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1andrew1 01-04-2017 21:46
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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35892846)

To think that's an issue that solely falls on Trump though, in my view half of the modern world is built upon those same practices. But if we go there, we'll end up in power mongering and greed debates.

All in all, we have to make debate with what we have but I and I assume others still think neither Clinton or Trump should've got that far, so something is broken and that something that is broken is a bigger issue than the current media circus. If we all suddenly went UKIP next election there'd be a reason why we did it.
We're discussing Trump so I reckon the nepotism question is relevant.
I just don't see a good reason from a risk-benefit perspective for Trump to employ his daughter. She doesn't need the money and he must have lots of loyal and capable employees from his companies who would happily serve him in his presidential role. If she's not being paid though, then I can't see any problem with it.
In contrast, I can see how in France a poorer Francois Fillon might feel that employing his wife helps the family coffers, despite the potential reputational risks.

Arthurgray50@blu 01-04-2017 23:10
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Remember Trump likes to get his own way. He has the USA has his toy. He likes to win.

Sadly, Judges in America overrule him. Trump knows about money. I will give him another six months.

pip08456 01-04-2017 23:13
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35892848)
We're discussing Trump so I reckon the nepotism question is relevant.
I just don't see a good reason from a risk-benefit perspective for Trump to employ his daughter. She doesn't need the money and he must have lots of loyal and capable employees from his companies who would happily serve him in his presidential role. If she's not being paid though, then I can't see any problem with it.
In contrast, I can see how in France a poorer Francois Fillon might feel that employing his wife helps the family coffers, despite the potential reputational risks.
Hardly nepotism as she's unpaid.

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Ivanka Trump is taking an official but unpaid role as a special assistant to her father, the White House has confirmed.
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Hugh 01-04-2017 23:21
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35892859)
Hardly nepotism as she's unpaid.



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Nepotism isn't about pay,. It's about power and influence, favouring family and friends.

Osem 01-04-2017 23:34
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What you mean like the Clinton, Bush and Kennedy clans?
;)

1andrew1 01-04-2017 23:54
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35892859)
Hardly nepotism as she's unpaid.

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Although it's still nepotism, I have stated that I don't have a problem with it if she's unpaid.

ianch99 02-04-2017 00:12
Re: U.S President: Donald Trump
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35892848)
We're discussing Trump so I reckon the nepotism question is relevant.
I just don't see a good reason from a risk-benefit perspective for Trump to employ his daughter. She doesn't need the money and he must have lots of loyal and capable employees from his companies who would happily serve him in his presidential role. If she's not being paid though, then I can't see any problem with it.
In contrast, I can see how in France a poorer Francois Fillon might feel that employing his wife helps the family coffers, despite the potential reputational risks.
I have to disagree with you here. What a White House staffer gets paid is peanuts compared to her personal wealth or indeed the wealth of most families who occupy the White House.

She has the position because she is his daughter .. and that's nepotism.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35892865)
Although it's still nepotism, I have stated that I don't have a problem with it if she's unpaid.
This I do not understand. What has pay got to do with it? The pay would be an irrelevance to her ..

1andrew1 02-04-2017 00:16
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35892867)
I have to disagree with you here. What a White House staffer gets paid is peanuts compared to her personal wealth or indeed the wealth of most families who occupy the White House.

She has the position because she is his daughter .. and that's nepotism.

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This I do not understand. What has pay got to do with it? The pay would be an irrelevance to her ..
First off - yes, I agree it's nepotism. I don't have a problem with Trump having her as an adviser. He should absolutely have a range of advisers from different, complementary backgrounds and skills. It's a highly stressful job being a US President and having an adviser in the family may be useful.

Kursk 02-04-2017 02:02
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35892869)
First off - yes, I agree it's nepotism. I don't have a problem with Trump having her as an adviser. He should absolutely have a range of advisers from different, complementary backgrounds and skills. It's a highly stressful job being a US President and having an adviser in the family may be useful.
I agree. She's a bilingual, successful, business woman with an economics degree and strong leadership skills and family members all take a role in supporting each other anyway.

And she's very easy on the eye which is qualification enough in my book :p:

martyh 02-04-2017 07:56
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35892869)
First off - yes, I agree it's nepotism. I don't have a problem with Trump having her as an adviser. He should absolutely have a range of advisers from different, complementary backgrounds and skills. It's a highly stressful job being a US President and having an adviser in the family may be useful.
The problem is that not only is it blatant nepotism but Ivanka is one of the children running Trumps Business empire along with the other 2 who are on his transition team advising Trump who to put into positions of power and of course she is married to Jared Kushner who is also on the white house staff.The fact that she is not getting paid is irrelevant ,she has access to all sorts of sensitive information and she sits in on meetings with high profile leaders and daddy has put her in the perfect position to further not only her own career but his own fortunes.Add to that the fact that Trump sold himself as a leader different to all the 'Clintons' of the world he has shown himself time and time again to be no different ,probably worse than them ,basically he's made complete mugs of half of America

Mick 02-04-2017 09:18
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35892873)
The problem is that not only is it blatant nepotism but Ivanka is one of the children running Trumps Business empire along with the other 2 who are on his transition team advising Trump who to put into positions of power and of course she is married to Jared Kushner who is also on the white house staff.The fact that she is not getting paid is irrelevant ,she has access to all sorts of sensitive information and she sits in on meetings with high profile leaders and daddy has put her in the perfect position to further not only her own career but his own fortunes.Add to that the fact that Trump sold himself as a leader different to all the 'Clintons' of the world he has shown himself time and time again to be no different ,probably worse than them ,basically he's made complete mugs of half of America
Why is it irrelevant ? Can you provide valid reasons this time without the one sided, negative, less than factual crap ?

martyh 02-04-2017 16:19
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35892879)
Why is it irrelevant ? Can you provide valid reasons this time without the one sided, negative, less than factual crap ?
i have given valid reasons if you bothered to read ,if you disagree and think nepotism is a good thing for trump then how about you post some valid reasons to justify it instead of the dismissive rubbish you usually post

Paul 02-04-2017 17:31
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How about you both stop acting like children.

Mick 02-04-2017 17:44
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35892944)
i have given valid reasons
Where ?

Mr K 03-04-2017 13:10
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39475178
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US President Donald Trump has said the United States will "solve" the nuclear threat from North Korea, with or without China's help.
Super, that's all we need. Its worrying that a conflict might be the only way to deflect from Donald's problems... A tried and tested strategy by many a struggling world leader.

(ps. where have 'the children' gone, it's no fun anylonger ;) )


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