Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36193804)

Men, as a class, are stronger and more prone to violence than women, as a class. Men, as a class, pose a risk to women. It is for the dignity and the safety of, and fairness towards, women that we provide segregated spaces for them: toilets, trauma care, prisons, sports. As someone who says they are trans and claims to be a woman is actually still a man, all the above applies.

All trans-identifying males are a risk to women on the same basis as all non-trans-identifying males, except with the aggravating factor that non-trans-identifying males are not routinely arguing for the default right to access female safe spaces.

And your friend is not a woman of any kind, nor is it correct to refer to them in the third person as “she”. He is a man, regardless of how he sees himself and regardless of what he has told you. He was born male, he is male, he will die male. He is male, therefore he is a man, and he cannot be an woman, because a woman is an adult human female. And if he is liable to punch people’s teeth out for saying so - well that’s very male behaviour isn’t it.

I have, and will continue to, to discuss these issues, face to face, politely but insistently, with trans identifying individuals of my acquaintance, of which there are several.

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36193802)

I’ve got a good friend who is trans male to female and I’d love to put her in a room with you whilst some of you talk the way you do on the issue, you would be picking your teeth up from the floor in seconds

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36193802)

Is it though ? The implication as I read it is that ‘all pretend females with a penis’ represent a threat to all ‘natural women’

If my understanding is correct that can only mean one of two things

‘All trans women represent a threat to women’
‘All men represent a threat to women’

I’ve got a good friend who is trans male to female and I’d love to put her in a room with you whilst some of you talk the way you do on the issue, you would be picking your teeth up from the floor in seconds

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36193817)

Perhaps indicative of why he should change with the men and not the women.

Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36193821)

Threatened as in the emotion not the action. You can feel threatened without someone actually threatening you. It can simple be a feeling of unsafe and tbh I do not blame them. Feeling threatened emotionally is entirely different to threatening someone

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36193802)

Is it though ? The implication as I read it is that ‘all pretend females with a penis’ represent a threat to all ‘natural women’

If my understanding is correct that can only mean one of two things

‘All trans women represent a threat to women’
‘All men represent a threat to women’

I’ve got a good friend who is trans male to female and I’d love to put her in a room with you whilst some of you talk the way you do on the issue, you would be picking your teeth up from the floor in seconds

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36193831)

And yet your trans friend is considered a man with no accommodation. More over they have a "psychological disorder" and so represent a danger to "real" women. These are the times we live in where empathy and tolerance are diminished.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36193806)

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36193829)

I’m reminded of this for some reason

https://youtu.be/zopCDSK69gs?si=uJS1Uau6J2_HctKu

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36193802)

‘All men represent a threat to women’

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36193802)

I’ve got a good friend who is trans male to female and I’d love to put her in a room with you whilst some of you talk the way you do on the issue, you would be picking your teeth up from the floor in seconds

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36193827)

Not really.Come to boro and you would find in most cases that the women are quicker to get physical and much much more aggressive…..

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36193831)

And yet your trans friend is considered a man with no accommodation.

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36193833)

will be regarded as a mentally ill freak.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36193836)

Well, that’s your term, nobody else’s.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36193844)

Mentally ill people are not freaks. They deserve compassion and effective treatment, not ridicule and certainly not ideologically driven, poorly evidenced, faddish surgery.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36193861)

Much like the changing rooms if it’s just about wanting to live their lives in peace in the gender they perceive themselves to be why do they want to compete in sports where they know having undergone male puberty is an advantage?

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36193844)

Indeed, and it’s a bit disappointing that in choosing to misrepresent the views of those he disagrees with, he should do so by raising distasteful tropes that nobody in this discussion has used.

Mentally ill people are not freaks. They deserve compassion and effective treatment, not ridicule and certainly not ideologically driven, poorly evidenced, faddish surgery.