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Re: Linear is old tech - on demand is the future

I just spotted a further Old Boy classic.

when the TV licence is scrapped

There we have it. All this chat has almost nothing to do with diversity of content, emerging tech or a brave and exciting future. It's Old Boy and his preference to dismantle almost anything state funded in favour of the private sector. Regardless of whether this is overseas companies or not.

The biggest barrier to this, of course, is the notion you can buy a television in this country plug it in and watch the BBC.

His fantasy is only fulfilled if linear goes because the BBC will have to be there if it continues to exist.

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With the BBC in breach of their charter agreement with OAP free licences the charter may be null and void. Offcom *could* take them off air.

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Is it a Charter agreement to do it or investigate the feasibility of it? That's not the same thing.

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Quote from The Times:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1562846859

The broadcaster was forced to accept responsibility for funding and running the concession by George Osborne, who was chancellor during the last charter renewal negotiations in 2015. Mr Johnson said: “The BBC received a settlement that was conditional upon their paying for TV licences for the over-75s. They should cough up.”

Doesn't look optional to me. Shut them down.:D

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36007733)

Doesn't look optional to me. Shut them down.:D

"Mr Johnson said". Can you find it in a contract, agreement, primary or secondary legislation?

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Go and find out what Gideon actually agreed to. Might surprise you.

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Link? You've obviously found it already.

https://www.bbc.com/aboutthebbc/repo...licence-policy

They've spent an awful lot of time on something fundamentally illegal according to you.

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This of course is a BBC document that has no relevance. I'm more interested in independent legal analysis.

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Something less biased:

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Quote from Gov.uk:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...&d=1562846859]

Government has reached an agreement with the BBC that it will take on the cost of providing free television licences for over-75s.

This will be phased in from 2018/19 with the BBC taking on the full costs from 2020/21.

Having inherited a challenging fiscal position, the Government is pleased that BBC has agreed to play its part in contributing to reductions in spending like much of the rest of the public sector, while at the same time further reducing its overall reliance on taxpayers.

As I stated to refuse this is to breach the charter and the right to broadcast on linear channels.

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Ooer...

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Published 6 July 2015

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The deal we have agreed with the Corporation means that it will take on the significant cost of TV licences for the over-75s, easing some of the pressure on taxpayers who have to meet the country’s welfare bill, while also ensuring that our promise to maintain pensioner benefits is met in full over the next five years.

My bold

Director-General of the BBC, Tony Hall, said:

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We have secured the right deal for the BBC in difficult economic circumstances for the country. This agreement secures the long term funding for a strong BBC over the next Charter period. It means a commitment to increase the licence fee in line with inflation, subject to Charter Review, the end of the iPlayer loophole and the end of the broadband ringfence. In the circumstances, the BBC has agreed take on the costs for free licence fees for over-75s, and after the next parliament, will take on the policy.

My bold once again

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...United_Kingdom

Anything on the legal status after June 2020?

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36007724)

ITV, the largest non-state, non-subscription service in the country isn't a major owner of content? They just broadcast thousands of hours of nothing per month? They produce, and own the rights to, plenty of content.

You're, unsurprisingly, clinging to the ridiculous now.

Of course they own content, but they will no longer be able to buy in content because it will go to the streamers.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36007730)

And there we have it. Everything I have said about this subject is related to how things are going. You and others have tried to personalise this into framing my views on what the future will look like as what I want!

I think there are a few of you on here who are just trolling and stirring up trouble.

Boris Johnson commented only the other day about converting the TV licence into a subscription, so if you want to blame anyone, blame the government.

Blaming me for stating it is simply ridiculous.:rolleyes:

What has your 'notion' got to do with it? If the government legislate, your notion is shot to pieces.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36007744)

Of course they own content, but they will no longer be able to buy in content because it will go to the streamers.

About big statement but alas with no substantiation to it.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36007692)

Thank you all for your views on this, which are very interesting. I do think that...
I understand that concern... what is not being acknowledged... I know so many of you believe... but how much more difficult is it...I note the worries... ... no doubt Virgin Media, Sky and BT will... I am absolutely certain that other providers will follow.

Also, people are not recognising... You will be able to... and all that remains for you to do... which scotches the negative thinking...

Grim is also worried... I think people will... Just enter the date on your mobile phone and set the alert!

jfman, as ever, throws a few wobblers. I think most of these points have been answered over time

Not that I've read.

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...I simply don't agree... although Sky has a lot of its own content, it probably (reluctantly, I suspect) sees itself going that way as well...

Ultimately, there will be a whole range of streamers available... you can choose what you want... For channels, think streamers, and everything should fall into place...

Although Legendkiller supposes... in common with many who believe things will change very gradually, I cannot agree with this... We are not waiting for the very last viewer to stop watching scheduled linear tv

Do you work in the field? If not, that's a curious use of 'we'.

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That lesson needs to be learned...
Of course, the people to worry about in all this are the poor, who could not run to spending their money on pay tv or streamers...

Interesting way to describe streamers not offering value for a little more than the price of a London pint.

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This will be catered for when the TV licence is scrapped... everyone has plenty of choice in the future.

Except for the linear dinosaurs like your wife, apparently.

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I acknowledge...

No you don't, that's why are are still here five years on having the same debate.

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People will... Isn't that obvious?

No.

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Some people will... I still have a huge amount of content to watch on Netflix and Prime

Prioritise that and get Vodafone broadband for £21 a month and a SIM for £15, net saving £63 a month.

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why would some people feel compelled to chop and change? You are thinking through problems that don't exist.

You are right they don't exist - only the fantasy in your mind.

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by ditching my subscription to pay tv channels, I would not have easy access

Oh?

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Discovery.. TLC... Lifetime... Quest Red... Virgin Media UHD channel, Virgin Media Exclusives... I don't want all my programmes scattered around on various playlists - I want them all in one place..

I am subscribed to the top VM package because it is available to me at only £1 above the price I was paying without the Sky premium channels.

A curious way to say that it represents extraordinary value.

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Sky Sports... BT Sport... being included in the old Full House. They go with the deal, which has saved me £10.99 in subscriptions for the Movie Pass on Now TV.

Cheaper than streaming it, I suppose!

You have all the credibility of a communist dictator enjoying all the exuberances of capitalism while telling the proletariat what to think.

Comrades!

You should get streaming! Uou should satisfy yourself with less choice! greater expense! You should lose straightforward access to content and instead use a range of apps! It will be wonderful!

I'll sit with my V6 on the full package, the market leading product but if you could all cancel to assist the achievement of my glorious vision for the future, that'd be much appreciated!

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36007734)

"Mr Johnson said". Can you find it in a contract, agreement, primary or secondary legislation?

Oh, so you're questioning what the PM says as well, are you? Ok......:p:

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36007746)

About big statement but alas with no substantiation to it.

Just sit and watch what happens to the Disney material on Sky, Den, and you might wish to review your comment.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36007744)

Of course they own content, but they will no longer be able to buy in content because it will go to the streamers.

Will it?

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And there we have it. Everything I have said about this subject is related to how things are going.

No it's not.

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You and others have tried to personalise this into framing my views on what the future will look like as what I want!

On the contrary, you will find you were first to personalise it trying to portray others as dinosaurs lacking vision. You are the one persistently pushing your agenda, for reasons unknown, across multiple threads on this forum.

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I think there are a few of you on here who are just trolling and stirring up trouble.

That could easily be said for you.

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Boris Johnson commented only the other day about converting the TV licence into a subscription, so if you want to blame anyone, blame the government.

Blaming me for stating it is simply ridiculous.:rolleyes:

What has your 'notion' got to do with it? If the government legislate, your notion is shot to pieces.

What Boris says and what Boris can do is two separate things.

I'm not sure it's my 'notion' that people can plug a TV in and pick up free to air television - it's reality, Old Boy!

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36007748)

Just sit and watch what happens to the Disney material on Sky, Den, and you might wish to review your comment.

l will sit and watch and nothing will happen l suspect so that's the end of that....