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Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36030806)

Corbyn equivocates. It's just what he does. I don't think anything he has said can be construed as his hoping for a shadow cabinet job. Just that he is more or less incapable of making an unqualified statement about anything.

Maybe the people that make unequivocal statements are the ones you should be wary of. Granted, that covers most politicians.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

A convincing start to stamping out anti-semitism.

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Keir Starmer has been praised by Jewish leaders for achieving “in four days more than his predecessor in four years” after he held a video conference to set out steps Labour would be taking to stamp out antisemitism.
Starmer, who replaced Jeremy Corbyn as party leader on Saturday, told the meeting that he had asked for all outstanding investigations into antisemitism within the party to be “on my desk at the end of the week”.
Following the meeting with Starmer and his deputy, Angela Rayner, Marie van der Zyl, the president of the Board of British Jews, Jonathan Goldstein, chairman of the Jewish Leadership Council, Gerald Ronson, chairman of the Community Security Trust and Mike Katz, chairman of the Jewish Labour Movement, issued a joint statement praising the steps that Starmer proposes to take.
“While we would have fully understood the need to focus entirely on coronavirus at this time, Keir Starmer has already achieved in four days more than his predecessor in four years in addressing antisemitism within the Labour party,” they said.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...r-antisemitism

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36030827)

A convincing start to stamping out anti-semitism.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...r-antisemitism

He will probably find there is insufficient evidence - he is good at that. ;)

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

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Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36030828)

He will probably find there is insufficient evidence - he is good at that. ;)

Boris made the Tories electable with a big majority by getting rid of the remainers in the party.

Starmer may look at getting Labour electable by getting rid of the anti semites.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

Correlation is not causation

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36030835)

Correlation is not causation

You like big words.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36030804)

His desire to be in the Shadow Cabinet it might have been but there was absolutely zero chance of Labour's new leader ever taking a blind bit of notice of it as there was never the faintest hope of it ever happening.

If Long-Bailey had won the leadership vote - then maybe.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

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Originally Posted by Angua (Post 36030843)

If Long-Bailey had won the leadership vote - then maybe.

Starmer was a shoo-in to be perfectly honest once Corbyn quit as the bookies had him at 9/1 on 2 months ago to become the next Labour leader and the bookies are rarely wrong..

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36030837)

You like big words.

I like all size of words - I am a lifelong logophile. :)

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36030844)

Starmer was a shoo-in to be perfectly honest once Corbyn quit as the bookies had him at 9/1 on 2 months ago to become the next Labour leader and the bookies are rarely wrong..

There are a lot labour members that joined Labour on the back of Corbyn's and McDonnell's Marxist ticket. There is also the big shadow of momentum although rejected by the electorate still loved by the party, and then there are the MPs and shadow cabinet members that thought their manifesto was a work of brilliance loved by voters but just not voted for.

Starmer has to somehow appease them and convince the electorate that they are moving towards the centre. it'll be interesting.

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

Okay! Can anyone point to a particular reliable source as to the antisemitism in the Labour Party?

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36030854)

Okay! Can anyone point to a particular reliable source as to the antisemitism in the Labour Party?

The Israeli Government?

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36030854)

Okay! Can anyone point to a particular reliable source as to the antisemitism in the Labour Party?

The Labour Party?

https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/upl...tisemitism.pdf

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To confront antisemitism in wider society, we must face up to the unsettling truth that a small number of Labour members hold antisemitic views and a much larger number don’t recognise antisemitic stereotypes and conspiracy theories.

The evidence is clear enough. The worst cases of antisemitism in our party have included Holocaust denial, crude Jewish-banker stereotypes, conspiracy theories blaming Israel for 9/11 or every war on the Rothschild family, and even one member who appeared to believe that Hitler had been misunderstood.

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Labour exists to promote the social liberation of all people. That’s why we are launching a programme to educate our members and empower them to confront oppression, wherever it arises.

Our first materials will be on antisemitism, recognising that anti- Jewish bigotry has reared its head within our movement.

https://labour.org.uk/no-place-for-antisemitism/

to engage with this material and find links to other resources, so that together, we can stand in solidarity with our Jewish brothers and sisters and ensure there is no place for antisemitism in our society, with further materials to be produced on other forms of oppression.

The Equality and Human Rights Commission?

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/...n-labour-party

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We contacted the Labour Party after receiving a number of complaints about allegations of antisemitism in the party.

We have carefully considered the response we have received from the Party and have opened a formal investigation.

We are using our powers under the Equality Act to open an investigation, which will look at:

- whether unlawful acts have been committed by the Party or its employees or agents
- the steps taken by the Party to implement the recommendations made in the reports on antisemitism by Baroness Royall, the Home Affairs Select Committee and in the Chakrabarti Report
- whether the Rule Book and the Party’s investigatory and disciplinary processes have enabled or could enable it to deal efficiently and effectively with complaints of race or religion or belief discrimination and racial harassment or victimisation, including whether appropriate sanctions have been or could be applied
- whether the Party has responded to complaints of unlawful acts in a lawful, efficient and effective manner

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36030854)

Okay! Can anyone point to a particular reliable source as to the antisemitism in the Labour Party?

I don't know (or care) about the people involved, but my opinion is that there are people who spend much of their time trawling through legal documents, written papers, social media etc with the intention of finding something to complain about.

Political Correctness . . get a life you weirdos :D

Re: Sir Keir Starmer elected as new Labour leader

For one Andrew l don't think there is a power vacuum unless the media invent one and two should this not be in another thread.