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OLD BOY 15-06-2023 19:50
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36153878)
Oh, the irony…
No irony here, Hugh, just wilful incomprehension on your part.

It’s fascinating seeing you all come in for the kill, with no expectation as to whether justice has been done in this case.

You just hate Boris Johnson. End of.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36153881)
You do realise it wasn’t real life, don’t you?
They just keep coming, Hugh! Go on, tell us another one!:rolleyes:

denphone 15-06-2023 20:15
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36153882)
No irony here, Hugh, just wilful incomprehension on your part.

It’s fascinating seeing you all come in for the kill, with no expectation as to whether justice has been done in this case.

You just hate Boris Johnson. End of.

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They just keep coming, Hugh! Go on, tell us another one!:rolleyes:

Nothing to do with people hating Boris Johnson but still you are quite a expert at whataboutery and deflection so l suppose your utterly predictable reaction comes as no surprise to many of us.

1andrew1 15-06-2023 20:32
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36153876)
If MPs are doing their jobs, they will ask the Chair of the Conduct and Privileges Committee why they have not directly addressed the points that Boris Johnson made in his defence.

On the face of it, they’ve made their decision on the basis that this is Boris, and not on the evidence he has submitted in his defence.

I do recognise that some of you aren’t really interested in relevant information that might actually be helpful to BJ.
They've looked at all the evidence, not just that submitted by Johnson. And that evidence includes his rather desperate attempts at intimidating the committee.

You need to read beyond Johnson's sound bites. You shouldn't just decide that because you like Johnson, he can't put a foot wrong and you loathe Starmer so the latter must be guilty. You need to take a more evidence-based approach. Fortunately for British democracy, in the democratically-constituted committee we have a bunch of grown-ups who're able to do exactly that. A majority of them are Conservative who have put country before party politics. I appreciate the decision may be harder to swallow than the populist, comforting sound bites from Johnson but like those parties and misleading Parliament, it's reality.

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36153887)
Nothing to do with people hating Boris Johnson but still you are quite a expert at whataboutery and deflection so l suppose your utterly predictable reaction comes as no surprise to many of us.
I hope enough Conservative MPs can summon up the courage and vote to drain the swamp on Monday.

True Conservative supporters will want to learn the lessons from Johnson's assault on democracy whilst putting some space between the current regime and Johnson's. Until this is done, he will haunt the Party like the ghost of Banquo haunted Macbeth with journalists willing to remind the public that Sunak was fined too.

Maggy 15-06-2023 20:52
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Think of this as a plot for Yes Prime Minister...

1andrew1 15-06-2023 21:14
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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36153892)
Think of this as a plot for Yes Prime Minister...
It would be thrown out - no PM would lie to Parliament that many times, would they? ;) It's unprecedented.

Hugh 15-06-2023 21:59
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36153882)
No irony here, Hugh, just wilful incomprehension on your part.

It’s fascinating seeing you all come in for the kill, with no expectation as to whether justice has been done in this case.

You just hate Boris Johnson. End of.

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They just keep coming, Hugh! Go on, tell us another one!:rolleyes:
You are mistaken in that assertion - I try very hard not to hate anyone (the old “If you stare into the abyss, the abyss stares back at you” thing…).

However, I intensely dislike what he’s done to the Conservatives, the Country, all for his self-interest, and not for what he truly believed - he is a lying, philandering narcissist, which is not the type of person I would support or defend - ymmv…

Just read the Times editorial, and the last paragraph summed it up

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(Boris Johnson is) fond of quoting the Greek philosopher Heraclitus, who observed that “character is destiny”. In the end, Mr Johnson could not defy his. Therein lies his tragedy.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d...b2bbb8b0285334

1andrew1 15-06-2023 23:11
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A good summary for once from The Express. It details 10 bombshells from the report, below. I think it's encouraging that the paper is not trying to defend the indefensible.
1. He was aware of the rules and had “knowledge of breaches” of these rules in Number 10.
2. He misled the House on numerous accounts
3. He hid behind the Sue Gray report to avoid giving evidence
4. He continued to lie to the House and Committee after initial findings
5. He was ‘deliberately disingenuous’ in trying to rewrite the rules to suit his narrative
6. The Government gave emails, Whatsapp messages and photographs to the committee — but Boris only had “a limited number of WhatsApp messages"
7. He “deliberately closed his mind” to the facts of social distancing breaches
8. He was complicit in the “campaign of abuse and attempted intimidation” of the Committee
9. His statements last week were in breach of direct confidentiality instructions and are a further offence
10. He should be suspended for 90 days — but he’s already resigned.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-committee-spt

Dave42 15-06-2023 23:14
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36153897)
A good summary for once from The Express. It details 10 bombshells from the report, below. I think it's encouraging that the paper is not trying to defend the indefensible.
1. He was aware of the rules and had “knowledge of breaches” of these rules in Number 10.
2. He misled the House on numerous accounts
3. He hid behind the Sue Gray report to avoid giving evidence
4. He continued to lie to the House and Committee after initial findings
5. He was ‘deliberately disingenuous’ in trying to rewrite the rules to suit his narrative
6. The Government gave emails, Whatsapp messages and photographs to the committee — but Boris only had “a limited number of WhatsApp messages"
7. He “deliberately closed his mind” to the facts of social distancing breaches
8. He was complicit in the “campaign of abuse and attempted intimidation” of the Committee
9. His statements last week were in breach of direct confidentiality instructions and are a further offence
10. He should be suspended for 90 days — but he’s already resigned.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...-committee-spt
you mean that remoaner plot that all out to get Johnson OH WAIT he was banged to rights and rightly so

Hugh 15-06-2023 23:14
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36153876)
If MPs are doing their jobs, they will ask the Chair of the Conduct and Privileges Committee why they have not directly addressed the points that Boris Johnson made in his defence.

On the face of it, they’ve made their decision on the basis that this is Boris, and not on the evidence he has submitted in his defence.

I do recognise that some of you aren’t really interested in relevant information that might actually be helpful to BJ.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/8...42f9757dd41273

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On Thursday last week the committee sent a draft of its conclusions to Johnson and his lawyers “under secure invigilated conditions”. Each page of the document said “PRIVILEGED AND IN STRICT CONFIDENCE — FOR THE USE OF MR JOHNSON AND HIS NOMINATED LEGAL ADVISERS ONLY,” adding: “It is a contempt of the House to reveal the contents of this document.”

The report states: “Within 24 hours of receiving our warning letter, on Friday 9 June 2023, Mr Johnson announced his intention to resign as an MP with immediate effect, broke the confidentiality of the process by revealing the contents of the warning letter and linked material, and attacked the committee.”

It adds: “At the time we wrote to Mr Johnson, we had come to no final conclusions, since we awaited his response. In making his statement when he did, Mr Johnson knew that the committee would be unable to make a substantive response until it had completed its inquiry, and his assertions would be unchallenged. We note that Mr Johnson does not merely criticise the fairness of the committee’s procedures; he also attacks in very strong, indeed vitriolic, terms the integrity, honesty and honour of its members.

1andrew1 15-06-2023 23:45
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36153899)
Indeed.

Before anyone proclaims that the report does not address the points that Johnson made in his defence, it's a good idea to read the report first!

jonbxx 16-06-2023 09:38
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I read this article the other day - https://theconversation.com/the-dark...-traits-177662

Written by a psychologist, it gives an insight into Boris Johnson’s personality and the psychological traits that got him in to so much trouble

Kursk 16-06-2023 14:54
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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36153925)
I read this article the other day - https://theconversation.com/the-dark...-traits-177662

Written by a psychologist, it gives an insight into Boris Johnson’s personality and the psychological traits that got him in to so much trouble
One person’s drivel does not a convincing argument make.:dunce:

Damien 16-06-2023 15:52
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The worst thing in there is that No 10 wasn't only operating several wine days and so on but that they told staff to be mindful of the cameras outside when leaving, they knew exactly what they were doing.

Sephiroth 16-06-2023 16:09
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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 36153937)
One person’s drivel does not a convincing argument make.:dunce:


Where is the drivel in the psychologist’s analysis?

Kursk 16-06-2023 16:37
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36153943)


Where is the drivel in the psychologist’s analysis?
I simply don't see the need for links to randoms. Dutifully, I read the 'expert' babble but felt my time had been wasted.


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