a trauma surgeon in the capital has said.

The US president told the National Rifle Association convention in Dallas on Friday that a “once very prestigious hospital” in London was .

He appeared to be referring to reported comments from Martin Griffiths, a lead trauma surgeon at the Royal London hospital, in Whitechapel, who likened the spate of stabbing victims coming through the doors .

Hugh 05-05-2018 22:27
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Here are hospitals (and other buildings)in a ‘war zone’ - wonder why Trumper never mentioned them in his speech?

https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/...trip-massacre/
Quote:
“It was like we were in a war zone,”...

....UMC medical personnel and others at Sunrise, Valley and St. Rose Dominican hospitals said the carnage 64-year-old Stephen Paddock unleashed at the Route 91 country music festival adjacent to Mandalay Bay was beyond anything you could imagine. Patients arrived so fast that the surgeons and support personnel couldn’t begin to keep up.

“We had our eight trauma operating rooms going within an hour of when we started receiving patients,” Coates said. “People were lined up along the walls.”
“It was controlled chaos, a combat medical hospital — blood everyplace,” said Dr. Dale Carrison, head of emergency and chief of staff at UMC.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a7082576.html
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t was around 2am when staff at the Orlando Regional Medical Centre got word of ambulances heading in bearing gunshot victims. They had no idea that within moments their hospital would be transformed into what one doctor likened to “a war zone”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43835274
Quote:
"It was like a war zone… blood on the stairs, in the hallways, blood in front of the building, bodies being dragged
https://www.thedailybeast.com/suther...ength-in-jesus
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“It looked worse than a war zone,” said Montgomery. “I’ve been in war and I’ve never seen anything like it.
More people were killed in a hour by guns in Vegas than have been killed by knives in the first three months of this year London - which is the real war zone?

1andrew1 05-05-2018 23:16
Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35945996)
That school shooting was a massive failure of the system and people are now calling for the system to be more involved with firearms, well why not they have such a great track record. Just as happened in the UK the attention has been taken away from all the system failures and focused just on firearms by those who couldn't care less about the victims just their anti gun agenda. While mass shootings of course are terrible and should call for a review of the system it has to be measured against the good firearms do in the U.S with each year a minimum of 700,000 defensive uses that save lives and that's the figure obama got after spending ten million dollars to try and prove firearms were only a negative aspect of the U.S.
Do you have a source for this? Most data I've seen is in the low thousands eg http://www.vpc.org/studies/justifiable.pdf


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