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jfman 27-09-2021 20:14
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36094867)
No, it’s just abiding by contractual commitments. The business model is BT’s - DAZN is simply taking over those channels to minimise disruption to existing BT customers and to recognise that these customers are already subscribed on that basis. It is unlikely to stay like that for many years.

Of course the conventional linear side is an add-on as far as DAZN is concerned. Just look at their operations over the other countries where it operates. It is basically a streaming service.

Incidentally, Amazon doesn’t have conventional channels for its football coverage. That is the way it will all be eventually.
If/when they take over BT Sport they will have 1.6 million direct to home subscribers on that platform/Sky, plus wholesale and commercial revenues.

You’re right that isn’t going to change overnight. There is no basis upon which to describe this as “unlikely to stay like that for many years”. Th vast, vast majority of subscribers and viewers will be through the linear service and a small minority from the existing DAZN streaming service. Indeed, DAZN as exists now will may as well cease operating in the UK - the £8 a month service will no longer be viable. BT Sports £25 a month app will be the principal vehicle for streaming content.

1andrew1 27-09-2021 20:51
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Companies like DAZN and SkySports will want to make the most of their sports rights as this is where a lot of their costs are. If they can top and tail them with build-up and analysis, ie relatively cheaper content, then they will do so. Traditional linear broadcasting lends itself to this and encourages people to tune in early and hear the reactions to the result.

OLD BOY 27-09-2021 23:53
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36094874)
If/when they take over BT Sport they will have 1.6 million direct to home subscribers on that platform/Sky, plus wholesale and commercial revenues.

You’re right that isn’t going to change overnight. There is no basis upon which to describe this as “unlikely to stay like that for many years”. Th vast, vast majority of subscribers and viewers will be through the linear service and a small minority from the existing DAZN streaming service. Indeed, DAZN as exists now will may as well cease operating in the UK - the £8 a month service will no longer be viable. BT Sports £25 a month app will be the principal vehicle for streaming content.
Surely you aren’t suggesting that DAZN would still charge £8 a month if they had the Premier League on it? Of course the price would go up. I don’t buy your idea that somehow streamed football provided by different carriers from Sky and BT can’t be made to pay.

As for what happens once the contractual commitments have been met, that’s another question. If the Premier League football is only being streamed in the future, football fans will follow. After all, where else would they get their fix?

jfman 28-09-2021 03:32
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36094929)
Surely you aren’t suggesting that DAZN would still charge £8 a month if they had the Premier League on it? Of course the price would go up. I don’t buy your idea that somehow streamed football provided by different carriers from Sky and BT can’t be made to pay.
Yet no streamer has ever made a substantive bid for rights and DAZN are spending billions to buy a linear channel.

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As for what happens once the contractual commitments have been met, that’s another question. If the Premier League football is only being streamed in the future, football fans will follow. After all, where else would they get their fix?
You’re stuck behind your own blinkers thinking DAZN (or anyone else for that matter) are somehow streaming ideologues and they won’t provide content by whatever mechanism the customers want.

Equally the idea that they are spending billions to buy BT Sport to shut it down once all their contractual obligations are fulfilled it fanciful.

telegramsam 28-09-2021 09:33
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Of course this is still all speculation,isn't it? Do we know that BT want to pull out altogether or are simply looking for a partner? And with Sky maintaining linear sports channels, any streamer would be mad to go down the streaming only option in my opinion. Does anyone know how successful Amazon prime have been streaming premier league games?

1andrew1 28-09-2021 09:52
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Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 36094971)
Of course this is still all speculation,isn't it? Do we know that BT want to pull out altogether or are simply looking for a partner? And with Sky maintaining linear sports channels, any streamer would be mad to go down the streaming only option in my opinion. Does anyone know how successful Amazon prime have been streaming premier league games?
The FT and others have reported a DAZN acquisition of BT Sport is likely so a step-up from speculation.

telegramsam 28-09-2021 10:12
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36094980)
The FT and others have reported a DAZN acquisition of BT Sport is likely so a step-up from speculation.
What I meant was it's not yet a done deal is it?

1andrew1 28-09-2021 10:23
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Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 36094990)
What I meant was it's not yet a done deal is it?
No it's not.

Rillington 28-09-2021 17:37
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and of course the big question for VM customers would be if DAZN would continue to be part of the XL package (or whatever it is called these days )

Itshim 28-09-2021 18:17
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Originally Posted by Rillington (Post 36095052)
and of course the big question for VM customers would be if DAZN would continue to be part of the XL package (or whatever it is called these days )
History is probably a good guide :rolleyes:

telegramsam 28-09-2021 19:51
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Watching build up to Porto v Liverpool and I think some BT staff have already gone home!

cupcakes aka dd 04-10-2021 10:05
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Noticed Sky Sports on VM PQ has degraded lately. Other posts on various forums confirm this so I don’t believe the fault is at my end. Can anyone enlighten me? Football is somewhere between SD and 720 HD. When I start watching Apple TV PQ I realise how bad Sky Sports really is.

OLD BOY 04-10-2021 11:10
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36094943)
Yet no streamer has ever made a substantive bid for rights and DAZN are spending billions to buy a linear channel.
Yes, with streaming rights on it. Once they own the channel, they can transfer everyone to their streamer when the time is right.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36094943)

You’re stuck behind your own blinkers thinking DAZN (or anyone else for that matter) are somehow streaming ideologues and they won’t provide content by whatever mechanism the customers want.

Equally the idea that they are spending billions to buy BT Sport to shut it down once all their contractual obligations are fulfilled it fanciful.
As I keep reminding you, jfman, super-fast broadband has yet to roll out across the country, so by making streaming the only option, DAZN would be losing customers who wanted to see these matches.

Only when the rollout has finished will a changeover to streaming only occur, in my opinion. And viewers would follow the football.

Media Boy UK 04-10-2021 12:37
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36094874)
If/when they take over BT Sport they will have 1.6 million direct to home subscribers on that platform/Sky, plus wholesale and commercial revenues.

You’re right that isn’t going to change overnight. There is no basis upon which to describe this as “unlikely to stay like that for many years”. Th vast, vast majority of subscribers and viewers will be through the linear service and a small minority from the existing DAZN streaming service. Indeed, DAZN as exists now will may as well cease operating in the UK - the £8 a month service will no longer be viable. BT Sports £25 a month app will be the principal vehicle for streaming content.
Hope we get confirm news soon on the DAZN/BT Sport takeover just to see if DAZN broadcast UEFA Women Champions League on the existing BT Sport linear service.

jfman 04-10-2021 13:07
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36095745)
Yes, with streaming rights on it. Once they own the channel, they can transfer everyone to their streamer when the time is right.
As can Sky, or could BT if they stayed in the market. To that end nothing has changed other than DAZN accepting the inevitable that their direct to consumer business model relies upon existing TV platforms and will do for years to come.

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As I keep reminding you, jfman, super-fast broadband has yet to roll out across the country, so by making streaming the only option, DAZN would be losing customers who wanted to see these matches.
You don’t have to tell me there’s no business model for a streaming only service - I’ve been saying it for years.


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