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As usual it’s a hard line remainers paradise to stop and use the NI issue as a scapegoat to stop Brexit. Brexit will happen as it should, so we can be finally rid of the EU once and for all and we can then cook our chips to the colour we damn well like. ;)

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You need an answer to the question of the Irish border. We can't say 'no deal is better than a bad deal' and leave it at that. Something needs to happen at the border.

A border between Northern Ireland and Ireland is unacceptable to half of N.Ireland, Ireland and causes trouble with the Good Friday Agreement.

A border between the island of Ireland and Great Britain is unacceptable to the other half of Northern Island, Brexiters and the DUP.

No border is pretty much unwelcome across all sides and poses questions about customs checks and border controls. Personally I favour this arrangement anyway but it would mean some concessions from Brexiters about how we manage that.

So what is the answer? There comes a point in every topic to do with Brexit where 'No' is no longer going to work.

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Maybe for some but certainly not me as my bone of contention is the sheer incompetence of HMS and nothing l have seen or heard since has changed that view as today was just another example of it sadly.

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Indeed it should happen but don't think everything is going to be nice and rosy in the garden and that it will cure many of our ills because it won't sadly.

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Until Brexiters raise their game and solve the Irish border issue, Brexit can't happen. Pretending that it's not an issue and that no deal is better than a bad deal won't make it go away.

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Ok ... you said:

No mention of any "four people who were mugged by Unskilled Romanian nationals about 200 yards from my own front door"

Of course, I am supposed to infer this.

You then, crudely, extrapolated the dodgy Romanians in your street to apply to the nation as a whole and yes, the line:

is exactly what you would find in the Daily Mail

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Well you know more than me as to what’s in the Daily Mail as I don’t read it! :rolleyes:

And don’t ever accuse me of lying again. (If I suspect correctly what you’re trying to do) :dozey:

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Hence why I said hardline remainer Den. You do know the difference yeah?

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l know the difference as l might be stupid but l am not that stupid.:)

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So why the need for you to bold my remark when it does not apply to you?

You’re a remainer but one accepting of the Democratic result. Thus, not a hardline remainer, and just want this PM and her government to get on with it and stop messing about.

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Brexit affects us all does it not? and as such everybody is entitled to their opinion on the most important event to affect this country since the end of the second world war.

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Doesn't always have to be 'them and us', 'losers and winners', everyone who isn't on the 'right side' must suffer or be ridiculed. Brexit is making this country more divided than ever, at some point this country needs to move forward together. Language like you come out with doesn't give me much hope. This isn't Trump's America yet, but we may be going that way, which I'd guess you'd like !

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The problem is the PM has become so weakened since the general election hence everybody else knows that thus she has not got many bargaining chips to play with.

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Brexit is more than just severing ties and pulling up the drawbridge, it's about what takes it's place too. Northern Ireland is an example of that. You need a solution to it and whilst there are plenty ready to criticise May for her attempts to solve these problems there are fewer people with answers themselves.

The 'messing about' is the part where it turns out this is not an easy process. Maybe if some in the Vote Leave campaign who were all too ready to tell us how easy the trade deal would be and that Northern Ireland wouldn't be a problem could now step forward with what they had in mind then we could get on with it.

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Exactly, I think Rees-Mogg, BoJo and pals are quite happy to sit back in their country houses whilst Theresa May takes part in an impossible version of getting the fox and chicken across to the other side of the river.
Like you, I would like to hear some solutions from Brexiters to this dilemma. We're not telling a couple of teenagers on the shop floor to stop messing around and stack those bog rolls on the shelves! I genuinely see Theresa May doing her best to make Brexit happen.

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Yes but it's OK because he's right and the majority were wrong because they were confused, deluded, xenophobic bigots. He knows this.

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So what's the solution to the Irish border then? No solution, no Brexit. It's not harder than that.