Re: Hamas terrorists invade Israel, kill civilians and take hostages
 

No you didn’t. You started in 1948. Regional history did not begin there.

If you’re genuinely interested in regional history, try again, this time discussing Ottoman land reform, early Zionism and the British Mandate.

Clue: if you don’t go back at least as far as 1858 you’re doing it wrong.

Re: Hamas terrorists invade Israel, kill civilians and take hostages
 

Whether the risk is high or low is irrelevant if the perceived risk of terror is high. I cant even take a full size toothpaste on a plane because some guy almost blew his shoes up twenty years ago. Would you live there with your wife or daughters?

And round and round we go.

You are kidding yourself on if you think it's not already so disproportionate as to be irrelevant. What terror groups have to offer is innovative, often suicidal, methods.

As will Israel's reprisals on innocent Palestinians to the Palestinian people.

We aren't queuing to take in anyone either.

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If you are wilfully ignoring what you can clearly see with your own eyes, or worse you think nits a reasonable response, you can't really complain about the next terrorist attack on Israel or the one after that.

We are going round and round a bit so i will bid you good night at this point I'm sure the thread will still run and run.

Re: Hamas terrorists invade Israel, kill civilians and take hostages
 

It’s a good point, only the subjugation of Gaza in the short to medium term would help, and that is probably will happen.

indeed, one side has previously offered concessions and a willingness to negotiate, the other hasn’t, only death to Israel, let’s keep spinning.

major questions will be asked, this will make it more disproportionate. They always break through. The CIA didn’t stop 9/11, MI5 didn’t stop 7/7 or Manchester.

Israel has faced suicide bombers before, many times, this will come as no surprise to them.

No doubt.wonderful isn’t it? Imagine if one side would negotiate in good faith how different things might be?

are we advocating the elimination of the Israeli state? Or are we asking for peace?

I don’t have access to any intelligence, it may be a legitimate target, there may be Hamas sheltering there. I don’t know. Do you have access to those intelligence reports?


You seem to have unrivalled access to intelligence for the area. Impressive.

Good night. I think people need to reconsider the terms terrorist and terrorism. I’m not sure everyone understands it.

Re: Hamas terrorists invade Israel, kill civilians and take hostages
 

Funny how "whataboutary" is suddenly valid for some forum members when defending Hamas terrorists.
Anyone defending them should be totally ashamed of themselves.

Re: Hamas terrorists invade Israel, kill civilians and take hostages
 

You won't find a single post where I've defended them.

It's not 'whataboutery' - that relates to completely unlinked events. Politicians telling unrelated lies, different corruption, the Lawrence Fox and Chris Packham discussion the other day.

The actions of Israel and Palestinian terror groups are absolutely intertwined. Always have been and always will be.

For the avoidance of doubt:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...0&postcount=72

Re: Hamas terrorists invade Israel, kill civilians and take hostages
 

I didnt mention any names, but clearly a guilty conscience kicking in.

Still, for the "avoidance of doubt", in which post have you condemed them ?

Re: Hamas terrorists invade Israel, kill civilians and take hostages
 

I've linked above.

It's not a guilty conscience it was an obvious reference to me. Unless I've guessed incorrectly in which case you can correct me. It's worth noting once again nobody will find a single post where I've defended Hamas.

Re: Hamas terrorists invade Israel, kill civilians and take hostages
 

Re: Hamas terrorists invade Israel, kill civilians and take hostages
 

How can anyone not see this? It is the fuel that drives this whole sorry story. By not condemning both sides, it allows one side to claim the moral high ground.

The people who claim that children killed by Israeli bombs are not victims of terrorism in the same way that the Israeli's killed by the Hamas terrorists are the real problem here.

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Re: Hamas terrorists invade Israel, kill civilians and take hostages
 

If Israel is held to account in the same way that Hamas, Iran, etc. are then this whole narrative would be radically different.

The use of Collective Punishment in Gaza, a war crime in itself, will be allowed by the US and the wider world. They will look on while innocents are killed.

An example:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/worl...-east-67050350

Re: Hamas terrorists invade Israel, kill civilians and take hostages
 

One problem that has been hinted at is the Palestinians are not Semitic so are not Arab. Mostly they are the poor people in the middle between Israel and some Arab nations whose intention is the destruction of the Jewish state and if possible the Jewish people. Palestinians, and especially Christian Palestinians, who seek peace with Israel have been targeted by Arab groups for decades and those who are convinced to fight are targeted by Israel.



And the problem goes back to Genesis 16 when Abram and Sarai tried to solve their infertility problem and bring about God's promise that Abram would be the father of many by (ab)using Hagar leading to Ishmael and thus to the Arab people. And as back then with invading armies from Persian, Syria, Assyria etc Israel is fighting for their very existence. If anyone thinks that the goal is Palestinian freedom and a Palestinian state you are very mistaken.

Re: Hamas terrorists invade Israel, kill civilians and take hostages
 

Just to be clear on who is doing what now:

Just to add, 50% of those in Gaza are children

Re: Hamas terrorists invade Israel, kill civilians and take hostages
 

Yep, religion, The root of all evil.

Re: Hamas terrorists invade Israel, kill civilians and take hostages
 

I wonder how many days it'll take Israel to surpass the civilian death toll of Russia's almost 600 day old special military operation.

I'm sure our armchair generals will be all over analysis comparing the two.