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Chris 26-08-2018 21:05
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You have been watching too much Harry Potter methinks Heero.:D
It’s entirely possible to understand a reference to Vidkun Quisling without ever having seen (or read) Harry Potter. ;)

Sephiroth 26-08-2018 21:14
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It’s entirely possible to understand a reference to Vidkun Quisling without ever having seen (or read) Harry Potter. ;)
Now, if you transpose that to Junker/Selmayr (the Brussels unmentionables) then that might put Hammond/May into an unsavoury perspective.

Hom3r 26-08-2018 21:57
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I have never hidden my contempt for the remain side ,but the thread rules stop me from expressing my true feelings :)

That's what I use FaceBook for.

I have several members here whom I have on Facebook.

I recently unfriended and blocked a member her over brexit when he turned it personal.

1andrew1 27-08-2018 01:02
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Interesting as its origins may be, it's a bit disappointing to see such language in this thread given the instructions in the first post.

Mr K 27-08-2018 11:03
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Quisling/traitor etc expect a lot more of that when it goes pear shaped. Somebody must take the blame, as it will never be down to the Brexiteers ! It'll be the Govt, Remainers, Corbyn, May Junker etc. , but they need to look in the mirror more ....

Sephiroth 27-08-2018 11:16
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Quisling/traitor etc expect a lot more of that when it goes pear shaped. Somebody must take the blame, as it will never be down to the Brexiteers ! It'll be the Govt, Remainers, Corbyn, May Junker etc. , but they need to look in the mirror more ....
Interesting observation. The Referendum directed the guvmin to leave the EU. But the vote was made without full facts - probably as much in emotion rather than solid basis as to consequences.


The EU was always going to make it as difficult as possible for us and that should have been the starting point for guvmin's planning 2 years ago.

Unless they always intended this chaos so that we remain in the EU, the sheer incompetence of guvmin and the political class in general to keep to a sensible path requires some kind of retribution.

In these circumstances, it might not be a bad idea to remain in the EU and keep fighting our corner. We should only leave if we can leverage gain or no long term detriment.

Mr K 27-08-2018 11:26
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tbh honest, although I'm no defender of them, the govt. might not be to blame (apart from Cameron, who only had the vote to try and save his job).

It might just be as simple as Brexit is a crap idea, and you can't polish a turd. Yes people voted for it, but for all the wrong reasons e.g. Immigration, some false sense of being patriotic.... People will vote for any change or blame anything if they're unhappy with their lot or want to stick to the establishment/govt. of the day. Unfortunately most of them are going to be much worse off as a result.

Sephiroth 27-08-2018 12:32
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tbh honest, although I'm no defender of them, the govt. might not be to blame (apart from Cameron, who only had the vote to try and save his job).

It might just be as simple as Brexit is a crap idea, and you can't polish a turd. Yes people voted for it, but for all the wrong reasons e.g. Immigration, some false sense of being patriotic.... People will vote for any change or blame anything if they're unhappy with their lot or want to stick to the establishment/govt. of the day. Unfortunately most of them are going to be much worse off as a result.
One of the many turds you can’t polish is the EU. Hence the referendum result. I thinkthat immigration was a major issue for some of the “unwashed” if I might call them that. I never had a problem with free movement of Labour; I did/do have a problem with successive guvmins not putting infrastructure in to service the increase in population, their children and grandchildren. This is the big failing of all recent guvmins.

That incompetence and short term political thinking is what is doing us over now.

1andrew1 27-08-2018 12:52
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tbh honest, although I'm no defender of them, the govt. might not be to blame (apart from Cameron, who only had the vote to try and save his job).

It might just be as simple as Brexit is a crap idea, and you can't polish a turd. Yes people voted for it, but for all the wrong reasons e.g. Immigration, some false sense of being patriotic.... People will vote for any change or blame anything if they're unhappy with their lot or want to stick to the establishment/govt. of the day. Unfortunately most of them are going to be much worse off as a result.
Spot on. Farage has returned to put some lipstick on the pig but the public are now more aware of what a no-deal Brexit looks like and I predict he won't have such an easy ride.

Sephiroth 27-08-2018 13:16
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.... which brings us back to the possible fudge; because neither side benefits from a cliff-edge no deal.

papa smurf 27-08-2018 13:55
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"Lipstick on pig" ,"cliff edge","fudge" ,"crap idea".

sounds like the remain camp are having another bad day ;)

Hugh 27-08-2018 14:28
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"Lipstick on pig" ,"cliff edge","fudge" ,"crap idea".

sounds like the remain camp are having another bad day ;)
Unfortunately, if it goes adversely, it affects everyone in the UK - schadenfruede doesn't work if you are also affected negatively...

Sephiroth 27-08-2018 15:13
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"Lipstick on pig" ,"cliff edge","fudge" ,"crap idea".

sounds like the remain camp are having another bad day ;)
If you included me in your remark, I'm not in the Remain camp. I'm a bitterly disillusioned Leaver taking in a strong potion of realism.

Chloé Palmas 27-08-2018 17:14
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"Lipstick on pig"
Lipstick on a pig has been used more by US conservatives as of late, in regards to referring to government spending / waste etc. In fact, looking back at who commonly uses the phrase in the last decade, it has been the likes of Sarah Palin, Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney etc. It is used a lot more by the right, to ridicule the left. :)

1andrew1 27-08-2018 17:39
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If you included me in your remark, I'm not in the Remain camp. I'm a bitterly disillusioned Leaver taking in a strong potion of realism.
I know a couple of people like you Seph.


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