Re: PM's adviser on ministerial code resigns over his advice on Priti Patel being ign
 

If I close my eyes I can hear and picture that being shouted at me by a 6 year old, whilst stamping their feet.

I have no idea what problems she, nor any other ministers may encounter, perhaps she May encounter more problems Han her male counterparts- I don’t know. I can’t comment on her competence ( you must have some insight I don’t )

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Very good.

You would have been as well stopping after "I have no idea" because you don't - you're simply engaging in speculation from a narrative (without evidence) that Civil Servants were somehow either racist or sexist towards her. As you said they're male, pale and stale.

Yet you have no evidence, at all, or any of this. Yet the person who carried out the investigation and had evidence called it a breach of the Ministerial Code. I note that no Civil Servants are being referred for breaches of the Civil Service Code as a result.

I would say, and I don't meant this as a personal criticism, that the person who independently assessed the evidence is more qualified than you to reach a judgement.

In my first exchange with you today on this you managed to bring up Jeremy Corbyn. Who has absolutely nothing to do with anything. However it was clear from that point you are viewing this subject through an entirely political prism. From that point you conceded you have no genuine intenton to consider the merits of any complaint, or otherwise, simply because it's a Conservative Minister.

I guess I'm curious where would you draw the line for a Conservative Minister's conduct? What would you make the burden of proof?

And the same for a Labour minister I suppose.

Re: PM's adviser on ministerial code resigns over his advice on Priti Patel being ign
 

Enough !
Any more outbursts from the children, and you'll be sitting on the naughtly step.

Re: PM's adviser on ministerial code resigns over his advice on Priti Patel being ign
 

Hopefully 2 meters apart, and in groups of no more than 6 ;)

Re: PM's adviser on ministerial code resigns over his advice on Priti Patel being ign
 

The insight is in The Times today, we can wait till January to see if she's out of a job. Don't know why you're sticking up for her, she thinks you're lazy and wrote it in a book, not some British workers were lazy or a najority but all of us, although that said perhaps we should remember she was supremely competent and qualified to pocket one thousand pounds an hour from arms manufacturers, wonder if they got value for money

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The report's been languishing on BoJo's desk since March. It's been released now presumably because it's an opportune time to bury bad news as the country focuses on Covid and Christmas. I therefore doubt that she will lose her job, just her reputation.
One feature of BoJo is that he expects completely loyalty from his Ministers. In return he gives it back.

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Re: PM's adviser on ministerial code resigns over his advice on Priti Patel being ign
 

Not so much sticking up for her but willing to give the BoD, and only because I have first hand experience of Mrs Pierre’s experiences in a male dominated sector.

It may be mis-placed, we may or may not see.

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Oh so she said the words F****** Useless. But we don’t know why or at who or anything other than she said those words.

I’ve said those words at work many times.

Re: PM's adviser on ministerial code resigns over his advice on Priti Patel being ign
 

I have never told anyone in any of my teams that - that would be inappropriate and bullying.

Re: PM's adviser on ministerial code resigns over his advice on Priti Patel being ign
 

Worth noting that the majority of civil servants are female, 53.9%. This ranges from 45.2% female in some grades up to 57.2% in others. But doubtless the higher grades are the male-dominated ones. Based on this data, I wouldn't call it a male-dominated sector.

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...sion-dashboard

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Absolute whataboutery.

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https://www.gov.uk/government/organi...nt-secretaries

Plenty of women on the boards of various entities described under “our governance” on the Civil Service’s own website.

I’m sure if any of the women (or men) on that list referred to someone working for them as f- useless they’d find themselves falling below the standards required in their posts.

We don't all live by the standards of the building site.

Re: PM's adviser on ministerial code resigns over his advice on Priti Patel being ign
 

Inappropriate ? Quite possibly but "bullying" ? Nope.
You've been listening to too many snowflakes Hugh.

Not really.

Re: PM's adviser on ministerial code resigns over his advice on Priti Patel being ign
 

I think he meant sowhataboutery.;)

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I didn’t say I had, I said I had used those words - i didn’t say in what way I had used them. Much like what the times article said.

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While it might conform to the standards of other workplaces it's undoubtedly bullying/harassment in the Civil Service.

The fact it's a minister, of questionable competence according to whoever is briefing the Times this morning, is neither here nor there.