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It’s not really as simple as that though is it ? Unless you’re planning on doing a New Zealand/ Australia border closure policy for the considerable future

Then there’s how much re-engineering is required to update the vaccine and then trials/ production. Which in a potential nasty variant could take what? Months ?

We are still in a reactionary phase at the moment unfortunately

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You really need to stop reading the MSM……………

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A bit of critical thought is all you need

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Pierre, why do you persist in lapping up the latest conspiracy theory? You're clever enough to work out that all the world's media can't be in on some big conspiracy but yet again you fall into the same populist trap of believing such nonsense. It can't be a good place to be.

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What exactly in those two posts is incorrect?

The MSM headline of 207 deaths, that Mr K latched onto like a good doggy, the biggest total since whenever……….

But the reality is shown to not be that.

Not a conspiracy just poor journalistic standards. Has that been misreported/misrepresented or not?

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Especially as he keeps telling us he doesn’t care about Covid.

I dread to think where he is in his own mind about things he does care about if he puts such negative energy into despising people on furlough and finding deaths amusing.

He should focus his energy on getting me that list of credible economic journals I asked for, or the difference between a vaccine and a booster. I suspect I’ll be disappointed and none will appear.

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Typical 5:00am ramblings. did you hit your head on the way to the bathroom?

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No just up early. I thought where else would I rather be than the Covid thread to get your delightful insights.

Andrew got you pretty much nailed on in his last post.

What’s the latest conspiracy that the 207 people reported to have died (WITH Covid, but not OF Covid :rolleyes:) aren’t dead and were escorted to Diego Garcia on MH-370 where they were greeted on the tarmac by Elvis?

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One minute you're telling us that you shouldn't judge an author on his other books, now you're advising Mr K to stop reading mainstream media on the basis of a single article from a loss-making online-only newspaper!

Sorry Pierre, but I'm really struggling to see any logic in the contradictory arguments you're now making.

The reality is that you may have a valid point about that article, I don't know. But in your desire to use this article to condemn all mainstream media - presumably because it doesn't act as an echo chamber for your views on managing Covid 19 - you've failed to explain why the article is wrong.

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Essentially the straw which he is, without much dignity, clutching to is that the 207 reported didn’t necessarily die the day before. Or in a 24 hour window at all.

The same point has been made throughout yet that doesn’t change the fact they are dead, and there have always been anomalies in reporting around weekends and public holidays.

It seems a waste of all that privilege Pierre has to use it up with such pedantry in a lame, failed attempt at outwitting us minions. Yet here we are.

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By this stage in the year, we have had other bank holidays to compare such results to so if that's the highest total so far, and it's significantly higher, then something is going on.

But assuming for one moment the article was misleading, using one article to condemn all mainstream media is illogical and contradicts the advice to not judge a book on what the author has previously written.

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To be honest I think you’re giving too much weight to the idea that Pierre is using a considered approach to his posts, rather than doing so with the sole objective of being contrary or controversial.

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The article clearly is trying to put forward the narrative that there has been a massive increase in deaths. When there hasn't it is just due to the lumpy nature of the stats being recorded over several days of a bank holiday. Where death actually fell over the period, not increased.

I though that was obvious.

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Are you two going to stop dancing around the tension between you and just get a room already.

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Surely a written piece either puts forward a narrative or it doesn’t.

The subtitle says that deaths have been steadily rising since June - something that is clearly demonstrably true. I appreciate the truth is uncomfortable for you, and that as you tell us so often you don’t care that might leave your attention to detail lacking.

I find it’s often helpful to read articles, rather than to forward my pre-conceived, persistently proven wrong narratives because despite all my self-styled privilege I’m bored.

Another valuable contribution to the thread.

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They remind me of any program featuring Ant & Dec . . . where the adverts have more content than the show itself ;)

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Everytime I come on here I seem to miss about 10 pages of posts but somehow everyone is still arguing about the exact same things.

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:D:D:D

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So much for vaccinations being the solution.
Link

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Welcome back to the Brexit, sorry Coronavirus, thread. :D

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Do you think a UK winter lockdown is likely then?

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TBF if this was your first visit since 2004 you could say much the same thing.

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Says he, rubbing his hands with glee. :rolleyes:

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I certainly don't want that, I love my Winter pubs with dark real ales and open fires.

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Nobody is gleeful about lockdown, OB. We all want a sustainable way out of this that supports both public health and the economy. Well, apart from two notable exceptions for whom public health comes a distant second.

It’d be helpful if you didn’t misrepresent the position of others - it’d avoid the circular discussion that Damien alludes to a few posts back where people have to unnecessarily restate their well known and established positions.

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At this point, I think it's worth looking at the vaccine as a head start of getting COVID to reach endemic status as opposed to pandemic status. It's not going away and it's likely we'll all get it at some point.

When we do get it however we'll all be in a better position to cope with it. Fewer people will get symptoms, of those that do fewer will have it badly or get long COVID, of those that do fewer will be hospitalised and of those who are fewer still will die. Once you've had a natural infection and the vaccine the immunity levels will be even higher. COVID will be endemic.

We can't get rid of it so the question around any further restrictions will have to be what does this gain us? If it's just a delay then what's the point? The only justification is to act as a brake on hospitalisations if the numbers spike at the same time as flu season. Even then the Government will need a good argument as to why this would be 'one last push' and why they'll be better prepared for Winter 2022.

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A pot and kettle spring to mind .... :rofl:

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To be honest, jfman's views on Coronavirus are pretty mainstream and in line with WHO, HMG etc.

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In other threads I may have made the odd contrary post. I'll hold my hands up.

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It's always been my stance that lockdown represents the emergency brake because things have got out of control. While the vaccine is having positive outcomes, there's still 1000 (and rising) people on ventilators as we sit here today. That doesn't just have an impact on Covid - that has wider healthcare implications.

Buying time isn't solely a delay for the sake of it - better treatments emerge, booster vaccines emerge. We've got 35 million Pfizer vaccines ordered for next Autumn, however it's clear that longer term vaccines have to match the variants out there in reality. Vaccination against the variant we had two variants ago is never going to adequately resolve the issue.

Some of those who subscribe to the idea that Covid leaked from a lab draw parallels between the "partially vaccinated" and gain-of-function research.

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Are you going to get that room or not?

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Put down the beer Pierre. Come back tomorrow morning and hope you have a better day in the thread on a subject you don’t care about, debating with people that you don’t care what they think.

I mean it’s unlikely. However the pandemic was unlikely so why not roll the dice…

Speak to you then no doubt!

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Apparently there is a new variant, MU variant, apparently it's potentially vaccine resistant

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oooh quick, close the ports and airports, stop the ferries and close the channel tunnel, and no more refugees from . . . oh damn, too late again :rolleyes:

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The Greek Alphabet. One lesson learned from Covid 19.;)

Here's a bit more information on the new variant. Its potentally greater resistance to vaccines needs more investigation, advises WHO.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1912373.html

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honeymoon suite?

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That's an offer you can't refuse, Pierre. Just remember to wear your mask on your way there. ;)

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If I might highlight a couple of facts:

- WHO has classed it a variant of interest. It is not a variant of concern at this time.
- There are five variants of interest at present so the classification of Mu in this way is not a cause for fevered speculation or alarm, any more than was the case with Eta, Iota, Kappa or Lambda (two of which were designated as long ago as last March). All five of these variants were first identified last year.
- Studies will establish *if* it is vaccine resistant. The conducting of studies is not a reason to over-emphasise the possibility of vaccine resistance. Lurid headlines are best left to the Press.

The discovery and classification dates of all nine major covid variants are worth bearing in mind, to try to keep this in perspective. There’s lots of info here:

https://www.who.int/en/activities/tr...oV-2-variants/

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Much like the delay in declaring a pandemic as Covid was only rife on five continents it appears that a VOI could exhibit very concerning characterises but WHO bureaucracy would delay ringing the alarm bell.

This is the organisation that denied airborne transmission for the best part of 18 months.

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As if by magic, Job’s comforter pops up to assure us that, despite previous failures to appear, hell’s handcart will arrive shortly at platform 13 …

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You’d have a point if any of my statement was incorrect or exaggerated. My atrocious spelling of characteristics aside (damn autocorrect), the points are valid.

The WHO as an organisation have probably done more to harm public health than any organisation, perhaps with the exception of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, in the last two years.

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With no due respect the world and WHO have had to deal with an organism that they had no previous experience of. I think we did pretty well under the circumstance.:p:

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I'd like to add Twitter & Facebook to that list . . . along with various media outlets ;)

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Media reporting that Boris is wanting to extend the ‘covid powers’ for another six months (they’re due to automatically lapse in March 22 however)

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I’m sure many organisations, governments, health officials and pharmaceutical companies have done very well under the circumstances. I’m not convinced that should be extended to the WHO.

If anyone else said what they did downplaying human to human transmission (against all evidence) in January 2020, downplaying airborne transmission (against much evidence) and running a sham investigation into the origins of Covid they’d rightfully be laughed out of town. The fact this is a UN organisation doesn’t exempt it from criticism for at best incompetence and at worst complicity with the CCP.

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Agreed. I'm hoping the lessons WHO has learned extend beyond learning a few letters in the Greek Alphabet.

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Would that include pondering why they are wasting their collective breath?

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Comedy from the behavioural scientists at the JCVI today basically handing a decision to Ministers and CMOs on vaccinating 12-15 year olds. Wonder what their combined daily rate to come up with that was.

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Maybe they don't want to be responsible for potentially harming healthy children.

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Haven't they vaccinated that age group in Israel? without issue?

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They ought to take that up with the MHRA, who describe the vaccine as safe and effective.

Fundamentally it appears they don’t want to provide political cover for Ministers who have to decide, based on limited supply of mRNA vaccines, whether to vaccinate children or offer boosters.

12-15 year olds can’t vote, unfortunately, so we know what way that one goes.

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Why let facts in the way of posting spurious anti-vax messages.

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The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) today extended the small group of seriously ill children aged 12 to 15 who can currently get vaccinated.

But it announced it cannot recommend jabs for otherwise healthy children in this age group for the time being. The JCVI says the small risk from Covid-19 to that age group does not justify the risk from extremely rare side effects.


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...nt-go-24904440

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An answer to a question i didn't ask... marvellous

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Elon Musk said that sometimes the questions were harder than the answers. Now I know what he means. ;)

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That's spot on, well said.

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Why vaccinate a section of the population that don’t need it?

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What’s the evidence base for your claim?

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Do your own research, the evidence is clear that children do not not die or get a serious illness from any variant of COVID.

All the adult groups should be vaccinated, but to suggest we should vaccinate kids that don’t need it to protect adults that should already have had it, is bonkers.

There are still millions of adults in at risk groups globally that have still not not received a vaccine. Any vaccines should be sent to them, not to healthy western kids that don’t need it.

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No child has died? A clearly false claim. As is the claim that children do not get serious illness.

Did you even read the JCVI advice, or is your Friday evening sojourn into the Covid thread simply another attempt to offer baseless speculation as fact, simply because you are - and have always been - opposed to vaccinating children.

There’s plenty of evidence from Israel to demonstrate the reduced risk of hospitalisation of vaccinated children compared to the unvaccinated. That’s before considering the impact on transmission.

Then again, you won’t have read that alongside your conspiracy theories in the bowels of the internet, would you?

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Quite clearly not what I said, try harder to feign indignation.

Well that’s what the “science” says……..

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01897-w

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Hang on Pierre those were literally your own words.

A completely unqualified statement. If you meant to say “most”, “the majority”, “the vast majority” then that was notably absent from your posts.

How am I supposed to treat your “claims” with any credibility, and counter them, if you lack the ability to coherently communicate them yourself?

Thanks for sharing a link that proves a non-zero risk to children from severe infection or death. That’s very helpful.

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No data, but if you can provide me data on less severe illness ( which is very much a vague term) or long Covid (equally vague) in kids, we can talk about it.

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Pretty much sums up your night, Pierre.

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Alright, I’ll put my hands up when wrong. I thought I had qualified that but I hadn’t. Quite clearly a very small number of children have died, and of that very small number and even smaller number of otherwise healthy kids.

According to the report I subsequently posted it was 2 in every 1 million…………….2 in every 1 million.

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I’ve got lots of data, where’s yours?

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So much data you can’t even summarise the key point, evidently.

Death isn’t the only negative outcome of Covid, as I’m sure you are aware and have read extensive evidence of.

I’m sure you are also aware that the 2 in a million figure is based on using the whole population as a denominator where there were extensive period of lockdown and the vast, vast majority of children were not infected. It’s essentially a bullshit figure.

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2 in 1 million……….. summarised.

I am, and as I just advised to Hugh, if you can provide “data” on those negative outcomes in regards to kids we can talk about it. So now you have an opportunity to provide your “ data”. Have about it.

Do you also think we should vaccinate U.K. and western kids before we vaccinate adults and other at risk groups globally?

Which was the thrust of my original post that as usual you chose to ignore before going off you usual malarkey

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Plucking a sentence from an article while not fully understanding it makes for a poor, but not unexpected given the author, summary.

Yes. Would you prefer we went into lockdown?

You claim to not, yet scoff at every reasonable proposal to prevent it. As the self-styled privileged Pierre, we understand you are completely unaffected by restrictions but for others it’s important that they are left behind in a sustainable (and not ideological) way.

The UK vaccines are a drop in the ocean compared to the billions the world requires. The solution is in removing the patents and increasing manufacture, not leaving western countries loitering below the herd immunity threshold and on the brink of restrictions.

Here’s something interesting:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=2891

I wholeheartedly agree. Who are these behavioural scientists to deny Great British parents the right to vaccinate their kids with a safe and effective vaccine.

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I understand just fine, you perpetual juvenile digs, are just that, and don’t embolden you no matter how delusionally you think they may

you have data that not vaccinating children will do this. Please share?

Juvenile dig again. I once mentioned I was lucky (and privileged through hard work) to live in a semi-rural area, work from home, and escape much of woes of lock down.

I mentioned it once, whereas you mention it virtually every time you respond to a post from me.

Which is fine, it just helps me frame who you are. Jealous, envious and insecure. You need to believe in yourself and stop lashing out people that you think are doing better than you.

I believe in you.

12.7 million under 16s in the U.K. 26million doses that could go elsewhere.

That could fully vaccinate Rwanda.

There is already a manufacturing and supply line, just need to direct it, where it’s needed. Which is not at people that don’t need it

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Is that your attempt at a “ gotcha”, god that’s so sad. Also not relevant at all.

As in that post, I’m not anti-vaccine. My kids are all vaccinated because there is a verifiable medical need for them to be. For their own health.

The discussion here is if there is such a need in regards to COVID because the studies are unequivocal that the risk to health to kids is negligible.

You’re so sad.

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If you cannot see the link between lockdown and that low figure then you simply do not understand it. Upon challenge, you plucked a a single sentence out of an article that sounds good.

Somewhat ironic from the man who thinks everyone on furlough is sitting watching Jeremy Kyle.

Yet here you are with nothing better to do of a Friday evening that haphazardly jump into the Coronavirus thread, make spurious claims you can’t back up then double down on them.

If we can’t vaccinate everyone in a reasonable timescale then we are resigned to new variants, new boosters. Until manufacturing is at 8 billion doses a year, with associated distribution chains it will be woefully inadequate.

Pretending we can just send 26 million doses to Rwanda and they’d have the infrastructure to safely store and distribute the Pfizer vaccine is folly. All those AstraZeneca vaccines on the other hand...

The studies are not unequivocal in any way, shape or form. Nor is it an attempt at a gotcha, it’s just sorry to see how you’ve slipped from a reasonably considered post into fundamentally anti-vax nonsense. For no real purpose whatsoever.

That said, it’s undoubtedly a positive that your own kids are vaccinated. I don’t see what’s problematic about extending that right to other parents.

I suspect this will be irrelevant anyway, as the Government finds evidence to justify it.

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so the fact that only 2 kids in 1 million are likely to die from COVID. What bit of that fact don’t you understand? And what is the link between lockdown and that figure as there is no causation between them. It is based on cases, regardless of lockdown.

A sweeping generalisation based on my mental projection of you. If you don’t watch Jeremy Kyle, I apologise.

I really don’t know if you’re being super ironic, or ………………

If not, you should find an open mic spot because you’re hilarious.

well, back on topic, well done. The whole point of this discussion is we don’t need to vaccinate “everyone”

indeed, and until we hit level, if indeed we ever do, we should focus on vaccinating those that actually need it.

the point is, it can go elsewhere than the U.K.

Unless you have a U.K. first agenda, which is a bit Trumpian. Unexpected even for you.

Yes, yes they are. You are, of course, free to post any study that proves healthy
Kids, under 18’s are at risk of death of COVID.

I’m sure the western world would immediately take note, you could make a name for yourself.

. If it walks like a duck.

Well the whole point was that it wasn’t anti-vax…………the opposite in fact .but hey I’m sure everyone else will understand.

My kids are vaccinated against MMR and others. They were not vaccinated from chickenpox. Because one set can cause major issues and the other is just a mild illness but can cause scarring. If it was proven to be a fundamental necessity for the health of my child to be vaccinated from Covid, i wouldn’t hesitate. That has not been proven.

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That’s not what they measured. This is fundamental to your misunderstanding of the subject matter. This is a measurement to date, based on a low number of infections, including lockdowns you are desperate to avoid.

Your one talent on the board I must say. No kids die, no kids get serve illness. Sorry folks, I didn’t mean to be so sweeping...

None of the rest of your post is fundamentally irrelevant because the crux is you do not fully understand the subject matter.

Your latest shift is that studies should only measure effects on “healthy” children, seemingly discarding the lives of those with underlying health conditions.

A new low in Pierre’s Coronavirus output.

While you are privileged enough to work from home what about those who rely on grandparents for childcare, should they risk exposure amid waning immunity?

Fundamentally you lose almost every single attempt at debating in the thread. You fail to consider the subject in a matter that isn’t entirely about you, who are at minimal risk anyway.

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England Vaccine Passport Scheme Dropped

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58535258

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Common sense at last. Better late than never!

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Not the victory you were looking for OB.

The idea is to make it a way to keep unvaccinated people apart from those who are vaccinated (and not susceptible to Covid).

Experience in the UK is that people who are double vaccinated are catching Covid, ending up in hospital and dying. Therefore vaccine passports don't have the use case they once did - to split the two populations.

In practice if Covid is till out there, people are still getting it and still dying in significant enough numbers it's back to the old restrictions unless the numbers come down. Boris is coming out to break the bad news this week.

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The PM will be concentrating on vaccinations rather than restrictions, and the requirement for PCR tests for people returning from amber list countries will be ditched. The amber list itself will be ditched.

No more masks, no more social distancing. It’s all good.

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Let's wait and see, OB. I sense your optimism will once again be disappointed. Every metric going is in the wrong direction - in Scotland where the schools went back a month ago more than anywhere else.

There's a crystal ball into England's near future. Hospitals at breaking point. And it's not even cold outside.

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In the past month i have been to
Grimsby hospital -empty
hull royal - empty
hull castle hill -empty
Beverly - empty
Goole - empty

these places are deserted the wards are covered in dust sheets.

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There's a couple of hospitals declaring emergency situations. Stories of drafting the army in to help in Scotland.

These may be exceptional circumstances, however as we all know I don't do exceptionalism so all things being equal these are inevitable elsewhere. Oddly European cases don't seem to be going the same way and (albeit, it's only CNN) America claim the vast majority of deaths and hospitalisations (according to the CDC) are in the unvaccinated. Not a statement I think PHE could make.

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https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1631481552

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news...-weeks-5896290 https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news...normal-5905872

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/n...ricted-5822161

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Didn’t somebody once say it wasn’t a seasonal virus like flu and could strike at any time of the year?

The point is, we have 90% of adults vaccinated. This virus is no longer the extreme danger it once was. We are just going to have to live with it.

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Probably you.

Speculative. Hence the world leaders in vaccination rushing out both boosters and teenagers. And here we are. Behavioural scientists not making decisions it's almost as if it's driven by supply chains than science.

I'm now of the opinion another lockdown is inevitable because of these delays. Showing a bit of paper to get into a pub will seem dreamy.

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I see paranoia is still alive and ticking.

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We can only wait and see what happens. Cross fingers, clap at 8pm on Thursdays, but the crushing reality will likely bring everyone back to the inevitable.

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It looks like that cupboard under the stairs in your house will be occupied for some time yet then, jfman.

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https://www.ft.com/content/4d85f489-...2-b97742a60c62
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58499064

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Personalising it again, OB.

I’m not sure the cupboard provides much more protection than any of the other rooms in my house. Or the garden.

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Do you think that the pandemic is over ?

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The two issues to keep an eye on from my perspective are:

1. Once we've had a few weeks of the schools being back, and a move from outdoor to indoor gatherings as winter approaches, will the NHS be able to handle any increased infections?

2. Until vaccination rates in emerging countries like Brazil and India are closer to those of Western Europe's , there is still a good chance of further mutations emerging which may be more vaccine-resistant and contagious and will spread globally.

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https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/c...s-b954973.html https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c...ists-3zv90szj8

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Despite this morning’s Press attempts to try to make this a “government in disarray” story, Javid did actually say on live TV yesterday morning that the vaccine passport scheme would be held in reserve should it become necessary later.

From yesterday’s BBC report:

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Looks like the government has used the Daily Mail to leak its policies.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lockdowns.html

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So Javid announced a decision, even though his colleague said

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H'mm...where have we heard that line before? :D

Clearly, two can play at that game! :english:

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I heard it spreads through walls...

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No, but its impact is much less now we have the vaccinations.

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1. Increased infections are not the worry - increased hospitalisations are. There are no signs to suggest that the NHS will be overwhelmed, and the risk diminishes the more people get vaccinated.

2. That's what boosters are for.

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450 per day die of cancer in the UK.

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You don’t catch cancer from other people…

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That’s true, but we need to get these numbers into perspective.

Covid was only ninth in the leading causes of death in the UK in July 2021.

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It's far safer being under the stairs than on top of them. ;)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/790609.stm