Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36044277)

So your "theoretically" is not based in reality?:rolleyes: I thought we were meant to be discussing something that is meant to have actually happened.

More than just theoretically, a lot of different people try to hack X, Y, Z. Just look at the number of phishing attempts. Doesn't mean state involvement. Still no evidence of anybody doing anything much more than putting forward a viewpoint.

It is when the Remain side try to prevent Brexit meetings or stifle comment that people should be worried about. Open free speech is dead and buried. Just look at "cancel culture". Every day people are being fired or forced to quit, just because they have the "wrong" non-approved opinions.
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With Brexit, it wasn't case of a 80% or even 60%, in favour of remaining, mysteriously turning into a Brexit win. The very reason for the referendum was that the 2 sides were close in numbers for a long time. Was Russia "interfering" for that "long time"?

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36044279)

I doubt the report's authors are going to reveal in extensive detail how they know these things, but why do you chose to take the Russian viewpoint over the UK?

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36044283)

I'm not taking Russia's or anybody else's viewpoint on this or anything else. You would have thought that they could easily explain an actual example of something that occurred. Whatever is supposed to have occurred must be publicly known, in that it's meant to have influenced the public. They don't necessarily need to say how they are supposed to know who was responsible. Remote telepathic mind control is just something from science fiction.

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36044287)

Powerful people can always get their names suppressed.

The fact the Govt. are dismissing this report already makes them complicit Russia's interference. Trouble is the Russians now have carte blanche to interfere where the Govt don't want.

What sanctions are we going to take ? Yet another country we can't/won't trade with ? We're now even a tinier fish in a massive sea, with no influence but weak to influence from others. Our World super power days are long gone, the only power we did have was that we were part of the largest trading bloc in the World, no more.

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36044289)

Wow aint you a sad advertisement for the EUSSR.

And on the subject of fish [tiny or otherwise] the Eu hasn't got any but we have an abundance, still let them eat cake eh.

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36044287)

Powerful people can always get their names suppressed.

The fact the Govt. are dismissing this report already makes them complicit Russia's interference. Trouble is the Russians now have carte blanche to interfere where the Govt don't want.

What sanctions are we going to take ? Yet another country we can't/won't trade with ? We're now even a tinier fish in a massive sea, with no influence but weak to influence from others. Our World super power days are long gone, the only power we did have was that we were part of the largest trading bloc in the World, no more.

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36044290)

Thing is, those those that wanted us out of the 'EUSSR' are quite happy the former USSR, to further weaken us by helping us to split from other nations. What might their motivation be?

(And I don't like fish....).

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36044293)

What has getting "names suppressed" got to do with it. All I'm asking for, is examples of the supposed actual actions of Mr X, Mr Y, Mr Z, etc. How can anybody be expected to investigate or comment on actions that nobody seems to be aware of.:confused: Eg If you've been burgled, you may not know who by, but you will see the disturbance and the missing items. If you went and said X burgled somebody, then it's not unreasonable to ask the when, where, and what in relation to it. If there is nothing missing and no signs of a disturbance, it's not unreasonable to say that the allegations against X are spurious and without foundation.

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36044306)

Everythig seems fishy to you Andrew.

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36044307)

except fish;)

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36044287)

Powerful people can always get their names suppressed.

The fact the Govt. are dismissing this report already makes them complicit Russia's interference. Trouble is the Russians now have carte blanche to interfere where the Govt don't want.

What sanctions are we going to take ? Yet another country we can't/won't trade with ? We're now even a tinier fish in a massive sea, with no influence but weak to influence from others. Our World super power days are long gone, the only power we did have was that we were part of the largest trading bloc in the World, no more.

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36044311)

I'm with Nomadking on this, I haven't seen or heard a single instance that shows any actual proof of anything by anyone.

Lots of whispering, gesticulating, nudge nudge, what if type of crap circulating on the social media platforms, farcebook and twitter banning lots of 'fake' accounts etc, but nothing that shows me a direct line to a Russian telling me how to vote.

I do recall lots of bumf from political parties telling me how I should vote, maybe they're all Russian backed?

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36044240)

And yet you have no issue with Obama helping your side with his threat, I will give you a clue, that was Foreign interference too!!!

There should have been no foreign interference by any country allied or not, yet your side wheeled him out and he stood there with his stupid threat, how many people did he influence to vote Remain???

It should never have been allowed, yet it was totally fine with your side.

Total hypocrites.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36044242)

What exactly is meant to have taken place? What unexplained things are meant to have been that noticeable? It's a case of "the bogeyman done it", "done what", "erm don't know, he just did".

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36044242)

There is zero evidence of anything having taken place, so getting into who was responsible, is more than a little bit premature.