Re: 10 meg unlimited?
 

spoken to a freind on irc who lives in germany their dsl market works like this.

they pay for phoneline of telco
they then pay for dsl on top say 10 euro for 2mbit
they then pay fee to isp on top of this which may be something like 2-3 euro for basic beginner package 2 gig traffic allowance.
they can pay 6 euro on top of this for unmetered.
he upgraded today to 6mbit for an extra 13 euro and if you already paid the 6 euro it is an unmetered connection.

He said they have no shaping there although was tried the customers simply moved away in mass numbers so was dropped and their dsl products generally are not contended on the local exchange only at the isp, people can download in evenings and no signs of speed dropping.

50mbit Vdsl is also been rolled out there this summer. fibre to the kerb. This is done with no government funding and they have to open their network to competitors (LLU)

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So, the moral of this story is if traffic shaping comes in for the 10mb lines to stay on 2mb and just wait a little longer for that linux distro to download. Hopefully they will steer clear of shaping 2mb (although it seems like they do it now, but that could just be ubr contention at peak times) or 1mb connections.

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The traffic shaping will be across all tiers, they won't solely implement it on 10Mb only for everyone to downgrade to 1 & 2 Meg & leech the living daylights out of those tiers.

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well, we'll have to wait and see what happens then.

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I can't see traffic shaping being implemented selectively.

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Great way to motivate people to spend less :)

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well if traffic shaping is comming there isn't a hope in hell chance that i will pay for top teir level prices ever again with NTL, just don't see the point in having the fastest speed if you cannot do anything with it except browse during peak times

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Can't people just encrypt thier data to bypass traffic shaping?

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If only it was that simple, I would assume the shaping software has ways around that.

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How would that work? Traffic shaping is on all ports, there would be no way to get around it.

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I thought it worked by reading the packet's header to see if it was p2p or not. If they shape all data what's the point in selling something as 10mbit (or whatever speed)?

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assuming it's simply shaped by port and that voip has a high priority then (if) you could reassign your P2P or whatever to the same port as used by VOIP, you might get round it.

but if you look at plusnet (I think) they also shape by limiting you to a certain amount of gb per month during peak hours, after which for the rest of the month your speed is lowered massively. perhaps that's what NTL plan.

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Hopefully it will just be some sort of load balancing at peak times. ie. give p2p traffic low priority when the network is at it's busiest

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I did more than that between 6 and 8 last night :)

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I can see the press release now...

"generally the majority of NTL customers will not notice traffic shapping is in operation and therefore this wont be an issue"