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AlexanderHanff 01-07-2008 17:27
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Some great news :)

https://nodpi.org/2008/07/01/protest...-confirmation/

Alexander Hanff

warescouse 01-07-2008 17:28
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NTLVictim (Post 34588981)
Can people stop quoting that hamster creature? I don't want to read it's attempts to muddy the waters. I've got it on ignore, and I bet I'm not the only one.
Don't even mention the name. Replies to this poster are a wasted effort IMHO.

Privacy_Matters 01-07-2008 17:39
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff (Post 34589016)
That is fantastic news. :D

Deko 01-07-2008 17:42
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
hmmf

Quote:
Originally Posted by HamsterWheel (Post 34589011)
I quote from the article "Some 8% of the total spam received during the experiment was classified as phishing e-mails"
So very relevant.
Hammy, the phishing protection offered by webwise is to prevent you clicking on phishing websites. It will not prevent you getting phishing emails

Now go back and learn what webwise does and does not do.

warescouse 01-07-2008 17:46
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff (Post 34588980)
There is no chance of BT dropping Phorm I fear. For them to do so would be an admission that they were wrong and in my entire life I have never seen BT admit they were wrong about anything.

Alexander Hanff
If a few of their executives end up in jail, they may wish they had!

HamsterWheel 01-07-2008 17:50
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Deko (Post 34589026)

Hammy, the phishing protection offered by webwise is to prevent you clicking on phishing websites. It will not prevent you getting phishing emails

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But it will prevent you from visiting phishing sites. No-one ever lost money by receiving a phishing email. They lose from responding to it.

So Yes, Webwise is a very useful tool and should be welcomed with open arms by the masses who are not that tech-savvy.

I get several quite plausible phishing emails in my Hotmail every day. The Hotmail that I use for registering on sites such as this one. They usually fall into the Junk file, but occasionally one gets through. Of course I'm not daft enough to fall for them, but many are - they generate huge revenues for the Nigerian economy. So there is a real need for Webwise, and the tinkering with privacy is a small price to pay for such a wonderful service.

Peter N 01-07-2008 18:03
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff (Post 34589016)
That's wonderful - thank you.

I won't spoil the surprise - let people read it on nodpi - but it is great news and the lady deserves our respect for this.

Can I suggest that a well presented case-file be handed over to her on the day so that she has all of the relevent info to hand in a logical order.

AlexanderHanff 01-07-2008 18:06
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
I will provide her with a copy of the case file we will be submitting to the City of London Police. She already has my dissertation and has read other papers by Richard Clayton, Nicholas Bohm etc. so she has made a great deal of effort to understand the issue which is to be commended.

Alexander Hanff

TheBruce1 01-07-2008 18:07
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HamsterWheel
But it will prevent you from visiting phishing sites. No-one ever lost money by receiving a phishing email. They lose from responding to it.
Which is already present in Norton, Kaspersky, IE7 and Firefox to name a few, what makes webwise so special, since its database is not its own, can you tell us where webwise will obtain the database from, which company.

Quote:
Originally Posted by HamsterWheel
So Yes, Webwise is a very useful tool and should be welcomed with open arms by the masses who are not that tech-savvy.
There already enough anti-phishing tools around, webwise is nothing special.

Any chance you can answer these question which have been put to you and yet you seem not to answer, how will phorm enhance my privacy and how does phorm dispose of my data, what method is used to completely erase the data beyond recovery.

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Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff (Post 34589016)
Good news indeed, keep up the good work.

Florence 01-07-2008 18:07
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by popper (Post 34588966)
if as you say, these non Deep Packet Inspection ISP installing companys are dodgier, feel free to start another non DPI thread about it , fill it with tech details ,laws broken, etc.

and we can all add it to the list of growing companies practices to also deal with after the Phorm storm.... :angel:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/a.stanf..._10%5b1%5d.gif

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/a.stanf...7_2%5b1%5d.gif everyone the work is coming together just fine sorry to say it looks like we just need to continue making the general public aware of what they will be surrendering in this and hammy this is for you http://homepage.ntlworld.com/a.stanf..._14%5b1%5d.gif you can't win them all hammy below two very relevent quotes to think over.
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After all this is over, all that will really have mattered is how we treated each other.
Thanks to Mike Doherty

Carl W. Buechner
They may forget what you said, but they will never forget how you made them feel.

Peter N 01-07-2008 18:10
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HamsterWheel (Post 34589032)
But it will prevent you from visiting phishing sites. No-one ever lost money by receiving a phishing email. They lose from responding to it.

So Yes, Webwise is a very useful tool and should be welcomed with open arms by the masses who are not that tech-savvy.

I get several quite plausible phishing emails in my Hotmail every day. The Hotmail that I use for registering on sites such as this one. They usually fall into the Junk file, but occasionally one gets through. Of course I'm not daft enough to fall for them, but many are - they generate huge revenues for the Nigerian economy. So there is a real need for Webwise, and the tinkering with privacy is a small price to pay for such a wonderful service.
What are you talking about?

Webwise doesn't involve intercepting or in anyway interacting with webmail or any other form of email traffic so in what way will affect the amont of spam you receive?

Unless, of couse, you know differently and Phorm are planning on intercepting emails despite claiming that they on't and despite the fact the ISPs have said that they can't and despite the fact that this would be totally illegal even under the "advice" given by the ICO.

HamsterWheel 01-07-2008 18:13
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBruce1 (Post 34589047)
Which is already present in Norton, Kaspersky, IE7 and Firefox to name a few, what makes webwise so special, since its database its not its own, can you tell us were webwise will obtain the database from, which company.



There already enough anti-phishing tools around, webwise is nothing special.

Any chance you can answer these question which have been put to you and yet you seem not to answer, how will phorm enhance my privacy and how does phorm dispose of my data, what method is used to completely erase the data beyond recovery.

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Who cares where Webwise get their anti-phisihing list from - as long as it is kept up to date, and the revenue generated by Phorm for the ISPs will mean it will be.

Yes there may be many anti-phishing tools around, but none that come FREE as standard and are subject to such regular updates as Webwise will be.
Many people do not shell out of anti-virus software - it is very expensive, Norton is over £30 a year ! Free Webwise from Phorm will be great for ISP customers who are not willing or able to spend the time and money keeping their PCs secure from attack.

Florence 01-07-2008 18:14
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HamsterWheel (Post 34589032)
But it will prevent you from visiting phishing sites. No-one ever lost money by receiving a phishing email. They lose from responding to it.

So Yes, Webwise is a very useful tool and should be welcomed with open arms by the masses who are not that tech-savvy.

I get several quite plausible phishing emails in my Hotmail every day. The Hotmail that I use for registering on sites such as this one. They usually fall into the Junk file, but occasionally one gets through. Of course I'm not daft enough to fall for them, but many are - they generate huge revenues for the Nigerian economy. So there is a real need for Webwise, and the tinkering with privacy is a small price to pay for such a wonderful service.
The loss of privacy is too much to pay Hammy when will you realise had you set us these servers and offered a paid for option for those less techy to go via you outside the ISP network many might have paid what makes this not acceptable is the fact it will be on the ISP network and not acceptable in any shape, phorm or disguise.

Why not go away sort out your idea work on legal off ISP network resolution and you might have a company otherwise you are flgging a dead horse.

Quote:
Originally Posted by HamsterWheel (Post 34589056)
Who cares where Webwise get their anti-phisihing list from - as long as it is kept up to date, and the revenue generated by Phorm for the ISPs will mean it will be.

Yes there may be many anti-phishing tools around, but none that come FREE as standard and are subject to such regular updates as Webwise will be.
Many people do not shell out of anti-virus software - it is very expensive, Norton is over £30 a year ! Free Webwise from Phorm will be great for ISP customers who are not willing or able to spend the time and money keeping their PCs secure from attack.

None come free even those free ones offered by you are not acceptable the cost to the public you say is free but the loss of privacy is beyond value in currancy our privacy is not for sale and no ISP should ever consider selling it since they do n ot own it.


Hammy Nortons is the worst AV you can get I use nod32 and there are many good AV out there that are paid for companies but free to home users so that blows that out of the water aswell and 90% better than nortons which is resource greedy.

HamsterWheel 01-07-2008 18:15
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter N (Post 34589053)
What are you talking about?

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Thought I'd spelt it out pretty clearly, but here we go again for you.

Course Webwise won't stop phising spam email, but it WILL stop you going on the phishing sites and giving away all your security data. Which is the point of it !

Maggy 01-07-2008 18:16
Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HamsterWheel (Post 34589056)
Who cares where Webwise get their anti-phisihing list from - as long as it is kept up to date, and the revenue generated by Phorm for the ISPs will mean it will be.

Yes there may be many anti-phishing tools around, but none that come FREE as standard and are subject to such regular updates as Webwise will be.
Many people do not shell out of anti-virus software - it is very expensive, Norton is over £30 a year ! Free Webwise from Phorm will be great for ISP customers who are not willing or able to spend the time and money keeping their PCs secure from attack.
Well I choose to buy..free is not necessarily best.;) And I can avoid phishing sites on my own.


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