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Pierre

06-12-2023 22:53

Re: Hamas Israel War

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36166045)

Military planners make that decision everyday be that in exercise or in an actual theatre of war. So nobody isn’t quite correct.

News flash……nobody on this forum is a military planner.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36166046)

It’s not a gotcha question it’s the one the IDF ask themselves every time they launch an air strike on a mosque, on a hospital, on a refugee camp.

Great, ask the question on the IDF version of Cable Forum then.

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36166051)

You are wasting your time. I have asked this question a number of times. They won't answer it because it does not matter to them. They are content with any number.

What’s your number?

ianch99

06-12-2023 22:55

Re: Hamas Israel War

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36166049)

And Israel has been brutally slaughtering Palestinians for decades. The “start date” of October 7 is completely arbitrary, for no other reason to attempt to give some legitimacy to Israeli actions that if they were against non-Muslims or non-Arabs would unquestionably universally condemned. Politicians were unwavering in their condemnation of Putin for killing less civilians in a military operation that has gone on ten times longer.

You make a good link with Ukraine. When Ukrainian civilians were killed by Russian forces, there was anger here and in the West, rightly so, and moves to support the defence of Ukraine and the punishment of Putin and his regime.

Maybe those in Gaza are just the wrong sort of civilians? The wrong sort of children?

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36166052)

What’s your number?

Less than 500. What is yours?

Pierre

06-12-2023 23:06

Re: Hamas Israel War

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36166055)

You make a good link with Ukraine. When Ukrainian civilians were killed by Russian forces, there was anger here and in the West, rightly so

When Israeli and other nationals were killed by Hamas forces, there was anger here and other places that weren’t Jew haters, rightly so.

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and moves to support the defence of Ukraine and the punishment of Putin and his regime.

And moves to support the defence of Israel and the punishment of Hamas and their jihadi death cult………………

Oh sorry no, that didn’t happen, Israel were condemned for defending themselves and people publicly supported Hamas and objected to their punishment.

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Maybe those in Gaza are just the wrong sort of civilians? The wrong sort of children?

Maybe those in Israel are just the wrong sort of civilians? The wrong sort of children? …………the wrong sort of people. How many races have had multiple genocides inflicted upon them. Jews have been under the threat of eradication/genocide at least half a dozen times in history.

It’s always safe ground to attack a Jew, as we see now.

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36166055)

Less than 500. What is yours?

Zero, Please don’t avoid the swear filter. (Chris)

But I’m not in control of anything.

Sephiroth

06-12-2023 23:07

Re: Hamas Israel War

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36166051)

You are wasting your time. I have asked this question a number of times. They won't answer it because it does not matter to them. They are content with any number.

I'm far from content because it's an awful situation. But of one thing I'm certain: Hamas needs to be eradicated (just like the Nazis were) and Israel is the only country that's going to do it.

mrmistoffelees

07-12-2023 08:17

Re: Hamas Israel War

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36166050)

I'm weaselling out of nothing. Ask a question that can be answered and I'll try - like I answered Roughbeast.

Oh yes you are, you could quite easily answer the question but that would pinpoint exactly just how little disregard you have for innocent life.

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36166052)

News flash……nobody on this forum is a military planner.[COLOR="Silver"]

You didn’t say nobody on this forum you said nobody

Details matter…..

1andrew1

07-12-2023 08:33

Re: Hamas Israel War

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36166059)

I'm far from content because it's an awful situation. But of one thing I'm certain: Hamas needs to be eradicated (just like the Nazis were) and Israel is the only country that's going to do it.

Not in the way they're going about things at the moment they won't. As jfman explained, Israel is adept at playing the long game. That more effective approach has been jettisoned for political reasons.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36166050)

I'm weaselling out of nothing. Ask a question that can be answered and I'll try - like I answered Roughbeast.

The answer for you is at least 16,000 as you're happy for the IDF to carry on as is.

ianch99

07-12-2023 10:46

Re: Hamas Israel War

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36166057)

When Israeli and other nationals were killed by Hamas forces, there was anger here and other places that weren’t Jew haters, rightly so.

And moves to support the defence of Israel and the punishment of Hamas and their jihadi death cult………………

Oh sorry no, that didn’t happen, Israel were condemned for defending themselves and people publicly supported Hamas and objected to their punishment.

Maybe those in Israel are just the wrong sort of civilians? The wrong sort of children? …………the wrong sort of people. How many races have had multiple genocides inflicted upon them. Jews have been under the threat of eradication/genocide at least half a dozen times in history.

It’s always safe ground to attack a Jew, as we see now.

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Zero, Please don’t avoid the swear filter (Chris)

But I’m not in control of anything.

Proof you do not live in the real world.

"But I’m not in control of anything." Don't be such a child. You endorse the killing of civilians, your posts have confirmed this. You are fixated on the belief that Israel must be allowed to revenge the Hamas attack literally at any cost. Most peope I would argue have more humanity that this, you do not.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36166059)

I'm far from content because it's an awful situation. But of one thing I'm certain: Hamas needs to be eradicated (just like the Nazis were) and Israel is the only country that's going to do it.

You are doing a Corbyn here :)

"I'm far from content" ... but we need to continue the killing.

Chris

07-12-2023 11:26

Re: Hamas Israel War

Can we all calm down and be civil please. Also:

1. Stop avoiding the swear filter by deliberate mis-spelling. It makes work for the team, which makes us tetchy. And you do not want that.

2. If someone’s post is offensive and breaks the site’s rules please report it but *don’t* then go and quote it, you just end up doubling our workload, which makes us tetchy. Etc.

Pierre

07-12-2023 12:04

Re: Hamas Israel War

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36166075)

You didn’t say nobody on this forum you said nobody

Details matter…..

They do, and I said it because it's a subjective assessment. Ian is happy with somewhere i the region of 1-500 innocent people dying.

I'm content with zero.

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36166087)

"But I’m not in control of anything." Don't be such a child

But I'm not in control

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You endorse the killing of civilians, your posts have confirmed this

Have they?

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You are fixated on the belief that Israel must be allowed to revenge the Hamas attack literally at any cost. Most peope I would argue have more humanity that this, you do not.

Israel is allowed to defend it's people.

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"I'm far from content" ... but we need to continue the killing.

We? I'm not Jewish or Israeli

ianch99

07-12-2023 12:09

Re: Hamas Israel War

It is interesting to see replies on this thread who are deliberately pivoting the criticism of the Israeli Government and it's current actions to "attacking Jews" i.e. Antisemitism. This is a well worn path for those wishing to deflect valid criticism.

TheDaddy

07-12-2023 12:20

Re: Hamas Israel War

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36166099)

They do, and I said it because it's a subjective assessment. Ian is happy with somewhere i the region of 1-500 innocent people dying.

Yawn, he's not said he's happy, the relentless trolling is just dull

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36166103)

Of course, it's Israeli government policy to equate criticism of them with antisemitism

jfman

07-12-2023 12:26

Re: Hamas Israel War

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36166103)

It’s always the same. They have nothing but straw men. Believing Palestinians have a right to live in peace is “supporting Hamas”, now its hiding behind false claims of anti-Semitism. Even the belief that Palestinian lives are of equal value to Israeli ones is (ludicrously) held up as antisemitic by the Zionist regime.

ianch99

07-12-2023 12:35

Re: Hamas Israel War

Meanwhile in the West Bank, we see continued ethnic cleaning sponsored by the Likud government:

Israeli settler violence brings destruction and fear to West Bank as war rages

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A few nights ago, the school in Khirbet Zanuta, a small Palestinian village in the hills south of Hebron, was destroyed along with most of the houses, by a bulldozer.

Its tracks lay fresh and undisturbed in the sand when we arrived. The village was empty as its population of about 200 Palestinians left around a month ago, after sustained pressure and threats from armed and aggressive Jewish settlers who live in nearby outposts that are illegal under both Israeli and international law.

A twisted metal sign lies in the rubble of the school in Khirbet Zanuta. In bold black letters it reads "Humanitarian Support to Palestinians at risk of forcible transfer in the West Bank". The sign records the donors who gave money to the project. The European Union was the lead donor and, among a panel of European development agencies, is also the coat of arms of the British royal family over the words British Consulate-General Jerusalem.

Nadav Weiman came with the BBC to the village. He is a former Israeli special forces soldier who is now an activist with Breaking the Silence, a group of former combatants who campaign against Israel's occupation of the Palestinian territories. Nadav believes that Jewish settlers, the most militant of whom are known by name to local Palestinians, were once again flouting the law with the police and army.

"They're demolishing Palestinian villages, beating up Palestinian farmers, stealing their olives, trying to open a third front, an eastern front against the Palestinians in the West Bank. Why? Because they want the land without Palestinians."

jfman

07-12-2023 12:36

Re: Hamas Israel War

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36166107)

Meanwhile in the West Bank, we see continued ethnic cleaning sponsored by the Likud government:

Israeli settler violence brings destruction and fear to West Bank as war rages

I look forward to the universal condemnation of this. I invite anyone who can’t condemn it to explain why.

Pierre

07-12-2023 13:53

Re: Hamas Israel War

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36166105)

Yawn, he's not said he's happy, the relentless trolling is just dull

Fair enough, I remove "happy" from the record and replace with "acceptable"

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What’s your number?

Less than 500. What is yours?

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36166108)

I look forward to the universal condemnation of this. I invite anyone who can’t condemn it to explain why.

I will happily condemn this action.

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