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OLD BOY 04-10-2021 14:14
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You don’t have to tell me there’s no business model for a streaming only service - I’ve been saying it for years.
Yet. But nobody said right now, although Amazon is streaming only of course, but with the smallest package.

1andrew1 04-10-2021 14:28
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Yet. But nobody said right now, although Amazon is streaming only of course, but with the smallest package.
Although for pubs and bars I think they offer a linear channel through BT Sport.

jfman 04-10-2021 14:51
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Yet. But nobody said right now, although Amazon is streaming only of course, but with the smallest package.
Yes the bargain basement rights that the league couldn’t even get their reserve price for. This isn’t reflective of a competitive auction for them.

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Although for pubs and bars I think they offer a linear channel through BT Sport.
As do DAZN in Germany and Italy (not via BT, of course).

Indeed if the complaints in Italy are anything to go by I’m not sure any billion pound organisation is going to bet their reputation on streaming only while charging €30 a month. There’s a backup DTT option in some regions but still many complaints and an emergency summit between the league and DAZN on what they are going to do about it.

The relative buttons it costs to maintain a linear presence looks good value.

OLD BOY 05-10-2021 08:03
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Yes the bargain basement rights that the league couldn’t even get their reserve price for. This isn’t reflective of a competitive auction for them.

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As do DAZN in Germany and Italy (not via BT, of course).

Indeed if the complaints in Italy are anything to go by I’m not sure any billion pound organisation is going to bet their reputation on streaming only while charging €30 a month. There’s a backup DTT option in some regions but still many complaints and an emergency summit between the league and DAZN on what they are going to do about it.

The relative buttons it costs to maintain a linear presence looks good value.
Again, it’s the broadband that is letting them down in Italy.

My advice to any sports provider is to ensure their programming is also available on conventional channels also until such time as the country they are broadcasting to has properly completed their broadband rollout.

jfman 05-10-2021 08:20
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Again, it’s the broadband that is letting them down in Italy.

My advice to any sports provider is to ensure their programming is also available on conventional channels also until such time as the country they are broadcasting to has properly completed their broadband rollout.
The key distribution method not being up to standard is a massive hole in any streaming only future and the immediate business models of anyone going down that route, I’m sure you’d agree.

The reality slow plans for extending FTTP (or equivalent) broadband coverage into very rural areas will always mean there is a market who cannot be catered for by streaming alone. Plus the hundreds of thousands of homes with no broadband at all.

This puts any transition much further away than you present.

1andrew1 05-10-2021 09:28
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This puts any transition much further away than you present.
I suspect that the X in 20X5 for full UK high speed broadband roll-out is liable to be closer to 3 than to 2.

jfman 05-10-2021 09:52
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I suspect that the X in 20X5 for full UK high speed broadband roll-out is liable to be closer to 3 than to 2.
Probably closer to 5 than 2 for the furthest reaches of the country.

OLD BOY 05-10-2021 10:13
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36095892)
The key distribution method not being up to standard is a massive hole in any streaming only future and the immediate business models of anyone going down that route, I’m sure you’d agree.

The reality slow plans for extending FTTP (or equivalent) broadband coverage into very rural areas will always mean there is a market who cannot be catered for by streaming alone. Plus the hundreds of thousands of homes with no broadband at all.

This puts any transition much further away than you present.
What I would agree with is that the key distribution method not being up to standard is a massive hole in the present.

What cannot be said without evidence to justify it is that this problem will not be rectified in the future.

1andrew1 05-10-2021 10:21
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36095908)
What I would agree with is that the key distribution method not being up to standard is a massive hole in the present.

What cannot be said without evidence to justify it is that this problem will not be rectified in the future.
Boot's on t'other foot - one needs to evidence that an existing situation will alter.

OLD BOY 05-10-2021 10:37
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Boot's on t'other foot - one needs to evidence that an existing situation will alter.
Not really. The expectation is that superfast broadband will rollout to the rest of the country. The government's timetable might be a bit out, but the situation will be quite different in a decade.

jfman 05-10-2021 11:06
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Not really. The expectation is that superfast broadband will rollout to the rest of the country. The government's timetable might be a bit out, but the situation will be quite different in a decade.
Will it? The Government have already slipped a 2025 commitment to 2033. And that’s still 12 years away. Then there’s a world of difference between availability of services and uptake of FTTP services.

In extremely rural areas residents are being quoted six figure sums just to get a 10 megabit connection, never mind full fibre.

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...so-quotes.html

buckeye 05-10-2021 13:47
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Does the country really need super or ultra fast broadband to be rolled out before rural areas can experience decent internet?
Everything I read about Starlink from beta testers seem to indicate most if not all area's can expect 100-150 meg download speeds fairly consistently.
Ok that's not VM or FTTP speeds but its comparable to the best speeds most ISP's offer at the moment.
The service at the moment is expensive and from what I've seen is still a bit buggy but it will get cheaper and more reliable once its out of beta and more Satellites are in the sky.

This is just one way a more universal internet coverage will be delivered, One Web will offer something similar and 5G will also cover many more areas soonish.

All of that being said I hope DAZN don't take over BT Sport, BT has imho the best streaming service going, I'm talking technically not content.
It just works, it never buffers even when streaming UHD HDR with Dolby Atmos games, for live sporting events BT Sports streaming infrastructure is second to none.
If DAZN are successful I hope the use BT's infrastructure across their network but I would guess they will cheap out on this.

jfman 05-10-2021 14:03
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Originally Posted by buckeye (Post 36095943)
Does the country really need super or ultra fast broadband to be rolled out before rural areas can experience decent internet?
Everything I read about Starlink from beta testers seem to indicate most if not all area's can expect 100-150 meg download speeds fairly consistently.
Ok that's not VM or FTTP speeds but its comparable to the best speeds most ISP's offer at the moment.
The service at the moment is expensive and from what I've seen is still a bit buggy but it will get cheaper and more reliable once its out of beta and more Satellites are in the sky.

This is just one way a more universal internet coverage will be delivered, One Web will offer something similar and 5G will also cover many more areas soonish.

All of that being said I hope DAZN don't take over BT Sport, BT has imho the best streaming service going, I'm talking technically not content.
It just works, it never buffers even when streaming UHD HDR with Dolby Atmos games, for live sporting events BT Sports streaming infrastructure is second to none.
If DAZN are successful I hope the use BT's infrastructure across their network but I would guess they will cheap out on this.
The whole country needs access before it ceases to be viable for a mixed streaming, satellite, cable presence to coexist. As you point out BT successfully work across streaming, in addition to satellite/cable and their own TV platform.

Chris 05-10-2021 14:06
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There are multiple existing threads for this discussion … can we please keep this one on topic.

OLD BOY 06-10-2021 08:07
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36095921)
Will it? The Government have already slipped a 2025 commitment to 2033. And that’s still 12 years away. Then there’s a world of difference between availability of services and uptake of FTTP services.

In extremely rural areas residents are being quoted six figure sums just to get a 10 megabit connection, never mind full fibre.

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...so-quotes.html
BT plan to complete their rollout by 2026 and Virgin by 2028. As far as remotest communities are concerned, they could all be covered by satellite broadband, but I’m unsure whether there are any plans for that.

The remotest communities didn’t even get hooked up to the electricity until relatively recently, and some may still not have an electricity supply. I don’t see why the absence of broadband in these areas would prevent streaming only services to become widespread, as buckeye said, and so I remain of the view that Premiere League sports will be streamed only before many people think.

The only question is which streaming services will they be? Clearly, Amazon and DAZN are already committed. Disney and Discovery are also hot contenders.


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