Re: smoking and the pub
 

What financial aid and promotion were they entitled to ?
A business thrives or fails on its' product or services, if they are not what the customer wants the business goes into liquidation.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Have you not heard of start-up grants, financial aid etc?

The aid and promotion is a feature set up by the City and Borough of Swansea Council (and funded by the Welsh Assembly) to help business which can demonstrate they are suffering hardship through increased or unfair competition. It's usually granted to small cornershops when a large supermarket arrives on their doorstep, that sort of thing.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

OMG Get over it!! What you're saying isn't even true!!!
So you wouldn't consider going round and asking if they would turn it down?
Have you read the above posts on this issue? You may need to re-read them. The main issues are:
a) People have habits as regards where they go and drink. One bar is not likely to change this immediately.
b) We do not know that the only reason the pub failed was due to the non-smoking policy.
c) You cannot rely on the example of one bar out of thousands.
d) As has already been said repeatedly in this thread, until a country-wide ban on smoking is introduced in bars, or even those that serve food, it is not possible to gauge how the British public will react. It is highly unlikely that the habits of the non-smokers who choose not to go to pubs because of the smoky atmosphere are going to suddenly start going out because one bar on a busy street of bars has introduced a non-smoking policy.
c) My issue has never been with profits, nor has it been with what people want, per se. As has been said many times, currently the pub going majority are smokers, but a widespread ban could well change this. The fact that one bar failed does not negate this.
d) One of the reasons for the call for a ban on smoking in public places is that it could encourage people to quit. Again, one bar will not have this effect alone.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Hey, you're the one who denied it.

Yes, but they are free to say no, just as if you wanted, you could ask a landlord to make your local a smoke free enviroment, and they are free to say no.

a) What about the habbits of the "majority" non-smokers who avoid pubs because of the smoke? Surely if you supply them with a non-smoking pub, which you claim there are plenty of customers just waiting for the oppertunity to frequent, then such a place in a sea of smoking pubs is going to be raking it in, unless of course the majority of people who go to pubs in that area accept the risks of passive smoking and go to smoking pubs, but then, that would mean your assertion was wrong.
b) Smoking: bar is successful. Introduces non-smoking policy: bar is unsuccessful even though from what you've said, there should have been loads of people rushing to drink there. Smoking again: bar is successful again.
c) A widespread ban is not on the cards.
d) You do know there is a difference between "encourage" and "coerce" don't you?

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Ok now I know you're taking the ****
Please see point d in my post.
Yes, I do. You are aware that smoking is bad for you aren't you? And that even if the government try to coerce people into quitting it will not be compulsary? But that quitting is actually a good thing?

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Not true, If you charter a complete aircraft for a group trip to somewhere, as the hirer you can determine the terms and conditions of that trip.
I went on a jolly from Biggin Hill to Le Touquet with a small group of mainly smokers in the summer.
The standard departure and landing ban on smoking applied but when the NO SMOKING lights were extinguished you could smoke or not smoke as you liked.

A wonderful time was had by all and the cabin was virtually smoke free due to the air handling units. Only downside was I lost money in the Casino, food was wonderful.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Sounds similar to a private party and so not a public place.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

a) peoples' drinking habits.
d) ban encouraging people to quit smoking
Ok you've totally lost me.

Are you aware that smoking is a legal activity?
Are you aware that you have a responsibility to protect yourself from known health risks?
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No aircraft is a public place anyway.

Talking about this, I still don't think I've seen a reply from you on private members clubs, where the members will either be denied food, or will have to stand outside to smoke, even though everyone who is there finds smoking acceptable.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

My point d in post 1068 was a response to what you were saying here:
Yes. :shrug:
And yet it is a method of transport for the general public.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

I made that point after 1068. Can I borrow your time machine please? I promise to share my lottery winnings with you :)

Try just walking on a plane because you're a member of the general public and see how close you get.
Also, and aeroplane is a vehicle, not a place or building.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

I know you did. Just thought I would spare myself the time of writing it all out again by just referring you to what I had already said.
Not sure what point you're trying to make to be honest.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Found this which I thought was worth posting re the cultural effects of smoking bans in other countries. http://www.sundayherald.com/46058


I especially liked the Irish experience where a whole new sub-culture appears to be emerging. The ban seems like good news for any singletons out there.;)

Re: smoking and the pub
 

What have you been smoking tonight clarie???

I was responding to your response to my statement that normal aircrafts are not public places, therefore your point about fireman's chartered flight being a private party doesn't make a difference.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Nothing - she gave up years ago remember? ;)

Re: smoking and the pub
 

A pub near me which serves food, I very much doubt they will get rid of food so they get smokers in it.

A mate of mine who works theres says that they make more money on food on Sat/Sun than they do on booze all week.

So IMHO saying that pubs will go bust if they ban smoking doesn't hold much water to me.