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OLD BOY 19-06-2019 14:59
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35999585)
So first you say Sky ain't putting enough money towards content and when they double their resources towards more content you still grumble.

It seems you are still reading the same old book with the same old chapter in it...
I merely said that it was not sufficient.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35999601)
Ah the straw man again. Why would Disney keep its content on Sky? I didn’t say that it would. My point, as ever, is that Comcast are well placed to adapt.

Sky has access to Comcast content, what’s to make you think if Sky in the UK are “doubling” investment the same isn’t replicated elsewhere?

I like that Sky have to demonstrate quality and quantity but streamers do not, they obviously automatically do by virtue of their distribution method. :confused:
You've only got to compare the content to see that what I have said is true.

What's this constant 'straw man' refrain? I'm glad that you have finally acknowledged that Sky may well have to give up some of its content to the streamers. This could affect whole channels. But doubling the Sky programme budget, while welcome, is unlikely to make up the deficiency.

If Comcast were to do the same, then yes, that would make a big difference. But they have not said that they would, so there's an assumption you have made.

Media Boy UK 19-06-2019 15:06
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35999460)
I don’t know how you conclude the fact May has come and gone as irrelevant, it suggests (if a deal isn’t concluded) that there’s the possibility of something snagging. Like a valuation of key content, like Sky Atlantic for example.
I really don't think Sky deal with Virgin Media is up this summer. I really think Sky did sign an new deal two years when Sky Sports launch two new sports (Sky Sports Football and Sky Sports Action) channels.

I think the deal may be up in 2020 to 2022.

I will carry on thinking this way until I see any new Sky Channels testing on Digital Bit Rate.

DBR says Virgin Media has got four streams free right now due to MPEG4 (And we think it will be up to six as early as next week,)

denphone 19-06-2019 15:30
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
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Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35999624)
I really don't think Sky deal with Virgin Media is up this summer. I really think Sky did sign an new deal two years when Sky Sports launch two new sports (Sky Sports Football and Sky Sports Action) channels.

I think the deal may be up in 2020 to 2022.

I will carry on thinking this way until I see any new Sky Channels testing on Digital Bit Rate.

DBR says Virgin Media has got four streams free right now due to MPEG4 (And we think it will be up to six as early as next week,)
There you go OB you might believe others now...

cheekyangus 19-06-2019 15:45
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
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Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35999624)
I really don't think Sky deal with Virgin Media is up this summer. I really think Sky did sign an new deal two years when Sky Sports launch two new sports (Sky Sports Football and Sky Sports Action) channels.

I think the deal may be up in 2020 to 2022.

I will carry on thinking this way until I see any new Sky Channels testing on Digital Bit Rate.

DBR says Virgin Media has got four streams free right now due to MPEG4 (And we think it will be up to six as early as next week,)
Though I think that is logical thinking, I think what is happening, or rather not happening, regarding the Sky Cinema channels may indicate something on the horizon, even if it's not for Sky Basics.

What am I on about? Well, it's rather odd that all the Sky Cinema SD channels are all on the same multiplex/frequency and haven't been part of the MPEG4 switching, yet the Sky Sports SD channels, with one exception (and I'm not counting Red Button), are all switched over to MPEG4 and scattered all over the multiplexes. The one Sky Sports SD exception is of course Sky Sports Racing, and it was moved onto the same multiplex/frequency as the SD Cinema channels a month or two ago.

To me this is likely to mean one thing, Sky Cinema is going HD Only on VM and so is Sky Sports Racing, so Virgin Media don't see any point in switching their SD channels to MPEG4 if they are going to be switched off soon.

Media Boy UK 19-06-2019 16:36
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Am I still right in thinking you still need to pay extra for Sky Sports HD Channels?

Dave42 19-06-2019 16:38
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
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Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35999642)
Am I still right in thinking you still need to pay extra for Sky Sports HD Channels?
yes MB

Media Boy UK 19-06-2019 16:39
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Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 35999635)
Though I think that is logical thinking, I think what is happening, or rather not happening, regarding the Sky Cinema channels may indicate something on the horizon, even if it's not for Sky Basics.

What am I on about? Well, it's rather odd that all the Sky Cinema SD channels are all on the same multiplex/frequency and haven't been part of the MPEG4 switching, yet the Sky Sports SD channels, with one exception (and I'm not counting Red Button), are all switched over to MPEG4 and scattered all over the multiplexes. The one Sky Sports SD exception is of course Sky Sports Racing, and it was moved onto the same multiplex/frequency as the SD Cinema channels a month or two ago.

To me this is likely to mean one thing, Sky Cinema is going HD Only on VM and so is Sky Sports Racing, so Virgin Media don't see any point in switching their SD channels to MPEG4 if they are going to be switched off soon.
We think Virgin Media will move the rest of the channels to MPEG within the next THREE weeks.

With the next update happen on Monday.

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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35999643)
yes MB
I was really asking about Astra UK.

jfman 19-06-2019 16:57
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35999621)
I merely said that it was not sufficient.

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You've only got to compare the content to see that what I have said is true.

What's this constant 'straw man' refrain? I'm glad that you have finally acknowledged that Sky may well have to give up some of its content to the streamers. This could affect whole channels. But doubling the Sky programme budget, while welcome, is unlikely to make up the deficiency.

If Comcast were to do the same, then yes, that would make a big difference. But they have not said that they would, so there's an assumption you have made.
The constant straw man refrain if you continue to argue a point that I didn’t actually make because it’s easier to argue against than the one I did.

I have to laugh at you criticising me for making assumptions - your entire argument is subjective up to and including the quality of content on streaming services.

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Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 35999642)
Am I still right in thinking you still need to pay extra for Sky Sports HD Channels?
Not on Sky, they raised the price and removed the add on.

muppetman11 19-06-2019 17:05
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35999621)
I'm glad that you have finally acknowledged that Sky may well have to give up some of its content to the streamers. This could affect whole channels. But doubling the Sky programme budget, while welcome, is unlikely to make up the deficiency.

If Comcast were to do the same, then yes, that would make a big difference. But they have not said that they would, so there's an assumption you have made.
It may have to give up third party content not its own , what is it with you and the streamers it sounds like some cult hippy movement.:D

Don't forget Sky is a streamer also.

OLD BOY 19-06-2019 17:56
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35999646)
The constant straw man refrain if you continue to argue a point that I didn’t actually make because it’s easier to argue against than the one I did.

I have to laugh at you criticising me for making assumptions - your entire argument is subjective up to and including the quality of content on streaming services.[COLOR="Silver"]
My reference to the Disney issue was in answer to your point, to demonstrate that what I am saying is true.

It's a pity that you couldn't make that connection.

My arguments are based on what I have seen reported and what anyone could naturally conclude from that, but it is a matter for discussion. Your constant protestations that everything that is posted is wrong never seems to be backed up with links to assist people to believe that you may have a point.

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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35999651)
It may have to give up third party content not its own , what is it with you and the streamers it sounds like some cult hippy movement.:D

Don't forget Sky is a streamer also.
Well, isn't that what I have been saying all along?

muppetman11 19-06-2019 18:17
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No hence the part of the quote in bold

The point we made was should that happen it will just invest the money saved which would be a tidy sum into its own content.

Don't forget the removal of third party content will impact all the streamers also.;)

Disney's ownership of Hulu could see vast amounts of third party content removed in the future as will the likes of Netflix and Amazon.

jfman 19-06-2019 18:21
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35999657)
My reference to the Disney issue was in answer to your point, to demonstrate that what I am saying is true.

It's a pity that you couldn't make that connection.

My arguments are based on what I have seen reported and what anyone could naturally conclude from that, but it is a matter for discussion. Your constant protestations that everything that is posted is wrong never seems to be backed up with links to assist people to believe that you may have a point.

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Well, isn't that what I have been saying all along?
I don’t need to back up my analysis with opinion pieces from digital marketing companies. I don’t agree “anyone” could naturally reach the same conclusions at all. In fact, I think most unbiased observers would agree with me that Sky/Comcast as an incumbent in many markets will be well placed to adapt to the future whatever it holds.

OLD BOY 19-06-2019 18:55
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35999664)
No hence the part of the quote in bold

The point we made was should that happen it will just invest the money saved which would be a tidy sum into its own content.

Don't forget the removal of third party content will impact all the streamers also.;)

Disney's ownership of Hulu could see vast amounts of third party content removed in the future as will the likes of Netflix and Amazon.
But I agree with the bit in bold! I am not arguing against that.

Nor am I arguing against your point that Sky would have to invest in its own programming faced with the loss of third party content.

I myself have pointed out that Netflix will lose its Disney content.

So we agree on all points, then. So why are we arguing?::Peace:

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35999665)
I don’t need to back up my analysis with opinion pieces from digital marketing companies. I don’t agree “anyone” could naturally reach the same conclusions at all. In fact, I think most unbiased observers would agree with me that Sky/Comcast as an incumbent in many markets will be well placed to adapt to the future whatever it holds.
Good luck with that, then.

jfman 19-06-2019 19:16
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
I fail to see what benefit "luck" would be to me. I've got economics on my side and you have speculation on yours.

OLD BOY 19-06-2019 19:28
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35999673)
I fail to see what benefit "luck" would be to me. I've got economics on my side and you have speculation on yours.
The economics of my arguments are perfectly sound, jfman.


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