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Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35945807)

BREAKING: NBC issued a correction to its wiretap story on MSNBC.

Feds are "monitoring" Michael Cohen’s calls, they are NOT listening to or recording them, there is NO "wiretapping."

In otherwords what they reported initially, was Fake News.

I think there's a few types of incorrect news:

Fake news - where the outlet makes up a story or reports an incorrect story it's been fed. Famous examples being The Sunday Times's Hitler Diaries and The Sun's Hillsborough story.

Headline doesn't equal story. Headline writers don't write the news stories so often don't read them in full. Quite a few examples abound in the Daily Mail and Express. Here's one.
Headline: Air pollution now leading cause of lung cancer
Article: Dr Sharp said it’s important to keep the risk of air pollution “in perspective”. She said “Although air pollution increases the risks of developing lung cancer by a small amount, other things have a much bigger effect on our risk, particularly smoking.”
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style...of-lung-cancer

Satire. Made famous by The Onion and Southend News Network. Most famously, news agency the Associated Press asked the latter for more details on its story about a mother who was arrested for accidentally naming her baby ‘Heroin’ instead of ‘Hermione’ http://www.southendnewsnetwork.net/n...n-baby-heroin/

Mistakes. Sometimes due to time pressures or journalistic errors, mistakes do occur. I would suggest this is what happened with NBC.

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35945801)

You google as many links as you like, my point about the media being liberal and one sided remains.

At some point it might sink in, I stand by everything I post. If you don’t like it, tough.

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Old news. This info came out weeks ago about Flood.

Good for you - if I think people (not just you) are posting factual inaccuracies, I will post evidence-based posts to highlight this - if they don’t like it, as you say, tough...

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35945822)

Good for you - if I think people (not just you) are posting factual inaccuracies, I will post evidence-based posts to highlight this - if they don’t like it, as you say, tough...

Well that’s all bollocks. I did not post any inaccuracies and you have not corrected anything I posted.

The point I made, still stands, the media in their rush to post anything they can get that’s negative against Trump, they will. They are one sided and pathetic. The NK prisoners release was back seat news, the point I made, the one sided liberal press, more intrested in Stormy Daniels... and that got more coverage because of their Anti-Trump agenda.

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More one-sided liberal press bias from Fox News, with their anti-trump agenda...

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/38...ats-your-swamp

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Fox's Cavuto on pattern of false statements: 'Mr. President, that’s your swamp'

"Let me be clear, Mr. President. How can you drain the swamp if you’re the one that keeps muddying the waters? You didn’t know about the $130,000 payment to a porn star until you did,” Cavuto said.

“You said you knew nothing about your lawyer Michael Cohen handling this, until acknowledging today you were the guy behind the retainer payment that took care of this,” he continued. “You insist that money from the campaign or campaign contributions played no role in this transaction. Of that you’re sure. The thing is, not 24 hours ago, sir, you couldn’t recall any of this. And you seemed very sure.”

I’m not saying you’re a liar,” Cavuto added. “You’re a president, you’re busy. I’m having a devil of a time figuring out which news is fake. Let’s just say that your own words on lots of stuff gave me lots of pause."

Cavuto then ran through a long list of claims that Trump has made that have later been proven to be false or were inaccurate or unsubstantiated in the first place.

Among the items were Trump’s claims that Russians didn’t interfere in the 2016 election, that the new GOP tax law would cost him a “fortune” and that he had signed more bills at that point of his presidency than any of his predecessors.

“None of this makes what you say fake. Just calling out the press for being so, a bit of a stretch,” Cavuto said.

“But more oftentimes they’re using your own words to bash you. Your base probably might not care. But you should,” he continued. “I guess you’re too busy draining the swamp to ever stop and smell the stink you’re creating. That’s your doing. That’s your stink, Mr. President, that’s your swamp.”

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/38...rthy-of-belief

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Fox’s Napolitano says Giuliani claim ‘unworthy of belief’

Fox senior judicial analyst Andrew Napolitano said Thursday that it is “unworthy of belief” that President Trump reimbursed his personal attorney Michael Cohen and didn't know the money was being used to silence adult-film star Stormy Daniels about an alleged 2006 affair with Trump.

“If Rudy [Giuliani] wants the public to believe that Donald Trump reimbursed Michael Cohen $130,000 and didn’t know what it was for, didn’t know that it was going to silence Stormy Daniels, that is unworthy of belief,” said Napolitano, a former New Jersey Superior Court judge.

He described Trump as a “man who knows where every one of his nickels has gone.”

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Don’t watch Fox News. But at least this shows how objective they are. So again, Hugh, you have proved nothing much..

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https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1525441049

Two of the three prisoners were held after Trump took up office - this statement appears to be an "alternative fact".

Re: President Trump & U.S Election 2016 Investigation

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35945880)

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1525441049

Two of the three prisoners were held after Trump took up office - this statement appears to be an "alternative fact".

Irrelevant. Does not alter the fact that Obama's foreign policies were dire.

And I repeat, Obama did not deserve his Nobel Peace Prize, given to him before he had the potential do anything to promote peace which he did not. He was a foreign policy failure, largely in part due to who he appointed as Secretary of State in his first term.. :rolleyes:

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Osama Bin Laden..I guess that was a failure as well.

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Irrelevant that he can't tell the truth - OK, then...

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I don't think Obama deserved the Nobel Peace Prize either and his foreign policy was mixed to say the least.

But it also has to be placed in perspective. Trump and his supporters almost seem to define themselves by Obama. The Iran deal got Russia and China on board and stopped their nuclear weapons development. Now Trump wants to rip it up but there doesn't appear to be an alternative plan. Just like the attempt to scrap Obamacare there was little thought to replacing it with something better, all the alternatives left fewer Americans with health insurance, so long as Obamacare was gone.

A lasting peace deal with the Koreas would a genuine achievement for Trump. Like with Iran this would be a country that was developing nuclear weapons, where war was at least a worry, which we're now on peaceful terms with. However as with Iran there would have to be concessions to N.Korea and it's these likely concessions that are Trump's problem with the Iran deal. So is he not going to give anything to N.Korea? If he does then what's the difference between that and Iran? Other than the latter is Obama.

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35945890)

Osama Bin Laden..I guess that was a failure as well.

If you believe in State Sponsored Assassinations, that's fine.

I do believe in the Judicial system though.

BREAKING: A Federal Judge In Virginia accuses Special Counsel, Robert Mueller III of lying, to get to Trump.

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A federal judge on Friday harshly rebuked Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team during a hearing for ex-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort – suggesting they lied about the scope of the investigation, are seeking “unfettered power” and are more interested in bringing down the president.

"You don't really care about Mr. Manafort,” U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III told Mueller’s team. “You really care about what information Mr. Manafort can give you to lead you to Mr. Trump and an impeachment, or whatever."

Further, Ellis demanded to see the unredacted “scope memo,” a document outlining the scope of the special counsel’s Russia probe that congressional Republicans have also sought.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...-cmon-man.html

http://uk.businessinsider.com/judge-...-russia-2018-5

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35945899)

If you believe in State Sponsored Assassinations, that's fine.

I do believe in the Judicial system though.

Pretty impressive how even taking out Osama is bad now. Clearly they should have just arrested him in the middle of Pakistan. I take it you also condemn Trump for the bombing of terrorists in Syria rather than seeking their extradition?

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35945901)

Depends if those terrorists were armed... if not I believe in capture and holding people to justice 'legally'...

Just blindly bombing areas in Syria has got innocent civilians killed.

Where in my comment did I say taking out Osama is bad. He got what was deserved in the end...?

But because of the enormity of his crimes, a few steps were skipped beforehand before they decided his fate....

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"The issue here is whether what was done was an act of legitimate self-defence," said Benjamin Ferencz, an international law specialist who served as a prosecutor during the Nuremburg trials and argued that it would have been better to capture Bin Laden and send him to court.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13318372

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I don't think it's right to expect American troops to take further risks in an attempt to take him back. The risk would have been a lot higher to take him alive. Bin Laden was in hiding in almost plain sight in Pakistan with little opposition from their government.

He chose to live outside the law. He was an enemy combatant. You take these people out. Expecting to capture them is unrealistic. Domestically you obey the law but on the international stage the world doesn't work that way.

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The incidence of stabbings in the UK in recent years is terrible but I don't get the relevance of Trump's exaggerated picture here.

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"I recently read a story that in London, which has unbelievably tough gun laws, a once very prestigious hospital right in the middle is like a war zone for horrible stabbing wounds," he said on Friday.
"They don't have guns. They have knives and instead there's blood all over the floors of this hospital.
"They say it's as bad as a military war zone hospital. Knives, knives, knives, knives." He mimed a stabbing motion.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44007312