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Agreed.... There is no perfect solution... Though I do feel that if they have ofended once then they should be watched....

What about radio tagging thats discreet for the wearer... If they go near a school or playpark then it signals the police ?

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I think that would be an expectable compromise.

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Anyone watching the program on BBC2?
The ordinary pedo gets riot dressed police smashing down their doors mob handed, but Pete Townsend gets forewarned and has press officers and the gently gently approach.

OMG just seen some dumb blond holding up a sign saying 'shut down the site, NOT PETE'

Eh? why? keep the site up as a honeytrap and arrest Pete as a pedo surely.

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(Sarcastic mode on)
Yes but he wasn't really a paedo was he - he was only doing it for research :rolleyes:
(Sarcastic mode off)

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:rolleyes: :D

I think we hear him being interviewed too.

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You may not be aware of this, but the actual *aim* of our system of justice is *not* to punish the guilty, but to *prevent* the innocent from being convicted. That is *why* we have principles such as "innocent until proven guilty".

Yes, sometimes someone slips through the net. Yes, sometimes mistakes are made (on both sides!), but I think what we have is better than any other system.

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Well since you have snipped everything else, it appears we're now talking about nothing, except, perhaps, the following...

Which, I think, says it all.

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You are of course entitled to you opinion m8... I respect that....

As I said before - we will have to agree to dissagree...

And yes I am aware of how our justice system works ! I have been envolved in many court cases ! how many have you been envolved with ?

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Hence the unsurprising non-take up of the recent offer that people who had down-loaded kiddie porn from the net could get their computers "cleaned" of it, but *only* if they put their names down on the sex offenders register!

What a brilliant idea *that* was... :rolleyes:

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An interesting concept, but what sort of radius do you put on it? Is 500 yards too close? What if that's three streets over? What about sweet shops? What about if they get on the bus that the kids catch from school, but two stops down the line so they're out of the restricted area?

I'm sorry if people think I'm being negative or "not supplying solutions", but the fact is that any system can be beaten if someone wants to try hard enough.

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Of course, but it doesn't mean we have to stop talking, does it?

None.

I have no idea how you have been involved with the Justice System, be it lawyer or defendant or witness, but given your experiences, do you really think that a system that increases the risks of convicting the innocent or maybe could even try someone for something they haven't actually done would be *better* than what we have at the moment?

Or is the answer a case of "Special Pleading"? "No, *except* in *these* cases?"

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Why are you arguing with yourself :confused:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...2&postcount=97

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...1&postcount=73

Piere did not post the comments in post 97 - you did !

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I got the quoting wrong. I have now corrected it.

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Yeah I watched the 2nd half of that program. He was not convicted and no pictures were found on his computer, he may have been telling the thruth.

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In my opinion I think you're right.

There are far,far,far to many people concerned about the rights of the Paedophile (and criminals in general)

The sentences are too leniant, and when they are let out the support from social services and police just isn't good enough.

We don't have to read their minds, we know what they are, they have already proved what they are and been convicted for what they are.

"Counselling" yes stick them in a room "Paedos Anomonous" I doubt the "counselling" available to them from the state is of the quality or the quantity that would be required to have a lasting affect. Yes, that is an assumption but you only have to look at the quality of other social services to know that I am not wrong, And I still stand by main point of this thread that they cannot be "cured".

Put them on a register, yes. I believe the guy that killed Sarah Payne was on a register. Registers do nothing.

Monitor their behaviour, again how much resource is there to monitor their behaviour? they cannot be watched "all of the time". I suppose tagging hooked up to GPS system would be an option.

Try to prevent them from re-offending, Sorry, trying isn't good enough. They "must" be preveted from re-offending.

We are not talking about suspected paedo's here. This are ones that have been convicted. If we let them out and they kill or rape again we are guilty of negligence. I am suprised Sarah Paynes family did not sue the authorities for putting her daughter ar risk. I would.

How can you look the parents of a murdered child in the eye and say "sorry, we made mistake, we shouldn't have let him out, we should have watched him a bit more carefully. We wont let him out again though"

Not good enough - Horse gate close gone after has.