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Carth 09-07-2020 15:22
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36042988)

"Thought" as in imagined or falsely claimed. It means certain groups can bully people, if they choose to.
+1

It's usually the 'allegation' that causes the problem, even if you're totally innocent you end up guilty by proxy . . . no smoke without fire etc

nomadking 09-07-2020 15:27
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36042979)
Football's a tough environment with coin-throwing, abusive shouting and previously, banana-throwing. And racist chants are rife in some countries still.
But I'm sure you're not suggesting that black players get an easy ride but white players are expected to just grin and bear it?
Their complaints are taken on board, but White players have to put up with the taunts, and don't really have any avenue to pursue. The reason for the taunts is the SAME. That being so, then both sets should be treated the SAME. That is equality. Do the White players try to get fans or even whole clubs banned? Of course not. In my example, did Howard Gayle try to get the fans banned? No, he recognised it for what it was, ie taunts to try and put him off. If there had been something that could've been aimed at a White player as a taunt, then it would've been.

pip08456 09-07-2020 15:59
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36042975)
I've explained that it's not binary and you would have to examine the context. For example, if a record producer sang it the singer to emphasise a different way of singing a verse, then that would not be offensive. However, if a known white racist sang it then that would likely be offensive. It's about empathy and putting yourself in another's shoes - not looking for a binary answer to nuanced issues.
How about this then? Apparently it was wrong because "No, it was made to be sung by Carmen Twillie and Lebo M. and an African choir."

1andrew1 09-07-2020 16:51
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36042995)
How about this then? Apparently it was wrong because "No, it was made to be sung by Carmen Twillie and Lebo M. and an African choir."
My answer remains - it's about empathy and putting yourself in another's shoes - not looking for a binary answer to nuanced issues.

nomadking 09-07-2020 17:24
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36043003)
My answer remains - it's about empathy and putting yourself in another's shoes - not looking for a binary answer to nuanced issues.
So we have to all bow or kneel down to their every whim and demand, no matter matter how frivolous or ridiculous? That is what it amounts to.
Do White people have to stop walking etc in the countryside, because BAME bullies claim they are somehow excluded?

1andrew1 09-07-2020 17:49
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36043006)
So we have to all bow or kneel down to their every whim and demand, no matter matter how frivolous or ridiculous? That is what it amounts to.
Do White people have to stop walking etc in the countryside, because BAME bullies claim they are somehow excluded?
You're going off-piste into the world of strawmen. I've not said this. I've given you the basic principles to apply as has Hugh.

Sephiroth 09-07-2020 17:55
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36043007)
You're going off-piste into the world of strawmen. I've not said this. I've given you the basic principles to apply as has Hugh.
You could do better than pray Hugh in aid. Nomad's logic is a reasonable since your call for empathy, if implemented, would lead to people thinking twice about doing anything in case the BAME feel inhibited.

1andrew1 09-07-2020 18:21
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36043008)
You could do better than pray Hugh in aid. Nomad's logic is a reasonable since your call for empathy, if implemented, would lead to people thinking twice about doing anything in case the BAME feel inhibited.
Citing previous posts is common sense and saves reinventing the wheel and boring the poor thread-followers.
Going to the countryside - if you can't see this as an out and out strawman then there's little I can realistically do to help.

Sephiroth 09-07-2020 18:37
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36043009)
Citing previous posts is common sense and saves reinventing the wheel and boring the poor thread-followers.
Going to the countryside - if you can't see this as an out and out strawman then there's little I can realistically do to help.
One could accuse nearly everyone for putting up a straw man, including you:

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I've explained that it's not binary and you would have to examine the context. For example, if a record producer sang it the singer to emphasise a different way of singing a verse, then that would not be offensive. However, if a known white racist sang it then that would likely be offensive. It's about empathy and putting yourself in another's shoes - not looking for a binary answer to nuanced issues.
There's no difference between "for example" and "straw man" when arguing.

Hugh 09-07-2020 18:41
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36042995)
How about this then? Apparently it was wrong because "No, it was made to be sung by Carmen Twillie and Lebo M. and an African choir."
A small number of idiots making extreme remarks about this do not reflect mainstream reality, is just like the EDL and the BNP do not reflect how we in the UK think - it’s just a straw man argument.

ianch99 09-07-2020 18:49
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36042934)
oooohh that hurts ooohh I'm triggered now ooooh I'm going to . . .
:scratch: oh hang on a minute, you probably own a Mercedes don't you, come on admit it . . does it cause you issues? . . . is it a black one? :D ;) :Peaceman:
Nah, I own a Skoda .. with tinted rear windows :)

Paul 09-07-2020 18:49
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36043013)
.... it’s just a straw man argument.
Ah, your standard answer to anything it seems.

Carth 09-07-2020 18:53
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36043014)
Nah, I own a Skoda .. with tinted rear windows :)
:D
I always wanted (still fancy) the Skoda Superb, could never find one I could afford :(

Maggy 09-07-2020 18:53
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
I give up trying to get any sense from anyone in this thread.

I'll be back if any moderating needs doing. Otherwise I'm out of here.

pip08456 09-07-2020 19:00
Re: Black Lives Matter
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36043015)
Ah, your standard answer to anything it seems.
You beat me to it Paul.;)


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