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Xaccers 03-02-2004 22:45
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Originally Posted by Graham
Interesting that it concludes:

"Their message urged Muslims to return to Islam and live in accordance with its teachings."

Does this include repressing women, chopping hands off theives and all the other things that people have mentioned in here...?!
Do you know that Islam states women should be repressed etc?

Graham 03-02-2004 22:48
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Originally Posted by Xaccers
Do you know that Islam states women should be repressed etc?
There was a certain irony present in that last posting of mine...!

Xaccers 03-02-2004 22:50
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Originally Posted by Graham
There was a certain irony present in that last posting of mine...!
So even though you just said that, you don't actually believe that islam supports the repression of women, the removal of hands from thieves etc?

Ramrod 03-02-2004 22:53
Re: Muslims outpace Anglicans in the UK
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham
Interesting that it concludes:

"Their message urged Muslims to return to Islam and live in accordance with its teachings."

Does this include repressing women, chopping hands off theives and all the other things that people have mentioned in here...?!
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7&sect...=31&m=1&y=2004
Quote:
Only last week, a religious scholar here decreed that women taking the wheel of an automobile was sinful.

The argument was that by allowing women the mobility and the opportunity to intermingle with men would lead to a social breakdown of morals and ethics.

Prior to that, another scholar decreed that the participation of women in a recently held economic forum in Jeddah was just as sinful. Once again, the close proximity of women to men was raised.

It got me thinking. There are approximately 1.3 billion Muslims all over the world, with numbers rising daily. Assuming that half those numbers are women, it would place the figure to about 600 million, twice the total population of the United States of America.

And if half of these women have a driving license and are currently driving vehicles in different parts of the world, then it would indeed be an alarming statistic in line with this recent edict. For that would place approximately 300 million women in direct violation of proper moral behavior.
:rolleyes:

Graham 04-02-2004 02:24
Re: Muslims outpace Anglicans in the UK
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaccers
So even though you just said that, you don't actually believe that islam supports the repression of women, the removal of hands from thieves etc?
Quoting from the link Ramrod just gave:

"The Islam we have grown up with grants women full status and equal rights in society. And they are concrete rights. The Islam we know is a tolerant and practical religion, one of peace and compassion to all, be they men or women, Muslims or otherwise. It does not deny a woman the right to work. Nor does it forbid her to drive. It is for her to decide."

kronas 04-02-2004 02:31
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Originally Posted by Graham
Quoting from the link Ramrod just gave:

"The Islam we have grown up with grants women full status and equal rights in society. And they are concrete rights. The Islam we know is a tolerant and practical religion, one of peace and compassion to all, be they men or women, Muslims or otherwise. It does not deny a woman the right to work. Nor does it forbid her to drive. It is for her to decide."
i would disagree with this, having questioned muslims and seen it with my own eyes they mainly agree women should stay at home and look after the children, with the minority of the women who are capable of becoming doctors or in such a 'high' proffession being allowed to go in to a job, this would be excluded however if the women had to wear a skirt or any 'loose' clothing......

Graham 04-02-2004 02:42
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And I again point out that, just as women got the vote in this country less than a hundred years ago, so, up until very recently, women in the UK were expected to stay home, look after the children and feed the husband when he came back from work etc etc.

Xaccers 04-02-2004 02:44
Re: Muslims outpace Anglicans in the UK
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kronas
i would disagree with this, having questioned muslims and seen it with my own eyes they mainly agree women should stay at home and look after the children, with the minority of the women who are capable of becoming doctors or in such a 'high' proffession being allowed to go in to a job, this would be excluded however if the women had to wear a skirt or any 'loose' clothing......
But is their opinion from islam or from their culture?
Take catholics out in the countryside in Eire, alot of people there feel women should stay at home. Alot of the men even make their wives sit in the back of their cars while their first born son sits in the front.
But is this a catholic thing or an irish thing (restricted to their part of the irish countryside)

kronas 04-02-2004 02:50
Re: Muslims outpace Anglicans in the UK
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaccers
But is their opinion from islam or from their culture?
Take catholics out in the countryside in Eire, alot of people there feel women should stay at home. Alot of the men even make their wives sit in the back of their cars while their first born son sits in the front.
But is this a catholic thing or an irish thing (restricted to their part of the irish countryside)
i would say it is partly a culture thing, but things are still dictated by the book such as the sharia laws.........

Xaccers 04-02-2004 03:27
Re: Muslims outpace Anglicans in the UK
 
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Originally Posted by kronas
i would say it is partly a culture thing, but things are still dictated by the book such as the sharia laws.........
The book which mentions that Mohammad's wife worked?

Russ 04-02-2004 17:11
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That's all that Russ needs to do, instead of saying "Well I know that a 'True Christian' wouldn't do this, but I don't know about anyone else".
Which, as everyone can see, is not what I said, meant or implied.

Graham 04-02-2004 19:23
Re: Muslims outpace Anglicans in the UK
 
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Originally Posted by Russ D
Which, as everyone can see, is not what I said, meant or implied.
And once again we're back to the fallacy of "Appeal to Popularity"
:rolleyes:

Ramrod 04-02-2004 19:25
Re: Muslims outpace Anglicans in the UK
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham
And once again we're back to the fallacy of "Appeal to Popularity"
:rolleyes:
I think it was just a 'turn of phrase' . Maby instead of 'as everyone can see' you would settle for 'obviously'?:)

Russ 04-02-2004 19:31
Re: Muslims outpace Anglicans in the UK
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham
And once again we're back to the fallacy of "Appeal to Popularity"
:rolleyes:

That's just your opinion remember :)

Graham 04-02-2004 20:04
Re: Muslims outpace Anglicans in the UK
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod
I think it was just a 'turn of phrase' . Maby instead of 'as everyone can see' you would settle for 'obviously'?:)
Ah, the fallacy of "Appeal to Belief". :rolleyes:


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