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jfman 30-12-2019 20:18
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36021605)
I am confident that Netflix will succeed. I am just acknowledging that failure is a remote possibility.

If the range of TV choices is what you and others want, then I hope for your sakes that it comes about. I don't have anything against that. I am simply pointing out that rationalisation is far more likely as demand for traditional TV continues to decline.

You're the economics guy. You tell me why content providers should continue to provide all these channels in the longer term. It's all very well you saying they can be run on a shoestring, but you can't do that with decent content. Whilst it's true that content providers need to pay anyway for their VOD content, they have to pay separately to screen that content on live TV. I just cannot see how that would be worthwhile. In the end, only the most efficient providers with quality content will survive. Why would they want to saddle themselves with unnecessary cost and effort?
I've been over this a million times.

Literally nobody buys anything other than exclusive rights to content - live, on demand, streaming, etc. It'd leave a huge gaping hole in business plans all around the industry if a streamer didn't pick up all forms of TV rights to ensure nobody else (ITV for example) started beaming your non-exclusive content into 26 million homes.

So it's a total red herring to claim there's any additional rights cost at all.

Which brings us to the genuine additional cost and effort. Which is demonstrably virtually nothing given the channels all over the EPG running on shoestring budgets with virtually zero viewers.

Why continue? If you are ITV, Channel 4 or Five you get prominence on Freeview. If you are Sky you get prominence in 9 million homes on your own platform. None of these companies are going to walk away from that lightly to become apps on a Samsung TV leaving prominence (and software updates) up to the manufacturer. Of course they will have a streaming presence, but why rely on that alone and give up your golden goose that is the fact people switch on their sets and find you right there at the top of the EPG.

If you don't think that this prominence has any significance at all can you explain to me why an Andy Murray match at Wimbledon will rate higher on BBC1 than BBC2? Why would the FA Cup rate higher on the BBC than ITV?

You are simply applying your own views to the entire population - and as I've said before anything other than state intervention makes it extremely difficult to get 100% of a population to do anything.

Chris 30-12-2019 20:24
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36021592)
It is fair enough to point to the huge debt that Netflix has, and continues to accrue. But to be so cock sure that they will never come out of the other side shows a lack of flexibility of thought on your part.

Whilst I cannot rule out that Netflix could fail in the end, nor can you rule out that they may well succeed.
One of the most perennially amusing things about all the streaming threads on Cable Forum is your tendency to see inflexibility in people who simply challenge your own, famously inflexible opinions.

Nobody else here is ruling anything out - they are, however, making a better fist of weighing probable outcomes than you appear to be.

I tend to agree with those who believe that ultimately Netflix’s debt pile will be too great to sustain. Its market cap at the moment is around $140 billion which is ludicrous, and more than a little reminiscent of the dotcom bubble, with its tendency to value companies on their future earnings potential rather than their track record. Its debt, at $12 billion, may be only a fraction of its market cap at the moment but if there’s a sudden correction in the share price that could change quickly.

There is undoubtedly value in the business but that just makes it a takeover target once it is valued appropriately. Don’t imagine for a second that a larger, well established media company wouldn’t snap it up should the price be right. I think the chances of the Netflix brand surviving to 2035 are very slim. Its content, and its subscriber base - which at the end of the day is all that stands behind the logo - will in time be merged into something bigger.

OLD BOY 31-12-2019 09:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36021607)
According to viewing figures shown some hundreds of posts ago, there are many channels that exist on very low numbers so what makes you think they will all suddenly disappear?
Because now is not the future. Those figures will go down and with it, the quality programmes, which will lead to even more audience losses. That cannot continue forever. If you run a channel on a shoestring, do you honestly think there will be much on there worth seeing?

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36021608)
I've been over this a million times.

Literally nobody buys anything other than exclusive rights to content - live, on demand, streaming, etc. It'd leave a huge gaping hole in business plans all around the industry if a streamer didn't pick up all forms of TV rights to ensure nobody else (ITV for example) started beaming your non-exclusive content into 26 million homes.

So it's a total red herring to claim there's any additional rights cost at all.

Which brings us to the genuine additional cost and effort. Which is demonstrably virtually nothing given the channels all over the EPG running on shoestring budgets with virtually zero viewers.

Why continue? If you are ITV, Channel 4 or Five you get prominence on Freeview. If you are Sky you get prominence in 9 million homes on your own platform. None of these companies are going to walk away from that lightly to become apps on a Samsung TV leaving prominence (and software updates) up to the manufacturer. Of course they will have a streaming presence, but why rely on that alone and give up your golden goose that is the fact people switch on their sets and find you right there at the top of the EPG.

If you don't think that this prominence has any significance at all can you explain to me why an Andy Murray match at Wimbledon will rate higher on BBC1 than BBC2? Why would the FA Cup rate higher on the BBC than ITV?

You are simply applying your own views to the entire population - and as I've said before anything other than state intervention makes it extremely difficult to get 100% of a population to do anything.
I get that prominence on the EPG has great significance, because at the moment, if you want to record a programme, that's where you go to record it. If you don't use VOD, that's how you select your programmes.

However, once the majority of people get more used to VOD, and assuming that programmes remain on there for longer (particularly the 'catch-up' programmes) their method of selecting programmes to watch will become different.

By the way, I have never said that the population will just voluntarily stop watching scheduled channels to achieve your 100% figure. I have said they will reduce to the extent that these channels will no longer be viable.

The transmitter switch-off is the most likely time that this change will be made. There really is no point in just shifting existing broadcasting methods to IPTV when programmes can be accessed in a more modern and convenient way.

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36021609)
One of the most perennially amusing things about all the streaming threads on Cable Forum is your tendency to see inflexibility in people who simply challenge your own, famously inflexible opinions.

Nobody else here is ruling anything out - they are, however, making a better fist of weighing probable outcomes than you appear to be.

I tend to agree with those who believe that ultimately Netflix’s debt pile will be too great to sustain. Its market cap at the moment is around $140 billion which is ludicrous, and more than a little reminiscent of the dotcom bubble, with its tendency to value companies on their future earnings potential rather than their track record. Its debt, at $12 billion, may be only a fraction of its market cap at the moment but if there’s a sudden correction in the share price that could change quickly.

There is undoubtedly value in the business but that just makes it a takeover target once it is valued appropriately. Don’t imagine for a second that a larger, well established media company wouldn’t snap it up should the price be right. I think the chances of the Netflix brand surviving to 2035 are very slim. Its content, and its subscriber base - which at the end of the day is all that stands behind the logo - will in time be merged into something bigger.
Of course, all of that assumes that Netflix do not have any plans to accommodate different scenarios. Although it may not be the preferred option, I am sure that Netflix must have strategies for the better monetisation of their assets if necessary.

You say I am inflexible in my views when I am simply challenging the fixed beliefs that keep coming through on these threads that nothing will ever change. I am only pointing out the logical outcome to existing trends.

jfman 31-12-2019 10:09
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36021636)
Because now is not the future. Those figures will go down and with it, the quality programmes, which will lead to even more audience losses. That cannot continue forever. If you run a channel on a shoestring, do you honestly think there will be much on there worth seeing?

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I get that prominence on the EPG has great significance, because at the moment, if you want to record a programme, that's where you go to record it. If you don't use VOD, that's how you select your programmes.

However, once the majority of people get more used to VOD, and assuming that programmes remain on there for longer (particularly the 'catch-up' programmes) their method of selecting programmes to watch will become different.
Cable operators have been doing VOD for twenty years. Even if “the majority” of homes stop naturally going to the EPG, that’s still millions of homes who do.

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By the way, I have never said that the population will just voluntarily stop watching scheduled channels to achieve your 100% figure. I have said they will reduce to the extent that these channels will no longer be viable.
To the extent broadcast television ceases to be viable requires the vast, vast majority to do so voluntarily (90%+) without state intervention.

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The transmitter switch-off is the most likely time that this change will be made. There really is no point in just shifting existing broadcasting methods to IPTV when programmes can be accessed in a more modern and convenient way.
See the thing is Old Boy, what you aren’t grasping, is that for millions of people sitting down, pressing the “power on” button and checking the EPG is convenient. Or at least, convenient enough to satisfy them for whatever time they plan on watching TV.

If we are really going to boil this down to maintaining the transmitter network (something that’s relatively cheap aggregated across all the channels who use it) then you are really clutching at straws.

You aren’t considering the cost to ISPs of shoving all this data through their networks or the cost in troubleshooting service issues for the end user. Is it their hardware (TV, iPad, router, the ISP), a wider issues with the streaming provider). That’s all fine if you’re dealing with someone who wants the technology - it’s a whole different ball game if you are dealing with someone who doesn’t want it, doesn’t need it and who is fundamentally going to ask if they are getting a better experience than before.

Not a single country in the world at present has any plans to switch off terrestrial broadcasting.

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Of course, all of that assumes that Netflix do not have any plans to accommodate different scenarios. Although it may not be the preferred option, I am sure that Netflix must have strategies for the better monetisation of their assets if necessary.
I’m sure 20 years ago someone similarly naive would have been in the bowels of the internet telling us how AOL must have strategies for world domination and how they couldn’t possibly fail.

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You say I am inflexible in my views when I am simply challenging the fixed beliefs that keep coming through on these threads that nothing will ever change. I am only pointing out the logical outcome to existing trends.
You’re the only person in these threads who keeps posting the same message ad infinitum that the world will turn out the way you want to see it and that’s that.

Your application of existing trends is not logical - simple use of the word doesn’t legitimise your analysis. Consumer behaviour doesn’t work in the way you believe it does and actually once the low hanging fruit have moved over it can be far more resistant to change than you believe it to be.

muppetman11 31-12-2019 10:36
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OB both Comcast and Disney already have many ways to monetise its content such as theme parks , retail stores , hotels , cruise lines etc.

Netflix has none of the above it's a one trick pony.

denphone 31-12-2019 10:55
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36021644)
OB both Comcast and Disney already have many ways to monetise its content such as theme parks , retail stores , hotels , cruise lines etc.

Netflix has none of the above it's a one trick pony.
And one trick pony's usually get found out as time goes on..

OLD BOY 31-12-2019 12:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36021642)
Not a single country in the world at present has any plans to switch off terrestrial broadcasting.
Switzerland and Belgium already have switched off their DTT broadcasting - keep up! The UK is expected to do so as well by the 2030s.

Clearly, no argument in the world will stop you from arguing that black is white. So, whatever.

jfman 31-12-2019 12:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36021662)
Switzerland and Belgium already have switched off their DTT broadcasting - keep up! The UK is expected to do so as well by the 2030s.

Clearly, no argument in the world will stop you from arguing that black is white. So, whatever.
Haha, context Old Boy. Please provide context!

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2018...d-switzerland/

The reality is neither country really used DTT at all. Indeed, SRG are recommending people switch to Eutelsat's satellite broadcasts. So it isn't the end of traditional television as we know it, not by a long shot.

There's no plan in place for the UK to cease DTT transmissions by any such date. Considering it took 14 years to move from analogue to digital, announced years in advance of launch in 1998, I think you are somewhat aspirational.

spankysmagicpian 31-12-2019 12:49
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Hello.

You may not believe this but I've discovered the secret of time travel and jumped forward from the year 2013 to see what the 2020s are like....I'm a little early but...

Is this thread still going on...???

jfman 31-12-2019 13:25
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Originally Posted by spankysmagicpian (Post 36021665)
Hello.

You may not believe this but I've discovered the secret of time travel and jumped forward from the year 2013 to see what the 2020s are like....I'm a little early but...

Is this thread still going on...???
I suspect we will still be here in 2034 with Old Boy clutching at the end of a very narrow straw.

OLD BOY 31-12-2019 14:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36021664)
Haha, context Old Boy. Please provide context!

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2018...d-switzerland/

The reality is neither country really used DTT at all. Indeed, SRG are recommending people switch to Eutelsat's satellite broadcasts. So it isn't the end of traditional television as we know it, not by a long shot.

There's no plan in place for the UK to cease DTT transmissions by any such date. Considering it took 14 years to move from analogue to digital, announced years in advance of launch in 1998, I think you are somewhat aspirational.
The BBC is planning for that eventuality - I mentioned this and provided my source some months ago. But of course, that doesn't suit your argument, so you ignore it. So, dream on, jfman, dream on.

denphone 31-12-2019 14:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36021667)
I suspect we will still be here in 2034 with Old Boy clutching at the end of a very narrow straw.
Hopefully l might still be here much to his disappointment..:D:D

jfman 31-12-2019 15:32
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36021674)
The BBC is planning for that eventuality - I mentioned this and provided my source some months ago. But of course, that doesn't suit your argument, so you ignore it. So, dream on, jfman, dream on.
Please provide said source again. Specifically where it says they will not broadcast via DTT by 2030, or linear on any platform (indeed even IPTV still counts as linear).

The BBC like any reasonable organisation are making future planning, which obviously streaming is a part of. However as always Old Boy, the source information plus your own flawed analysis gives you the answer you were looking for - unsurprisingly.

Hugh 31-12-2019 17:46
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36021674)
The BBC is planning for that eventuality - I mentioned this and provided my source some months ago. But of course, that doesn't suit your argument, so you ignore it. So, dream on, jfman, dream on.
Good friend of mine (known him since ‘94, worked with him twice in that time period) is a Network Technical Architect with the BBC (deeply involved in planning for the medium and long-term future for the BBC networks and transmission capabilities) disagrees with you...

He is currently involved (a small part if his job) in replacing 128Kb ISDN links (used for the Outside Broadcasting voice links) from football stadiums with 5G links - the ISDN links have been in place since the early 80s. The BBC sweats its assets, and doesn’t replace stuff because something "shiny" comes on stream.

The BBC put an options paper together, one of those options was no DTT, but that was in the "very unlikely" category...

Chris 31-12-2019 19:45
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Ah, ISDN ... I remember using bonded ISDN lines for videoconferencing maybe 10 years ago, when internet speeds even in fairly large city office buildings just weren’t reliable enough. I’m not surprised the BBC has stuck with them until now - the quality is perfectly adequate for radio and the reliability is rock solid. It just works, much as DTT just works, much as scheduled broadcast TV just works. Things that just work don’t get chucked out just because something new appears.

jfman 01-01-2020 00:00
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Happy New Year folks. And in two minutes time to anyone who was streaming.

Here's to the next fifteen.

Chris 01-01-2020 01:03
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36021735)
Happy New Year folks. And in two minutes time to anyone who was streaming.

Here's to the next fifteen.
I get in trouble with the missus every year by loudly counting down to new year from my properly synchronised watch while everyone else in the room is gawping at the TV ... at least the digital TV delay seems to be down to about 5 seconds these days but IP streaming is still awful.

Happy new year anyway, whenever it happened. :tu:

denphone 01-01-2020 08:34
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36021736)
I get in trouble with the missus every year by loudly counting down to new year from my properly synchronised watch while everyone else in the room is gawping at the TV ... at least the digital TV delay seems to be down to about 5 seconds these days but IP streaming is still awful.

Happy new year anyway, whenever it happened. :tu:
Right on cue we get the ships in the sound sounding their horns off and if that was not enough the firework shows which we can see go off from our place every year.:)

Legendkiller2k 01-01-2020 13:21
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36021736)
I get in trouble with the missus every year by loudly counting down to new year from my properly synchronised watch while everyone else in the room is gawping at the TV ... at least the digital TV delay seems to be down to about 5 seconds these days but IP streaming is still awful.

Happy new year anyway, whenever it happened. :tu:
This haha when my google hub hits midnight, seconds before the tv.
Happy new year all here's to a fantastic 2020 for everyone.

1andrew1 01-01-2020 22:55
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On another note, just seen that the top six grossing movies in the US are all from Disney.
  • Avengers: Endgame
  • The Lion King
  • Toy Story 4
  • Frozen II
  • Captain Marvel
  • Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker

This should help ensure Disney + is a success.
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/year/2...alendarGrosses

denphone 02-01-2020 06:26
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36021796)
On another note, just seen that the top six grossing movies in the US are all from Disney.
  • Avengers: Endgame
  • The Lion King
  • Toy Story 4
  • Frozen II
  • Captain Marvel
  • Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker

This should help ensure Disney + is a success.
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/year/2...alendarGrosses

Something Netflix can only dream about....

Legendkiller2k 02-01-2020 12:23
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36021800)
Something Netflix can only dream about....
Funny considering The Witcher has been the biggest show of the year streamwise.

denphone 02-01-2020 12:39
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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36021815)
Funny considering The Witcher has been the biggest show of the year streamwise.
In terms of bankable value Disney's formidable and deep library of current and past content makes it far more valuable.

Legendkiller2k 02-01-2020 13:02
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36021818)
In terms of bankable value Disney's formidable and deep library of current and past content makes it far more valuable.
Oh absolutely i agree with you on that but even Disney don't have bottomless pockets.

Hugh 02-01-2020 16:28
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Interesting viewpoint on yhe future of DTT from The House of Lords Select Committee on Communications and Digital - 1st Report of Session 2019 - published 5th November 2019.

https://publications.parliament.uk/p...muni/16/16.pdf

Pages 64-65
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250. Digital UK argued that DTT was necessary to safeguard the universal free availability of public service broadcasting. It noted that the future delivery of all TV through the internet was “conceivable” but it highlighted a number of challenges for this prospect. Broadband is still not universal: 13 per cent of adults do not have it. Broadband is associated with a monthly subscription contract which undermines the notion of ‘free TV’. It is also not as reliable or secure, and the internet TV industry is still developing.

251. Digital terrestrial television (DTT) will remain a major way for people to access linear television. The Government and Ofcom must ensure the continued provision of free spectrum for PSB output through DTT.
Their bold italics, not mine... ;)

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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36021820)
Oh absolutely i agree with you on that but even Disney don't have bottomless pockets.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/greatsp.../#6bf40d5556b0
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Disney’s Strategy Is Working

Disney+ is here, and it’s already beating expectations. Analysts projected it would take the rest of 2019 – about seven weeks – for the new streaming service to reach 8 million subscribers.

It hit 10 million in one day.

The huge launch for Disney+ reaffirms what I’ve been saying for the past three years. Disney’s unparalleled collection of IP, unique brand, and superior content monetization capabilities give it a significant competitive advantage over Netflix (NFLX) and every other content company. The Walt Disney Company (DIS) is this week’s Long Idea.

It’s All About Franchise IP: Quality Over Quantity

495 scripted TV shows aired in 2018. The average consumer can’t watch that much TV or even attempt to sort through it to figure out what’s best. Anyone who has Netflix or any other streaming service knows the terrible feeling of scrolling through a seemingly endless list of shows and not being sure what to watch.

Research shows that when viewers are faced with so many options, they tend to retreat to the programs with which they’re most familiar. That’s why The Office and Friends consistently rank as the most-watched shows on Netflix, and why the loss of those shows is such a huge blow to the streaming service.

Disney stands to benefit as consumers become more overwhelmed by the amount of content and gravitate towards familiar characters and franchises. No other company can boast the familiarity or the same level of franchise IP. Figure 1 shows that Disney has produced[1] 11 billion dollar films over the past three years, more than double every other studio combined.

Chris 02-01-2020 16:48
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Gosh, how strange to find a website observing that streaming service menus are not, in fact, the cornucopia of utopia, and actually tend to overwhelm consumers. I wonder what sets Forbes.com apart from all the digital marketing blogs we’re accustomed to seeing linked in this thread.

Hugh 02-01-2020 18:42
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They’re not trying to sell something?

1andrew1 02-01-2020 19:02
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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36021815)
Funny considering The Witcher has been the biggest show of the year streamwise.
What does biggest show of the year mean? Netflix's most streamed show in 2019 was Lucifer. https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a...3-reasons-why/

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36021831)
I wonder what sets Forbes.com apart from all the digital marketing blogs we’re accustomed to seeing linked in this thread.
Maybe, just maybe it's written by someone who watches telly and not by someone trying to flog digital snake oil.

pip08456 02-01-2020 19:28
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Who knows what the most streamed show was? As yet the streamers don't publish viewing figures.

jfman 02-01-2020 19:39
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36021842)
Maybe, just maybe it's written by someone who watches telly and not by someone trying to flog digital snake oil.
It could be however, in defence of people who barely watch television, it could be they aren't emotionally attached to one outcome and can objectively comment on the market. ;)

As I've said countless times before there's nothing special about streaming as a technology that exempts it from the same principles as any other manufacturer/service provider/retailer.

More competition = bad news for incumbents. It can drive up supply side costs and down revenues (therefore profits).
Lots of debt relative to competitors = bad news. They can sell an equivalent product to you at lower cost as they don't have to service the debt.
Few assets = bad news. Creditors potentially less likely to tolerate ongoing debt.

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36021845)
Who knows what the most streamed show was? As yet the streamers don't publish viewing figures.
Surely it's Friends, if the 2% figure holds up?

Legendkiller2k 02-01-2020 21:13
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36021842)
What does biggest show of the year mean? Netflix's most streamed show in 2019 was Lucifer. https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a...3-reasons-why/

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Maybe, just maybe it's written by someone who watches telly and not by someone trying to flog digital snake oil.
https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/2/21...ip-competitors
but look at the date i replied to Dens post - it was tounge in cheek haha.

jfman 02-01-2020 22:43
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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36021855)
https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/2/21...ip-competitors
but look at the date i replied to Dens post - it was tounge in cheek haha.
You got me :D

1andrew1 02-01-2020 23:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36021855)
https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/2/21...ip-competitors
but look at the date i replied to Dens post - it was tounge in cheek haha.
Lol, good shout! :D

jfman 03-01-2020 08:43
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Twitter suggests our North American cousins are upset over Friends being taken off Netflix. I wonder if there was any on screen indication that there was a “last chance” window? Someone seems upset to be on Season 6 and now can’t watch it.

Not ideal customer service if, as we know, this is just the beginning.

denphone 03-01-2020 09:02
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36021871)
Twitter suggests our North American cousins are upset over Friends being taken off Netflix. I wonder if there was any on screen indication that there was a “last chance” window? Someone seems upset to be on Season 6 and now can’t watch it.

Not ideal customer service if, as we know, this is just the beginning.
The beginning is always followed by a end.;)

jfman 03-01-2020 18:36
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Couple of interesting articles on Netflix. I'm loathed to use the first one because it uses an online survey for one set of data. However the Bank of America commissioned data is interesting - while Netflix appears to hold up reasonably well, with a diminishing library of known quality content and further streamers ready to enter the market it'd be worrying if the situation repeated itself every time in light of new competition.

https://www.investors.com/news/disne...s-dump-rivals/

And this one:-

https://seekingalpha.com/article/431...ng-real-threat

This article raises the interesting idea that Netflix is already at, or near, it's peak. As I've said before - the pay-tv market (which streaming belongs to) has a reasonably fixed size. The collective pie only gets bigger for everyone if they introduce 'new' customers - where are they coming from? Netflix, Amazon and Now TV have undoubtedly introduced new customers at lower price points.

However once you aggregate three or four streamers you are into Sky/Virgin/BT pricing territory - essentially trying to sell to those who have rejected pay-tv options already.

denphone 06-01-2020 06:04
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Netflix faces crunch year as Disney, Apple and more vie for streaming crown.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...treaming-crown

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Netflix is this year facing its sternest challenge since it embarked on the path to global streaming dominance, with a prediction it could lose 16 million subscribers to cash-rich rivals led by Disney.
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Analysts say Disney +, which launches in the UK and Europe on 31 March, is set to put the global brakes on the relentless growth of Netflix.
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Wedbush points to Disney’s potent combination of crown-jewel content – from the Marvel superhero universe of films and TV spin-offs to Pixar films such as Toy Story 4, family fare such as Frozen 2 and TV series including Scandal and Grey’s Anatomy – and very competitive price. In the US, Disney+ is almost half the cost of Netflix’s most popular tier, $6.99-a-month compared to $12.99, and in the UK it is likely to be several pounds cheaper, at about £5.99, compared with Netflix’s most-popular standard package at £8.99.

ozsat 06-01-2020 07:11
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
The new Dracula series on BBC is in UHD/HLG on iPlayer.

Stephen 06-01-2020 11:10
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
It's great that Disney+ is fairly cheap and also has full 4K UHD content. Where as to get the same content on Netflix is around 12.99 a month.

denphone 06-01-2020 11:19
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36022127)
It's great that Disney+ is fairly cheap and also has full 4K UHD content. Where as to get the same content on Netflix is around 12.99 a month.
You could say its no contest certainly in our household it is..

Legendkiller2k 06-01-2020 11:28
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36022129)
You could say its no contest certainly in our household it is..
Especially if HULU comes to uk too and Disney+ and Hulu do a bundle.

muppetman11 06-01-2020 12:07
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Netflix faces crunch year as Disney, Apple and more vie for streaming crown

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...treaming-crown

Stephen 06-01-2020 13:16
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36022132)
Netflix faces crunch year as Disney, Apple and more vie for streaming crown

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...treaming-crown
That was already posted a few posts up.

jfman 06-01-2020 13:42
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Truly exciting times!

pip08456 06-01-2020 14:05
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Can't see Disney + viing with Apple. Apple doesn't yet have the content to compete. As regards Netflix I said a while ago I expected it to go the way of Blockbuster when the big streamer companies came online.

I'd give Netflix 2 years (baring a miracle).

Stephen 06-01-2020 15:06
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Netflix will have to rethink their packages and pricing to remain value for money with all the competition coming.

muppetman11 06-01-2020 15:10
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36022137)
That was already posted a few posts up.
So it was must have missed that :D

muppetman11 06-01-2020 18:58
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Apple signs exclusive deal with former HBO boss to make movies, TV and documentaries

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/02/appl...d-plepler.html

Mad Max 06-01-2020 19:35
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Jeez, there's an awful lot of Netflix bashing on here.

denphone 06-01-2020 19:37
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36022178)
Jeez, there's an awful lot of Netflix bashing on here.
Its called being realistic MM rather then any bashing.

Mad Max 06-01-2020 19:39
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36022179)
Its called being realistic MM rather then any bashing.
Well, you may well be correct, Den, but I do get the sense of some glee as well.

denphone 06-01-2020 19:54
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36022180)
Well, you may well be correct, Den, but I do get the sense of some glee as well.
No glee here MM.

Stephen 06-01-2020 20:12
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36022178)
Jeez, there's an awful lot of Netflix bashing on here.
I am certainly not bashing Netflix. I am being realistic. I have been a subscriber for 4 years but am fed up of how quickly the price has risen and that other new streamers are much cheaper and include 4k without having 3 tiers.

Mad Max 06-01-2020 20:44
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36022182)
I am certainly not bashing Netflix. I am being realistic. I have been a subscriber for 4 years but am fed up of how quickly the price has risen and that other new streamers are much cheaper and include 4k without having 3 tiers.
Well, you can easily stop your subscription..

jfman 06-01-2020 20:45
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No glee from me either. It's a challenging marketplace, unfortunately as these huge companies compete for market share there's going to be failures along the way. That may not be Netflix - as I think Chris pointed out it's more likely to find it's true value and be snapped up by someone else to buy the customer base.

denphone 06-01-2020 20:45
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36022183)
Well, you can easily stop your subscription..
So you don't think its too dear then MM?.

Legendkiller2k 06-01-2020 20:57
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36022182)
I am certainly not bashing Netflix. I am being realistic. I have been a subscriber for 4 years but am fed up of how quickly the price has risen and that other new streamers are much cheaper and include 4k without having 3 tiers.
These new streamers are cheaper for now, you can be certain their price rises are coming.

---------- Post added at 20:57 ---------- Previous post was at 20:56 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36022185)
So you don't think its too dear then MM?.
Still a lot cheaper than a SKY tv sub or Virgin tv sub.

jfman 06-01-2020 20:58
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36022186)
These new streamers are cheaper for now, you can be certain their price rises are coming.

---------- Post added at 20:57 ---------- Previous post was at 20:56 ----------



Still a lot cheaper than a SKY tv sub or Virgin tv sub.
While true - they aren't genuinely competing with Sky or Virgin though at those price points - they're competing against the increasing number of sub-£10 a month streaming services.

denphone 06-01-2020 21:00
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36022186)

Still a lot cheaper than a SKY tv sub or Virgin tv sub.
Quite a few have one or two streaming add ons on top of their SKY tv sub and Virgin tv subs.

Legendkiller2k 06-01-2020 21:30
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36022189)
Quite a few have one or two streaming add ons on top of their SKY tv sub and Virgin tv subs.
I used to myself before cutting the cord.

---------- Post added at 21:30 ---------- Previous post was at 21:29 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36022188)
While true - they aren't genuinely competing with Sky or Virgin though at those price points - they're competing against the increasing number of sub-£10 a month streaming services.
Very good point.

Stephen 06-01-2020 21:41
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36022183)
Well, you can easily stop your subscription..
Currently I don't plan on cancelling. I like some of the content.

I can stay subscribed and not be happy with the pricing. When I started it was only 5.99 a month. It's not up to 8.99 which is getting silly.

Mad Max 06-01-2020 22:45
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36022185)
So you don't think its too dear then MM?.
I never said it wasn't, Den, I was merely pointing out that if he or anyone else for that matter is unhappy over the price that they pay, then they can stop paying it whenever they want, there's no contract with Netflix.

Chris 06-01-2020 23:01
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36022188)
While true - they aren't genuinely competing with Sky or Virgin though at those price points - they're competing against the increasing number of sub-£10 a month streaming services.
Arguably they’re providing a service to the very viewers who have always resisted multi-channel TV because they never understood what was so intrinsically wonderful about having access to 200 channels when they never intended even to glimpse at 90% of them.

I’m in this category - back in the day I had NTL mostly for the broadband but also because our house never had a terrestrial aerial and it was in the days when it was the easiest way to get access to all the BBC’s digital output; I then had sky because we moved to an area with very poor terrestrial signal and subscribing to a sky dish was the only effective way of getting any tv at all (pre-Freesat). We cancelled our tv subscriptions years ago and these days have Prime Video (though initially that was for Prime parcel delivery benefits rather than tv) and Netflix, because for a household with kids of various ages there is a far higher concentration of watchable programming on that platform. We get far more with two streaming subscriptions than we ever did out of either a Sky or NTL subscription, and at a far lower price.

Mad Max 06-01-2020 23:43
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36022195)
Arguably they’re providing a service to the very viewers who have always resisted multi-channel TV because they never understood what was so intrinsically wonderful about having access to 200 channels when they never intended even to glimpse at 90% of them.

I’m in this category - back in the day I had NTL mostly for the broadband but also because our house never had a terrestrial aerial and it was in the days when it was the easiest way to get access to all the BBC’s digital output; I then had sky because we moved to an area with very poor terrestrial signal and subscribing to a sky dish was the only effective way of getting any tv at all (pre-Freesat). We cancelled our tv subscriptions years ago and these days have Prime Video (though initially that was for Prime parcel delivery benefits rather than tv) and Netflix, because for a household with kids of various ages there is a far higher concentration of watchable programming on that platform. We get far more with two streaming subscriptions than we ever did out of either a Sky or NTL subscription, and at a far lower price.

Excellent point well made.

---------- Post added at 23:43 ---------- Previous post was at 23:11 ----------

Off the subject, slightly, my Now TV sub was due to finish on 14th January this year, I was paying £3.49 per month for the entertainment pass which gives you all the good stuff on Atlantic, I got notification that from 14th January it would then be £8.99, so I decided to go down the cancel route, but, they gave me an offer I couldn't refuse, which is £1.69 per month for the next three months, not bad eh...:)

jfman 06-01-2020 23:45
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36022196)
Excellent point well made.
However the Sky/Virgin subscriber numbers appear to place him in the minority. Far more people have streaming services in addition to Sky/Virgin, myself included, than have abandoned them. This will remain the case until (and I suppose “if”) major sports rights end up on streamers. Which is why I made the point about the real streaming competition between themselves. Either for those who don’t (and have never wanted) Sky/Virgin due to cost or for what services Sky/Virgin customers add on.

denphone 07-01-2020 06:11
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36022196)
Excellent point well made.

---------- Post added at 23:43 ---------- Previous post was at 23:11 ----------

Off the subject, slightly, my Now TV sub was due to finish on 14th January this year, I was paying £3.49 per month for the entertainment pass which gives you all the good stuff on Atlantic, I got notification that from 14th January it would then be £8.99, so I decided to go down the cancel route, but, they gave me an offer I couldn't refuse, which is £1.69 per month for the next three months, not bad eh...:)
That must be the same offer they made to us.:)

Mad Max 07-01-2020 22:08
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36022209)
That must be the same offer they made to us.:)

It's a really good deal, Den...:)

Legendkiller2k 07-01-2020 23:22
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Taken from dspy.

Content budgets in 2020:

Netflix $18.5 billion
Amazon $8.5 billion
Apple TV+ $6 billion
Hulu $4.5 billion
Disney+ $2.5 billion
HBO Max $2 billion
Peacock $1.5 billion
Quibi $1 billion
CBS All Access $1 billion

Chris 07-01-2020 23:27
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
So Disney is leaning very heavily on its back catalogue, Apple is leaning on its brand, Amazon is leaning on its broader Prime member benefits and Netflix is the only one making very serious efforts to build up a library of new, exclusive material. At quite a cost, though.

denphone 08-01-2020 05:34
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36022270)
It's a really good deal, Den...:)
There is no doubt about that as they need us more then we need them MM.

---------- Post added at 05:34 ---------- Previous post was at 05:18 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36022274)
Taken from dspy.

Content budgets in 2020:

Netflix $18.5 billion
Amazon $8.5 billion
Apple TV+ $6 billion
Hulu $4.5 billion
Disney+ $2.5 billion
HBO Max $2 billion
Peacock $1.5 billion
Quibi $1 billion
CBS All Access $1 billion
You could look at that and in terms of monetary budgets being spent its no contest but as the previous market history has told us it does not work out like that sometimes.

Netflix might seem all powerful but the demise of Blockbuster in this sector is a clear reminder on how quickly that the market can change.

Personally and its only my opinion Amazon and Disney are best place going forward and possibly Netflix in the end being bought by Apple which would give them a significant foothold into this market.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/431...sink-this-ship

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/04/jp-m...y-netflix.html

muppetman11 08-01-2020 10:48
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
I'm presuming that is just spending on original content for that particular streaming service as both Disney and Comcast spend huge amounts a year on content certainly a lot more than in that list.

muppetman11 09-01-2020 11:10
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Been impressed with the picture quality of Apple TV+ even if it needs a stable of stronger shows.

Legendkiller2k 09-01-2020 11:33
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36022399)
Been impressed with the picture quality of Apple TV+ even if it needs a stable of stronger shows.
Yes the pic quality is superb i watched SEE and Dickinson fantastic shows.

muppetman11 09-01-2020 11:58
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36022403)
Yes the pic quality is superb i watched SEE and Dickinson fantastic shows.
The Dolby Vision easily rivals if not betters Netflix.

pip08456 09-01-2020 13:48
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36022399)
Been impressed with the picture quality of Apple TV+ even if it needs a stable of stronger shows.
Well MGM may be coming up for sale after the next James Bond so you never know...

Legendkiller2k 09-01-2020 14:10
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36022406)
The Dolby Vision easily rivals if not betters Netflix.
Another thing i like about apple tv+ too is their pay content is seperate from the subscription stuff (i'm looking at you Amazon).
Saw some good news today too Apple tv+ is launching on 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020 LG tvs too very soon.

muppetman11 16-01-2020 11:34
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Comcast to give details today on its Peacock streaming service and an International News Channel.

denphone 16-01-2020 11:47
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36022851)
Comcast to give details today on its Peacock streaming service and an International News Channel.
It will be interesting to see how they price it..

Legendkiller2k 16-01-2020 12:40
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36022851)
Comcast to give details today on its Peacock streaming service and an International News Channel.
We'll be spitting feathers.


I'll get my coat.

pip08456 16-01-2020 13:02
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36022860)
We'll be spitting feathers.


I'll get my coat.
Here, I'll hold it for you.:D

jfman 16-01-2020 19:32
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36022399)
Been impressed with the picture quality of Apple TV+ even if it needs a stable of stronger shows.
Out of curiosity MM what hardware are you using?

muppetman11 16-01-2020 19:44
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36022898)
Out of curiosity MM what hardware are you using?
Apple TV 4K

jfman 16-01-2020 20:05
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36022899)
Apple TV 4K
Thanks. Had a suspicion you’d say that - it’s the platform they’ve most control of end to end delivery using and can optimise for.

muppetman11 16-01-2020 22:41
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36022854)
It will be interesting to see how they price it..
US only no date mentioned for International launch.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/16/nbc-...and-shows.html

pip08456 16-01-2020 23:08
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36022918)
US only no date mentioned for International launch.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/16/nbc-...and-shows.html
I doubt if it will launch until after the Olympics at the earliest.

vincerooney 17-01-2020 19:58
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Another subscription service to come with NBC... History is repeating itself. Its like 2002 almost again then piracy went through the roof as people couldnt be bothered with expensive tv services to get "all the shows they wanted". Netflix arrived and people could pay reasonable amounts to watch more shows.

Now amazon, apple, netflix, NBC, disney all want a piece of the pie....yet they dont understand why thats going to lead to more piracy again because people cant afford everything. Very daft companies managed by people who probably make more in an hour than i do in a year. i could have warned them! greed will probably lead to them earning less in the long run....

Mad Max 17-01-2020 20:41
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36023020)
Another subscription service to come with NBC... History is repeating itself. Its like 2002 almost again then piracy went through the roof as people couldnt be bothered with expensive tv services to get "all the shows they wanted". Netflix arrived and people could pay reasonable amounts to watch more shows.

Now amazon, apple, netflix, NBC, disney all want a piece of the pie....yet they dont understand why thats going to lead to more piracy again because people cant afford everything. Very daft companies managed by people who probably make more in an hour than i do in a year. i could have warned them! greed will probably lead to them earning less in the long run....
Yup, totally agree with that, Vince..

denphone 17-01-2020 20:51
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36023027)
Yup, totally agree with that, Vince..
But , but , but is this not the the cheap world of streaming we were all told repeatedly on this forum was the future for us all.;)

Legendkiller2k 17-01-2020 22:53
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36023031)
But , but , but is this not the the cheap world of streaming we were all told repeatedly on this forum was the future for us all.;)
I saw something on dspy someone worked out the cost of every streaming service in uk would exceed £350p/m.

Chad 18-01-2020 00:08
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36023044)
I saw something on dspy someone worked out the cost of every streaming service in uk would exceed £350p/m.
A universe of content available to watch on demand whenever you like. Only problem is I only have an average of 3 hours per day maximum spare to watch TV. We are facing an over saturation of content. Ultimately if people don't have time to watch the content demand for the ever expanding plethora of streaming services will dwindle.

Raider999 18-01-2020 09:47
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 36023046)
A universe of content available to watch on demand whenever you like. Only problem is I only have an average of 3 hours per day maximum spare to watch TV. We are facing an over saturation of content. Ultimately if people don't have time to watch the content demand for the ever expanding plethora of streaming services will dwindle.
That would be a good result.

muppetman11 18-01-2020 17:16
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Disney culls 'Fox' from 20th Century Fox in rebrand

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51160219

heero_yuy 18-01-2020 17:32
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2020/01/3.jpg

:D

muppetman11 19-01-2020 16:24
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Netflix, Sky Strike Multi-Year U.K. Integration Deal

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/ne...n-deal-1271005

Hugh 19-01-2020 17:23
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
From today's Sunday Times (behind paywall).

Quote:
Wall Street watches for Netflix wobble

Wall Street is on tenterhooks ahead of annual results from Netflix, as the film and TV juggernaut grapples with its biggest challenge since it was launched 13 years ago.

The figures, to be released on Tuesday, are the first since Disney and Apple launched competing offerings in November. NBC Universal’s Peacock, which is due to go live across America in July, will be the new home of The Office, one of Netflix’s most popular shows. NBC splashed out an estimated $500m for the exclusive rights.

HBO Max, another new competitor, launches in May and has also nabbed a key Netflix property — Friends.

With 160m subscribers, the California-based giant is by far the world’s top streaming company. RBC Capital Markets has pencilled in $1.5bn (£1.1bn) of profits on $20bn of sales, up from $1.2bn on $15.6bn last year. Netflix this year netted 24 Academy Award nominations — beating all Hollywood studios for the first time.

Yet the awakening of Hollywood, not to mention the billions of dollars being spent on new shows by tech rivals Apple and Amazon, will pile on pressure. According to a survey carried out by RBC, 11% of subscribers to the new Disney + service said they had cancelled their Netflix membership, while 10% of Apple’s viewers said they had abandoned the service.

Mad Max 20-01-2020 20:01
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36023031)
But , but , but is this not the the cheap world of streaming we were all told repeatedly on this forum was the future for us all.;)

I wasn't on about price, Den, I was thinking more along the lines of the piracy quote from Vince.

denphone 20-01-2020 20:39
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36023158)
From today's Sunday Times (behind paywall).
Where is OB the great sage of all things in the world of streaming when you want him.;)

muppetman11 21-01-2020 12:12
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Disney Plus UK to launch early with new March 24 release date

https://www.techradar.com/news/disne...4-release-date

---------- Post added at 12:12 ---------- Previous post was at 11:03 ----------

So US customers now have Disney + available cheap as well as Apple + with Peacock coming with a free tier.

Kind of makes Netflix look expensive especially when you consider both Disney + and Apple + include UHD HDR.

Legendkiller2k 21-01-2020 12:16
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36023277)
Disney Plus UK to launch early with new March 24 release date

https://www.techradar.com/news/disne...4-release-date

---------- Post added at 12:12 ---------- Previous post was at 11:03 ----------

So US customers now have Disney + available cheap as well as Apple + with Peacock coming with a free tier.

Kind of makes Netflix look expensive especially when you consider both Disney + and Apple + include UHD HDR.
£5.99p/m not too bad tbf.

muppetman11 21-01-2020 12:21
Re: Netflix/Streaming Services
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36023283)
£5.99p/m not too bad tbf.
Exactly comparing in this country £5.99 for Disney + or even cheaper at £59.99 annually including 4K HDR which to get the same with Netflix would cost £11.99 more than double if you pay the annual sub for Disney +.


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