Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Dug & Commented

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Ditto.

Icsys - if you have written or sent a reply to Shriti please could you PM a copy (I will make a few amends to be sure she knows it is a different letter etc)

I am flying back to England in the next 24 hours and would like to get a letter off before I head away again shortly after (not normally such a jet setter but holidays and work demand it right now :) )

Thanks

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I just wanted to post a copy of a reply I got on the BT forum as it applies as much here as it does over there. I took the liberty of replying to the poster on behalf of the BT forum and CableForum members.

Hello Peter,

I just thought I'd let you know that I am one of those hundreds/thousands of people, who don't join in this discussion. However, I started reading this thread way back when, signed the Petition when there were only 4000 names on it, plus told everyone I know to sign it too ...... which they did.

I check in everyday to read the latest news, although I don't understand all the techie stuff, being a female of the species!

My thanks to you and all the others who are fighting actively, on behalf of the others like me!

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I have just been in touch with City of London Police and no protest permit is required. They knew about the protest already and were very pleasant on the phone and don't seem to have any concerns. I will be discussing it with them more in the next day or so and will be in London next week some time to have a meeting with them.

Thanks to Serial who has had a meeting with Barbican Security who were also very pleasant and have outlined the boundaries of their private ground for us so we can make sure we keep things pleasant and lawful.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

not so much a single direct question, although it might be interesting to see what they say when you bring up the different sections of the act the ISP and Phorm have already broken in the old trials, and will be breaking in any new trials.

its probably easyest to directly relate (for non tech BERR admin's etc) that to the website owners copyright content than the end users datastreams OC, so there is were it might be asked first.

see the

Copyright, Designs and Patent Act 1988 section

section
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/crime/crime-wh...fenceguide.htm

and compare with the act as layed out

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988...ch6-pb5-l1g107
Making or Dealing in Infringing Articles
It is an offence under s.107 (1) of the CDPA to
(a) make for sale or hire,
(b) import into the United Kingdom otherwise than for private and domestic use,
(c) possess in the course of a business with a view to committing any act infringing copyright,
(d) in the course of a business
(i) sell or lets for hire,
(ii) offer or expose for sale or hire,
(iii) exhibit in public, or
(iv) distribute, or
(e) distribute otherwise than in the course of a business to such an extent as to affect prejudicially the owner of the copyright
.....
107(1)(c) seems clear enough,thats what they do...
(Sentence:6 months and or a GBP £5,000 fine)

does 107(1)(a) apply ? seems it might..
(Sentence: 6 months and or a GBP £5,000 fine)
(Indictment:10 years and or a fine)

107(1)(d)(i)-(ii) too ....

107(1)(e) again quite likely dont we think?
(Sentence: 6 months and or a GBP £5,000 fine)
(Indictment:10 years and or a fine)

and OC the next page
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988..._19880048_en_6
also likely covers Phorm and thier supplying of the device...

(2) A person commits an offence who—
(a) makes an article specifically designed or adapted for making copies of a particular copyright work, or

...
etc

[edit]

ohh and dont forget to also include the stanford Ripa conviction ruling in all things to show them we know this ruling exists and we can use it...
http://www.lawdit.co.uk/reading_room...20Stanford.htm

...
Geoffrey Rivlin QC, the trial judge had a different view. He pointed out that “right to control”
did not mean that someone had a right to access or operate the system, but that the Act required
that person to of had a right to authorise or to forbid the operation.

Stanford appealed the judge’s decision. However, the Court of Appeal upheld Rivlin’s view.

It pointed out that the purpose of the law was to protect privacy. Therefore Stanford’s sentence of 6 months imprisonment (suspended for two years) and a fine of £20,000 with £7000 prosecution costs
were upheld.
"

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Does anyone know which evening paper in London covers the area around the Barbican, I would like to send them a press release to make residents aware that we will be using a PA from noon to 2pm and apologise in advance for any disturbance this may cause.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Thank you Alex and Baroness Miller, 16th/17th seem like thjye could be really busy for many.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Thanks for that popper. I'll certainly mention it.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I know the Evening Standard is widely distributed in the London area http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7482991.stm

need for Webwise is ever-increasing.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Evening Standard are not prepared to publish notification of the event for local residents to make them aware that there may be some disruption. They are happy to take lots of money off me to advertise the event with them, but other than that, nothing.

They have stated they may turn up on the day and cover the event though.

I really need a way to let local residents know so as to avoid any chance of confrontation with the local community.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Best thing I can suggest is a Leaflet Drop - or see if you can put a Notice around Lamposts etc.

Have you resolved the issues with the Police?

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Alex - no need. They will all be at work.

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

I am in discussions with the police but at the moment there are no "issues" to resolve, they made it clear that it is perfectly acceptable to hold the protest and is in fact our right to do so.

I have explained that it will be a peaceful protest but there will be speeches between noon and 2pm using a mobile PA, they didn't have any issues with that but warned me that in their experience they tend to get a few people complaining from local residences when protests are held (which is why I want to get word out to the local community in advance).

So everything with the police is very positive at the moment, I expect at the meeting we will discuss a minimal police presence to ensure there are no problems. They were encouraged by the fact that we have already discussed the protest with Barbican Security too.

Alexander Hanff

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Hi Alex, I wonder if this may help? -

http://www.barbicanassociation.co.uk/index.htm

Dave ( and thanks for your hard work)

Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
 

Sorry to burst your bubble but Phormed webwise is the last thing thye need, 1st if this happens on BT's total customers it is perhaps due to BT redirecting funds to high wages and bonuses for failure to fat cats.
My ISP stops my spam I have 90% less than I had with VM :)

Best reply I can give them is get a mac and move to Zen or Aquiss become protected from Spam and invaision of your privacy.

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haha scared of the publicity

Now back on track.

We need to decide on decent questions to use in like mini shopping center market research then small groups up and down the country can do a awareness hit on the general public asking a few questions gather no personal data at all and leave them with a leaflet explaining phorm/webwise.