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Re: President Trump 2.0

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36190921)

Well, that’s not proof that Trump has given a direct order to release data to Musk.

He said

But he also said

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they get it very easily, I mean we don't have very good security in our country

So, is there evidence of a presidential order, mandating that DOGE is explicitly given this data?

Also, if there is, if there isn’t, I don’t care. I just want to see evidential back up to claims made.

Musk undertook an action to access the data, and Trump said

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The president told reporters on Monday that the billionaire had to seek approval from the White House for any of his actions.

so, either Trump has given him permission and his actions are approved, or Trump hasn’t given him permission, and his actions are not approved.

They "got in very easily" because a Trump appointee ordered employees to give the access, not because of "they don’t have very good security".

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Well (Prince) Harry is safe.

Trump has ruled out deportation, telling The New York Post "I'll leave him alone."

He then added "He's got enough problems with his wife. She's terrible." :)

Cant argue with that ...

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Aired during the whole super bowl broadcast.

$36trillion debt. How do they sleep at night :shocked:

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I was also surprised to learn he was the first ever sitting president to attend the superbowl.
You would think at least one or two had previously done so, considering its their most popular sport.

He predicted the winner incorrectly tho. ;)

Re: President Trump 2.0

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36191055)

Yes, I would have thought that having tickets to sporting fixtures like this would have been a perk of the job!

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A bill has gone through Congress empowering trump to aquire Greenland by any means necessary and re name it red white and blueland, wtf, who actually voted for this? Children causing chaos is fine for those hicks that voted for him but leave the rest of the world out of it

Re: President Trump 2.0

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36191127)

A bill has gone through Congress empowering trump to aquire Greenland by any means necessary and re name it red white and blueland, wtf, who actually voted for this? Children causing chaos is fine for those hicks that voted for him but leave the rest of the world out of it

Well, since the Republicans have a majority, I think we can guess... Maybe he's done a deal with Putin to split the world in 2?

We'll be OK, nobody wants the UK, the land of pensioners and no industry/jobs. Our nail bars are our best asset, might get mine done today :)

Re: President Trump 2.0

The most dangerous man in the world explains why the law does not apply to him:

In "President" Musk's world view, anything he wants to do is "democratic" and anyone that uses the law to stop him is undemocratic. This is the US sliding towards autocracy ...

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Article linked to the video above (Washington Post)

https://wapo.st/42MJOt2

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“We are going to be signing a very important deal today,” Trump said from the Oval Office. “It’s DOGE.” He said that his administration had found “billions and billions of dollars in waste, fraud and abuse.”

Beside him was Musk, who said: “If the bureaucracy is in charge, then what meaning does democracy actually have?”

“It does not match the will of the people, so it’s just something we’ve got to fix,” he added.

Neither Trump nor Musk provided specifics about the corruption they found or how they plan to address it.

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Last week, a federal judge halted the Trump administration’s “deferred resignation program,” which offers federal workers a way to quit and receive pay through September, while weighing a legal challenge. The program is the Trump administration’s most sweeping attempt yet to drastically cut the federal government.

“They’re getting a good deal. They’re getting a big buyout,” Trump said Tuesday of the program. “What we’re trying to do is reduce government. We have too many people.”

Trump said federal office space is “occupied by 4 percent.” But that number conflicts with a congressionally mandated report issued in August by the Office of Management and Budget, which found that federal employees who were eligible for telework were still spending more than 60 percent of their work hours on-site.

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Interesting article from a lawyer who served as associate White House counsel under President Ronald Reagan and as general counsel of the Office of Management and Budget under Reagan and President George H.W. Bush.

https://wapo.st/4hSE7Ox

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President Donald Trump, his appointees, acting officials and quasi-official outsiders are in the midst of a radical restructuring or termination of government employees, agencies and programs. Whether this is in all, many or some regards desirable is debatable. Also debatable is whether the 49.8 percent of the electorate who elected Trump want all of this, and whether the 50.2 percent who voted for Kamala Harris or a third-party candidate want any of it.

What is not debatable, however, is that Congress has not authorized this radical overhaul, and the protocols of the Constitution do not permit statutorily mandated agencies and programs to be transformed — or reorganized out of existence — without congressional authorization.

The Constitution is well known to interpose meaningful checks and balances and a separation of powers among the responsibilities of the executive, legislative and judicial branches. It is also well understood that the respective branch’s powers and duties will intersect and overlap. Fundamentally, however, all legislative power belongs to Congress, and executive power to the president. The judiciary steps in when the parameters of shared authority get complicated or confusing and constitutional lines are crossed.

The radical reorganization now underway is not just footfaulting over procedural lines; it is shattering the fundamental checks and balances of our constitutional order. The DOGE process, if that is what it is, mocks two basic tenets of our government: that we are nation of laws, not men and that it is Congress which controls spending and passes legislation. The president must faithfully execute Congress’s laws and manage the executive agencies consistent with the Constitution and lawmakers’ appropriations — not by any divine right or absolute power.

Where the president identifies policy areas that need reform or spending that needs to be supplemented, reduced or eliminated, the Constitution empowers him to recommend such measures as he finds “necessary or expedient” to Congress for it to dispose one way or the other, or alternatively ignore.

Yes, the president may advance his own policy agenda — including, of course, the ability to recommend reforms to Congress that he believes necessary or expedient. But there is no reading of the Constitution that allows any president to claim that a political mandate, or a political promise made, obviates or supersedes the role for Congress. It is the House and Senate that “make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for … the Government of the United States or in any Department or Officer thereof.”

Re: President Trump 2.0

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36191134)

The most dangerous man in the world explains why the law does not apply to him

I can't help but recall Kirk's words in The Omega Glory (shut up, for a terrible episode it had its points):

"These words and the words that follow were not written only for the Yangs, but for the Kohms as well!"
"The Kohms?"
"They must apply to EVERYONE, or they mean nothing!"

A democracy is supposed to protect its people. One aspect of this is that no leader, however high, is above the law. This is how it protects - it recognises that no-one is perfect and/or incorruptible, and the higher in government you go, the more important it is that the law apply equally.

So what, may I ask, is the US now? I honestly don't think it qualifies as a democracy any more.

As I've said in the past, I have no intention of disappearing from public view in the near future. In a FanFic story (Doctor Who: Refugee), I suggested one result of the GDPR was to elevate Echelon to AI status. To the best of my knowledge this hasn't happened...yet.

If you're reading this, hi, Echelon!

Re: President Trump 2.0

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Elon Musk to reporter: “We post our actions to the DOGE website. All of our actions are maximally transparent. I don’t know of a case where an organization has been more transparent than the DOGE organization.”

doge.gov website (you have to use a VPN, as it blocks any non-US IP addresses)

https://doge.gov/

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1739354586

That’s it - no links, no menu, just that page.

"maximally transparent"..

Re: President Trump 2.0

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36191144)

doge.gov website (you have to use a VPN, as it blocks any non-US IP addresses)

https://doge.gov/

<snip>

That’s it - no links, no menu, just that page.

"maximally transparent"..

This is actually hilarious :) Those DOGE wunderkind, you know, the ones who are hacking & mining the Federal databases, can't even host a secure website:

Cutbacks bite back as hackers play with Musk's DOGE site

Anyone Can Push Updates to the DOGE.gov Website

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I wonder how they are auditing Departments using only coders/software engineers, "entrepreneurs", lawyers, and HR people, with no auditors and forensic accountants?

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It seems like they are classing as fraud is simply projects and departments they consider to be against their ideologies, such as Diversity and inclusion among other things.

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Tell me Musk does not have something on Trump? He sits silent in the Oval office, his tech bro rambling on and Musk's kid insulting him. Trump sucks it up ...

Elon’s kid tells Trump “You are not the president and you need to go away.”

Elon Musk’s child tells Trump “shush your mouth”

Even if this is AI, it's very funny :)

Interesting comment on one of these threads:

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Has there ever been a live televised speech from the president interrupted by a private citizen and his kid? Not to even start with the unseriousness displayed by wearing a t-shirt and a hat in the oval office?

edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnfKnF85_B8&t=543s spreading this as this comment picked up a lot of traction

"The Sunday before the election, he met with Elon at his house. Elon told him that he had all this data and that he is responsible for this. The he is involved in every battle ground state, and we're going to win every battle ground state. Paxton said, I am convinced that whatever he did made a huge difference in this election. What exactly did Elon do BEFORE the election in every battleground state?? And what data? Is he saying the quiet part out loud?"